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Published: Thursday, June 26 2014 3:15 p.m. MDT

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2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

#1. I don't think it mattered that he was a Mormon. He was just out of control. People get out of control (even non-mormons).

#2. It sounds like it wasn't one-sided. Why did the other guy get off free? Sounds like he kept it going. Even ending up on the hood of the old guys car after going in and cleaning up. You don't end up on the hood of somebody's car by accident. He MUST have confronted the guy a second time. I seriously doubt he drove into the building, or up on the sidewalk and caught the guy off guard and scooped him up on the hood of his car. Sounds like the guy confronted him again in the parking lot... kinda got what he was asking for (a fight).

IMO when you push somebody... you kinda get what you asked for (a fight). If the guy hadn't gone into the parking lot to start it up again and stood in front of the guy's car... nothing would have happened.

Another Perspective
Bountiful, UT

From a Tribune article on this I pictured this as one man trying to save 3 rows of seats in a crowded chapel which would be bad form if that is true. From this article I don't get a that picture. The only time I see saving seats as okay is if a family or friends are sitting fairly close together and one or more of them haven't arrived yet. It would be not good for someone else to go sit in between them uninvited.

BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

I somehow feel we, the faithful Des News readers, are missing the rest of the story This was a national news afterall. Did the Deseret News Staff interview the plaintiff and the defendant? I hope the SL Trib doesn't scoop the DN on this Human Interest story.

Left Field
Cocoa Beach, FL

In my father's house there are many mansions...no seat saving necessary.

Go West
Taylorsville, UT

Hmmm...my pet peeve is that the back row is packed, and everyone else just sits on the edges of the pews. That leaves the center completely empty and wasted space. The front row is mostly empty, but when you have little kids, you don't want them to have extra room to play. Mine would hang onto the front of the pulpit and do chin ups if given the chance. And I really don't like to climb over people to get to the empty space. If only people would leave one side of the middle benches open and fill up one bench before commencing to fill up another bench. It's more considerate and welcoming. Thank you.

Mchenry, IL

Bad scheduling. A blessing and it was a send off or homecoming at the same time. Does everyone need to be there? Do they need to be on the same day?


"Thou shalt not make a stink in thy pew." — I know I read that somewheres........

United Kingdom, 00

Well, we do believe in the laying on of hands.

El Chango Supremo
Rexburg, ID

This has got to be the best story ever!

Frank Fourth
New York, NY

2 bits, one way to end up on the hood of someone's car is to have the car driven into you.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

2 bits:

That was my assessment of the situation as well. It sounded to me like the guy that got assaulted both initiated the altercation, and tried to keep it going afterward.

Frank Fourth:

One good way to not end up on the hood of someone's car is to not stand in front of it when it's in motion.

Virginia Beach, Va

The whole seat saving thing is beyond silly. It should be first come first serve. No seat saving. I too think the plaintiff probably stirred things up.

Hey It's Me
Salt Lake City, UT

very clever bbj! Love the humor.


Problem: Can't find enough adequate seating.

Solution: Come early.

Ogden, UT

What would Jesus have done?

Would he have been saving seats in the first place?

Would he have gotten angry or confrontational in the second place?

Would he have resorted to fisticuffs in the third place?

Would he have tried to keep him from leaving in the fourth place by blocking his car till the police arrived?

Would he have pressed charges in the fifth place?

(Are they both taking fifth place in a two man race?)

Or would he have hugged the man, invited him to sit with his family, and enjoyed the spirit of the occasion and taught a wonderful lesson in kindness and compassion?

Go, therefore, and do likewise.

St.George, Utah

A fight?
Over seats?
Ok, maybe at an expensive concert?
At Church?
Questionable behavior?
Best method to meet and greet investigators or new converts who may have been attending that day?

Sore loser
tampa, fl

This is another instance where people just make up the rules as they go along. Pres Kimball's Teachings of the Presidents of the Church manual states that you come early, move to the front, listen to the prelude music and prepare to take the Sacrament.

I doubt there is a Church policy for saving seats. If you want to sit together, get to Church early together.

Is it possible that Sacrament Mtg is sometimes like an episode of "Who's Got Talent" instead of an effort to remember the baptism promises made at baptism?

More than likely if the bishopric of this ward was on top of their game, they would have been seated in their places on the stand, would have seen the issue, and would have performed an intervention, issues resolved.

But no one cares, people just do what they want.

Bill Fitz

Imperfect latter day saints, uh oh the antis will have a field day with this one

Provo, UT

Sounds like the visitors sat is his regular spot. That can be a little (unreasonably) annoying, but this reaction was over the top to say the least. It'a a church, men, it's not a sporting event or a concert.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Would have been better if someone had:

Turned the other check,
given the seats, their coat and the cloak,
blessed and prayed for those who mis-use you.

On the other hand --
This one will go down as a Sunday School, Seminary and FHE example for the ages...

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