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Published: Thursday, June 26 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

Updated: Wednesday, June 25 2014 10:34 p.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

In the meantime Dan there are many thousands of Utahns lacking health coverage who can't get it until Utah makes up its mind. Some are very much in harm's way. What should they do? Shall we write them off?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Imagine if we had invested $2 trillion in the health care of our own people rather than flush it down a toilet in the Middle East?

Where are these fiscal concerns when I tune into Fox news and hear literally every repub commentator saying that we should become more involved in the Ukraine and Iraq?

How can we have trillions to waste in defense spending, nation building, oil incentives, tax cut handouts for the rich, and bank bailouts but not enough money for health care?

Why can't we join the rest of the industrialized world and just get a single payer system? Would it really be so bad?

And why doesn't this "Christian nation" care that people are literally dying for lack or health care? It seems to me that making money is more important than getting people the health care that they need. Gay marriage won't ruin this country. Endless greed which leads to people dying for lack of health care will.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Marxist. In the meantime there are millions of people who LOST their healthcare coverage and are now FORCED to pay higher premiums, massive co-pays and $5,000 deductibles BECAUSE of Obamacare! What should they do? Shall we write them off? More people have been harmed than helped by the government meddling in our healthcare! And then there is the disgusting government run Veteran's healthcare for all to see! How many more disasters have to happen before you and others admit the government is incapable of running our healthcare?

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

Why should government have to create incentives for businesses?

If businesses are struggling to adapt to Obamacare then maybe the CEOs should take fewer profits? I know that means that they maybe have to go with a lesser yacht, you know, go for the 500 footer rather than the 600 footer.

If businesses can't make it on their own, then why can't churches end charities help them out? Why should my hard earned money go to some business that's too lazy to make it on it's own? Remember, you can give a man a fish or teach him how to fish.

Churches and charities can bail out businesses until they figure out how to be profitable. Government shouldn't be involved. All business incentives are just handouts and socialism. It prevents businesses from being self sufficient and independent.

Henderson
Orem, UT

@ Marxist

I agree, besides, when people flood the ER or cannot work because of sickness, or go bankrupt, who is actually paying for them? Their bills don't just evaporate. Either they pay for it or we do. Might as well get them health care if we're going to pay for them.

@ Freedom Fighter

Haha! Absolutely agree! Businesses are people, right? So if they can't make it then have them rely on churches and charities!

@ Mav

Post of the year. You just highlighted why the GOP is so unpopular these days.

Here's my question for Dan and the rest of the commentators, what's your solution? Tort reform and selling across state lines doesn't go nearly far enough. So what's your solution? Obamacare used to be your solution... Until he proposed it... So what's your solution? My momma always taught me that you shouldn't complain when you don't have a better alternative.

Anyone can complain. Very few can actually propose resolutions. This is so true in the case of today's dysfunctional GOP.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

"Obamacare employer incentives could drive up Medicaid expansion costs"

It "could" huh? And you could be struck by lightning while commenting on this web site.

Is either of them likely?

No, not at all. But they "could" happen.

Thanks for pointing that out Dan.

BTW, Republican Politicians "could," hypothetically speaking, actually try to help this nation and its citizens instead of endlessly complaining about trivial nonsense and inventing fake scandals.

But is that likely to happen in the near future?

I doubt it.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Dan, I predict otherwise. Big employers will never drop insurance: They get too good a deal for it, with huge group discounts plus the tax breaks. Small businesses will benefit from the ACA tax credits and offer insurance where they never could before. Mid-size businesses will find their own balance. Out on my limb, I predict prices remain stable, particularly as the vast boomer population goes on Medicare. You're not paying attention to the segmentation in the industry, and I suspect you're listening to your ideology rather than your good sense.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

And the GOP "could" win the Whitehouse with some ideas,

and the Tea-Party "could" gain more support if they didn't throw the poor, sick and the needy under the bus -- but can afford 2 Middle Eastern wars without raising taxes,

and Dan Liljenquist "could" win the nomination if he wouldn't be so Tea Party extremme.

Cato the Elder
Salt Lake City, Utah

Rather than rely on chicken little predictions, why not look at the real world of states that have already expanded. There is no evidence of this apocalyptic vision of private insurance collapse in those expansion states. In fact, the uninsured rates have fallen significantly.

techpubs
Sioux City, IA

So there are several comments about more people having Health Insurance under the PPACA (Obamacare). But there is a large difference between having Insurance and having "affordable" Health Care. Even when you only pay $600/yr for coverage with other taxpayers picking up the other $5400/yr you still have a $5,000 deductible to be met. You may be making $9.25/hr on a 40hr week and the Ins cost plus Deductible is 1/3 of your take-home pay. Rent will eat another 1/3 of your check leaving you with $108/wk for utilities, transportation, clothing, and food as well as any miscellaneous spending. You will need at least $11.35/hr for the above to work and you won't be living high on the hog.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

techpubs
Sioux City, IA

Even when you only pay $600/yr for coverage with other taxpayers picking up the other $5400/yr you still have a $5,000 deductible to be met.

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Which means you and your family avoid a medical bankruptcy --
Which is the primary driver behind the ACA.

and
the even bigger National Economic problem is fixed.

Obama - 1
GOP - 0

louie
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Without specific information, too much conjecture will only persuade impressionable. people. Here are some facts. In Utah and according to the Utah Department of Insurance, insurance rates have generally stayed fairly stable over the last two years and the projections for 2015 are not for significant increases. In addition health care costs are going up but not the rates experienced a few years ago. What does that tell you?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Obamacare will save us money (Barack Obama)

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Single payer is the answer. Get the monkey right out of the workplace.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Patriot -

"Obamacare will save us money (Barack Obama)"

And he is absolutely right . . . Again.

Get used to it.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

@ patriot

It does.

If we were to repeal it billions more would be thrown onto our debt. Obamacare has already cut our debt. Of course, these ill details escape repubs who value party and ideology over the good of the country.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Conservatives were wrong on Obamacare, Medicare, Social Security, Endangered Species Act, Equal Rights, SSM, Iraq and the list goes on. When you look at the last 100 years it has been progressives that have led this country and been right on the issues of the day.
Conservatives continue to wash down all that crow with their own brand of kool-aid.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

patriot " More people have been harmed than helped by the government meddling in our healthcare! And then there is the disgusting government run Veteran's healthcare for all to see! How many more disasters have to happen before you and others admit the government is incapable of running our healthcare"

You are absolutely wrong in all your above comments. Those that have been helped by the ACA far, far, far, out weigh any who now pay more. Even those who pay more have better coverage so there's an argument to make that even they are better off.

Disgusting Veterans health care. That is not just wrong but a shameful description. The VA has problems with access in some places and records but the healthcare veterans receive is outstanding. Let me say it again outstanding. Government run healthcare for veterans is outstanding.

Paul Timothy Gibbs
Taylorsville, UT

With all due respect to former Senator Liljenquist, people are not "frustrated" by the pace of Medicaid expansion. People are dying because of the pace of Medicaid expansion.

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