Published: Friday, June 27 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
Half truths make a pretty good case when they reinforce what you want to
believe.President Obama only had to emphasize bringing the troops
home -- on Bush's schedule -- because War Crazy McCain and Palin wanted to
keep trying to win in Iraq.After all, we lost the heart out of our
own economy and many thousands of lives trying to prove that we could change in
a year or two, people who had 5000 years of grievances, tribalism, and wars.I missed the DN article telling the people of Utah that Haliburton, Dick
Cheney's company, took in $39 billion dollars from those oil wars.
In my view Mr. Obama is making the best of the current situation. There are many
options available, but the only one that would satisfy most Republicans is more
" rather than allow Obama to accept any blame for our withdrawal."You would do well to educate yourself Mr. Phillips. President Obama did
campaign on a promise to bring the troops home because the status of forces
agreement wasn't signed until December of 2008, a month after he was
elected President. Then he simply followed what Bush had outlined. The whole idea that withdrawal was a mistake is the height of hubris and
ignorance of the uninformed. In fact even some of the most ardent war
supporters are now going woops. Remember the week long chalk board
lecture by Glenn Beck on why the war and our efforts were not only correct but
righteous because of the world wide caliphate? Now even he knows you can't
create artificial countries out of tribes that have been at war for centuries
and then say and by the way just govern yourself like we do.
Democrats authorized the use of force based upon the evidence presented to them.
We later found out that evidence was manipulated and distorted by the Bush
administation. Also, let us not forget even though Congress authorized the use
of force it was Bush/Chenney that decided to use it. Most of the world and many
here in the country preached for patience and to let the UN inspectors finish
their work. Bush/Chenney did not want that and rushed us into a war, killing
and maiming hundreds of thousands. No matter how hard conservatives try to
rewrite history the facts are still there for all to see.
Democrats made a mistake supporting the war. They don't have to repeat it.
If you want more military action, follow the guidelines set forth in the
Constitution.Write your congressman and urge them for a declaration
of war. It is their decision whether or not we commit troops; it is the
President's job then to lead the military, AFTER Congress has done
"The withdrawal will take place in two stages. The first stage will occur
next year, when Iraqi forces assume the lead for security operations in all
major population centers, while U.S. combat forces move out of Iraqi cities and
move into an overwatch role. After this transition has occurred, the drawdown of
American forces will continue to the second stage, with all U.S. forces
returning home from Iraq by the end of 2011."President George W
Bush in a radio address on December 6, 2008
Maybe... just maybe, the case for Iraq wasn't just WMDs (as some people
pretend).Even IF we KNEW there were no WMDs (which we
didn't).... People inside Iraq were telling us they had them. Saddam said
he had them (was threatening to use them during Operation Desert Storm). His
top officials thought they had them. The UN inspectors were there to inspect
the facilities where they were making them (but were kicked out). We kinda had
to play it safe and take them at their word, and assume they had some weapons.
Heck... they had used them on the Kurds!...But regardless of
WMDs.... We still had a strong case for confronting Hussein. #1. On his
funding and encouraging terrorism, 2. mass murdering his own people, 3.
encouraging anti-American groups in the middle-east, 4. His plot to kill our
President, 5. His brutality to Kurds and Shiites in his country. It was MANY
factors (NOT JUST WMD).The current regime in Iraq makes the same
mistake as Hussain... Google "How were the Shias treated under
Saddam"... (no role in government, killed, their churches destroyed, their
people oppressed). We're right back where we started...
Herriman -- That would Jason Chaffetz.Rather than pull
the same old, same old typical GOP response, and write endless letters and
radio talk shows compalining about the black Democrat in the WhioteHouse who was
elected there TWICE, day after day...Tell Jason Chaffetz your
concern.He is the only one Constitutionally authorized for you to
declare War.As a Military Veteran who's actually had the
courage to put skin in the game -- President Obama is doing the RIGHT
thing.If Iraq attacks us, then call me.
The right never seems to let an opportunity pass to criticize the President, do
they?It's almost like they're cheerleading for more
destruction and death to occur in Iraq, just to blame Obama.I have
an idea, if you really feel like Iraq is worth fighting for, sign up. Ryan, you
nearest army recruiting center is:U.S. Army Recruiting Station9045 S 1510 W, West Jordan, UTSee ya there!
The Iraqi war was started by the Oil men of Texas for their business reasons.
After completing the mission for the oil men, and murdering the one leader that
seemed to know how govern the people of Iraq, the Americans thought they could
just step aside and natural events would make a democratic and peaceful Iraq.
The defenseless Iraqi people were now put at the mercy of unscrupulous American
businessmen who turned the Iraqi war in to a perpetual money cow. After a dozen
years or so, the profitability of the Iraqi war was exhausted and the American
forces were withdrawn.
Re: "The intelligence on WMDs in Iraq ultimately proved faulty . . .
."No, it didn't.Saddam possessed and used
weapons of mass destruction. He transferred some to Syria, and some of those are
being destroyed today [though Obama allowed Syria to maintain a significant
chemical weapons capability]. He was actively, though fecklessly, working on
obtaining nuclear weapons, threatening his enemies with them, and bragging about
them to his friends. Though he thought he had more time than he really did to
obtain those weapons, he was determined to use them against any threats to his
vicious regime or its expansionist, modern-Caliphate objectives, including his
neighbors and us.Our intelligence [and that of every other nation
with an intelligence service] was faulty only to the extent it ascribed to
Saddam less corruption, more ability and effectiveness than turned out to be the
case.Obama knows that every scary motive that determined
Saddam's actions also applies to ISIS. He knows we will eventually be
engaged in a difficult, existential fight with ISIS, or some other demonic group
on the Islamist fringe.He just refuses to address the issue.
@ 2 bitsHogwash. Syria didn't get WMDs from Iraq. They got them
from Russia. Everyone knows that except for the staunchest Bush apologists and
Iraqi war supporters (which you are one of). Just how many times must you folks
be proven wrong?Saddam didn't have WMDs. His WMDs programs had
been destroyed for nearly 2 decades before we invaded Iraq. He knew that
actually having these programs would risk further action from the UN. However,
he did want to lead others to believe that he indeed had WMDs. Why? Because look
at his neighbor next door. If he could lead Iran to believe that he still had
WMDs, they wouldn't mess with him. Hence, why studying history
and seeing things from other perspectives (not just the American one) becomes so
important. Unfortunately, repubs hate anything foreign these days. Just look at
Ann Coulter's comments against soccer!
@Maverick,Never said Syria got WMDs from Iraq... did I? Read my
post.If you KNEW his weapons had already been destroyed... you knew
more than the UN and their inspectors. Otherwise... why all the UN resolutions
insisting Iraq dispose of it's WMDs and allow inspectors to verify it??I mean we know a lot of things NOW... that we didn't know FOR SURE
then. But you can't pretend we should have made decisions on
stuff we know now... that we didn't know for sure then (and couldn't
find out for sure because Hussein kicked out the inspectors).==========I wish we hadn't done anything militarily in Iraq
as well... but we don't know what WOULD have happened in the middle-east IF
we had done nothing.I seriously think the middle-east would be even
WORSE off IF Saddam Hussein was still in power and doing what he was doing.We may have had a world war (started in the middle-east) if we had done
nothing and let Saddam Hussein do his thing. We will never know.
Lives are at stake. Those who tell us that Obama is correct need to review
history. When Ted Kennedy told us to get out of Vietnam, 400,000 people were
killed after we withdrew. This who have no regard for life will always put a
dollar figure on military support. They will tell us that only their life is
important; that the life of the citizens of Iraq are not important, even though
we promised those people that we would protect them against those who wanted to
kill them.Mr. Obama has a duty to those people because HE removed
the troops that protected them.
@Mike RichardsYou strike me as a strict constitutionalist...So
before the President were to send in troops and jeopardize more lives,
shouldn't Congress issue a Declaration of War as per Section 8 of Article
I?Wouldn't it be more prudent to urge Congress to action rather
than the Executive to overstep the bounds set in the Constitution?
Mr. Phillips,Your extremely biased perceptions mirror those of
Right Wing propagandist who try to influence public opinion by broadcasting
half-truths and outright lies. Apparently these propagandists are really good at
their jobs, or perhaps a certain segment of society does not really want to know
or admit the truth.The premise of your anti-Obama spiel is faulty and
typical of the Right Wing mindset.“ . . . but democrats
supported the war at the time . . .” Yes, but you forgot to mention that
Democrats supported the war ONLY because they believed the falsehoods
perpetrated by the Republican GW Bush administration. In other words, the
biggest mistake the Democrats made was to believe Republicans. Fortunately, we
learn from our mistakes.Blaming Obama for Iraq is preposterous on
other levels as well. GW and the Republicans embroiled the nation in a
completely unnecessary war. GW signed the SOFA stipulating US forces would be
withdrawn by the end of 2011. The Iraqis insisted. Obama complied.Now, Republicans are implying that US forces should be stationed in the Middle
East in perpetuity like sitting ducks, perfect targets for terrorists. Face it, Republican “logic” is dangerous to this nation and the
Max,Congress approved the "war" with Iraq. Both Republicans
and Democrats voted to fund the war. It wasn't a formal declaration of
war, but it was a "de facto" declaration of war. The President did not
act without the consent of Congress (as required) and funding for the war (as
required) was legislated by Congress. Congress was consulted. Congress
approved. Congress allocated the funds. There was no move by the President to
circumvent Congress, unlike what Obama is doing now.
I'm sorry. I'm a conservative Republican, but I must come over to the
liberal side on this issue.No good can come from continuing
involvement in the middle east, militarily, or otherwise. They ARE tribal, and
will probably continue that trend for the next 5000 years. We have the sunnis,
shias, and kurds, then within those "tribes" are the various military
factions, (Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.) The ONLY reason they recognize borders at
all is due to world, and U.N. influences.I feel terrible that we
have lost so many American lives in the middle east, but continuing to send
troops there, ultimately, won't do much good.THEY need to
stabilize their countries - IF they have the desire, which I doubt.Can we CONTINUE being the worlds policeman?We have actual U.S. troops in
over 70 countries, (besides the Marines in embassies)where will it end?Our OWN citizens need help. Not to mention our southern border.
Too long to quote but Washington's Farewell Address had a lot to say about
avoiding foreign entanglements. The older I get, the more wisdom I find in our
first President's parting words.
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