In the meantime Dan there are many thousands of Utahns lacking health coverage
who can't get it until Utah makes up its mind. Some are very much in
harm's way. What should they do? Shall we write them off?
Imagine if we had invested $2 trillion in the health care of our own people
rather than flush it down a toilet in the Middle East?Where are
these fiscal concerns when I tune into Fox news and hear literally every repub
commentator saying that we should become more involved in the Ukraine and
Iraq?How can we have trillions to waste in defense spending, nation
building, oil incentives, tax cut handouts for the rich, and bank bailouts but
not enough money for health care?Why can't we join the rest of
the industrialized world and just get a single payer system? Would it really be
so bad? And why doesn't this "Christian nation" care
that people are literally dying for lack or health care? It seems to me that
making money is more important than getting people the health care that they
need. Gay marriage won't ruin this country. Endless greed which leads to
people dying for lack of health care will.
Marxist. In the meantime there are millions of people who LOST their healthcare
coverage and are now FORCED to pay higher premiums, massive co-pays and $5,000
deductibles BECAUSE of Obamacare! What should they do? Shall we write them off?
More people have been harmed than helped by the government meddling in our
healthcare! And then there is the disgusting government run Veteran's
healthcare for all to see! How many more disasters have to happen before you and
others admit the government is incapable of running our healthcare?
Why should government have to create incentives for businesses?If
businesses are struggling to adapt to Obamacare then maybe the CEOs should take
fewer profits? I know that means that they maybe have to go with a lesser yacht,
you know, go for the 500 footer rather than the 600 footer. If
businesses can't make it on their own, then why can't churches end
charities help them out? Why should my hard earned money go to some business
that's too lazy to make it on it's own? Remember, you can give a man a
fish or teach him how to fish.Churches and charities can bail out
businesses until they figure out how to be profitable. Government shouldn't
be involved. All business incentives are just handouts and socialism. It
prevents businesses from being self sufficient and independent.
@ Marxist I agree, besides, when people flood the ER or cannot work
because of sickness, or go bankrupt, who is actually paying for them? Their
bills don't just evaporate. Either they pay for it or we do. Might as well
get them health care if we're going to pay for them.@ Freedom
FighterHaha! Absolutely agree! Businesses are people, right? So if
they can't make it then have them rely on churches and charities!@ MavPost of the year. You just highlighted why the GOP is so
unpopular these days.Here's my question for Dan and the rest of
the commentators, what's your solution? Tort reform and selling across
state lines doesn't go nearly far enough. So what's your solution?
Obamacare used to be your solution... Until he proposed it... So what's
your solution? My momma always taught me that you shouldn't complain when
you don't have a better alternative. Anyone can complain. Very
few can actually propose resolutions. This is so true in the case of
today's dysfunctional GOP.
"Obamacare employer incentives could drive up Medicaid expansion
costs"It "could" huh? And you could be struck by
lightning while commenting on this web site.Is either of them
likely?No, not at all. But they "could" happen.Thanks for pointing that out Dan.BTW, Republican Politicians
"could," hypothetically speaking, actually try to help this nation and
its citizens instead of endlessly complaining about trivial nonsense and
inventing fake scandals.But is that likely to happen in the near
future?I doubt it.
Dan, I predict otherwise. Big employers will never drop insurance: They get too
good a deal for it, with huge group discounts plus the tax breaks. Small
businesses will benefit from the ACA tax credits and offer insurance where they
never could before. Mid-size businesses will find their own balance. Out on my
limb, I predict prices remain stable, particularly as the vast boomer population
goes on Medicare. You're not paying attention to the segmentation in the
industry, and I suspect you're listening to your ideology rather than your
And the GOP "could" win the Whitehouse with some ideas, and
the Tea-Party "could" gain more support if they didn't throw the
poor, sick and the needy under the bus -- but can afford 2 Middle Eastern wars
without raising taxes, and Dan Liljenquist "could" win the
nomination if he wouldn't be so Tea Party extremme.
Rather than rely on chicken little predictions, why not look at the real world
of states that have already expanded. There is no evidence of this apocalyptic
vision of private insurance collapse in those expansion states. In fact, the
uninsured rates have fallen significantly.
So there are several comments about more people having Health Insurance under
the PPACA (Obamacare). But there is a large difference between having Insurance
and having "affordable" Health Care. Even when you only pay $600/yr for
coverage with other taxpayers picking up the other $5400/yr you still have a
$5,000 deductible to be met. You may be making $9.25/hr on a 40hr week and the
Ins cost plus Deductible is 1/3 of your take-home pay. Rent will eat another 1/3
of your check leaving you with $108/wk for utilities, transportation, clothing,
and food as well as any miscellaneous spending. You will need at least $11.35/hr
for the above to work and you won't be living high on the hog.
techpubsSioux City, IAEven when you only pay $600/yr for
coverage with other taxpayers picking up the other $5400/yr you still have a
$5,000 deductible to be met. ======= Which means you and
your family avoid a medical bankruptcy -- Which is the primary driver
behind the ACA.andthe even bigger National Economic problem is
fixed.Obama - 1GOP - 0
Without specific information, too much conjecture will only persuade
impressionable. people. Here are some facts. In Utah and according to the Utah
Department of Insurance, insurance rates have generally stayed fairly stable
over the last two years and the projections for 2015 are not for significant
increases. In addition health care costs are going up but not the rates
experienced a few years ago. What does that tell you?
Obamacare will save us money (Barack Obama)
Single payer is the answer. Get the monkey right out of the workplace.
Patriot -"Obamacare will save us money (Barack Obama)"And he is absolutely right . . . Again.Get used to it.
@ patriotIt does.If we were to repeal it billions more
would be thrown onto our debt. Obamacare has already cut our debt. Of course,
these ill details escape repubs who value party and ideology over the good of
Conservatives were wrong on Obamacare, Medicare, Social Security, Endangered
Species Act, Equal Rights, SSM, Iraq and the list goes on. When you look at the
last 100 years it has been progressives that have led this country and been
right on the issues of the day. Conservatives continue to wash down all
that crow with their own brand of kool-aid.
patriot " More people have been harmed than helped by the government
meddling in our healthcare! And then there is the disgusting government run
Veteran's healthcare for all to see! How many more disasters have to happen
before you and others admit the government is incapable of running our
healthcare"You are absolutely wrong in all your above comments.
Those that have been helped by the ACA far, far, far, out weigh any who now pay
more. Even those who pay more have better coverage so there's an argument
to make that even they are better off.Disgusting Veterans health
care. That is not just wrong but a shameful description. The VA has problems
with access in some places and records but the healthcare veterans receive is
outstanding. Let me say it again outstanding. Government run healthcare for
veterans is outstanding.
With all due respect to former Senator Liljenquist, people are not
"frustrated" by the pace of Medicaid expansion. People are dying because
of the pace of Medicaid expansion.