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Published: Wednesday, June 25 2014 4:21 p.m. MDT

Updated: Wednesday, June 25 2014 4:21 p.m. MDT

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zmillion2
West Jordan, UT

Marriage is a religious institution, always has been and always will be. I'm surprised that atheist's and same sex couples would even want to take part in a ceremony that is so religious. When religion as a whole is against everything they stand for. I guess people will do whatever it takes to make something religious into something worldly.

Eagle78
Salt Lake City, UT

@zmillion2

Are homosexual people not allowed to believe in God? Are they not allowed to have faith? This is where religion as a whole has caused such a global mess. There really isn't any respect for anyone else's beliefs. If someone doesn't believe exactly what you do then their beliefs are just misguided mumbo jumbo.

Believe it or not a person can be gay, and also believe that God doesn't hate them for that. In fact that he loves them just the same and wants them to be happy. Someone can believe in a greater power and believe that that greater power doesn't concern himself with the petty bigotries of man. Someone being different isn't scary, or gross to the creator of the universe. People should stop projecting their own insecurities onto God.

ExTBird
Springville, US-UT

It makes sense why God seems to always share his followers prejudices and concerns. They invented him. I really just can't see a being so all powerful that he created quite literally everything having a panic attack because some people of the same gender want to have a ceremony in front of their friends and families.

Depending on who you ask though this is apparently the beginning of the end for mankind. Didn't really take much did it? :(

Josh McCray
Salk Lake City, UT

I agree Pastors should not be forced to perform ceremonies they do not wish to perform and they already have the right to decline performing any ceremony they don't wish to perform.

It is however the responsibility of our judicial system to protect the rights of ALL American citizens under the constitution EVEN IF state legislation would limit those rights. This is a lesson learned from our past.

21MOM
Keaau, HI

"All who have ever written on government are unanimous, that among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist." ~Edmund Burke

21MOM
Keaau, HI

"But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint." ~Edmund Burke

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ RedWings

The church will not forced to change anything. The First Amendment isn't going anywhere. Same-sex couples will be allowed to get married, but that does not mean they will be able to do so in the temple.

DaveChiu
Provo, UT

FatherofFour was inaccurate to claim that the Church forbade inter-racial marriage even after 1964... I was born in '64, and my parents were married 2+ years earlier in the LA temple -- it was OK w/ the Church for them to be married despite being against the law in Utah where they met.

I love my friends who feel otherwise
... this is where I stand --

all people have an equal opportunity to marry
if the following verifiable conditions
(among others) are met:

sufficient age
not too closely related
not currently married
consenting
opposite gender

if Love is now presumed as the over-riding factor,
then how will society rationally decline to accept
pre-teen, sibling, polygamous, stalker, etc unions?

I know and deeply feel what actual discrimination
regarding marriage looks like (Utah etc's formerly
racial marriage laws), and the cause celebre aint it

DaveChiu
Provo, UT

It is clear that this bad decision will be leveraged into demands for non-traditional marriages to be granted wherever they are demanded (especially in LDS temples), just as has been seen in other countries and w/ the wedding cake baker and photographer cases here in America.

Those who claim redefining marriage will not trample on others' beliefs have a little problem:

the actions of their side, and obvious intentions to abuse the special privilege they are gaining, shout far more loudly than their insincere reassurances.

Those who claim things will be just as hunky-dory as they say fail to establish that once such a monumental redefinition is imposed, what is to stop all kinds of other redefinition?

Surfs Up
Huntington Beach, CA

I know that people don't like to talk about the children. But it really is children who ultimately suffer because of this ruling. They deserve the ying and the yang that nature offers. The mom and the dad. I know that death happens, divorce happens but then at least a child has a thought of a mom or a dad. With same sex marriage a child could be trapped with two moms or two dads... So sad!!

TimBehrend
Auckland NZ, 00

zmillion2: "Marriage is a religious institution, always has been and always will be."

Marriage is, in fact, a social institution that is governed by civil law. Religions receive the authority to marry their members from the state, as long as state regulations are followed and a state licence has been issued. Your understanding is opposite to the plain facts.

Dixie Dan
Saint George, UT

If the Supreme Court legalizes gay marriages, will a local Bishop be allowed to perform the marriage in Utah? Can a legally gay couple hold their wedding reception in a local Cultural Hall of the chapel they attend regularly? Can they be sealed in the temple sometime in the future?

Geckojudo
Billings, MT

We are in the world, but not of the world. There will be consequences for all actions. Just because "everybody's doing it" does not make it right. Stick to your standards. The Final Judgement by Christ the Lord will be your reward for doing so.

Aggie5
Kuna, ID

And the grey lines continue to flow. But my church stands strong. Love the sinner, not the sin.

bobdc6
park city, UT

Marriage is a contract between two people as defined by state law, and as such, subject to the equal protection clause of the Constitution. This law is a creature of the state, not of any church or anyone else. Proof of this fact is that only the state can break the marriage contract, a dissolution of marriage, or the granting of a divorce. That the state grants some individuals the authority to preform marriages within the confines of state law, it doesn't give them the authority to rewrite that law, and doesn't require them to marry anyone at all if they don't want to. Any appeal of established law concerning marriage is a waste of taxpayer money.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The constitution of the United States prevails over attempt to put religion into Utah constitution.

kolob1
sandy, UT

" Having heard and carefully considered the argument of the litigants, we conclude
that, consistent with the United States Constitution, the State of Utah may not do so. We
hold that the Fourteenth Amendment protects the fundamental right to marry, establish a
family, raise children, and enjoy the full protection of a state’s marital laws. A state may
not deny the issuance of a marriage license to two persons, or refuse to recognize their
marriage, based solely upon the sex of the persons in the marriage union. For the reasons
stated in this opinion, we affirm. "
Take heed and read " the Fourteenth Amendment protects the fundamental right to marry, establish a
family, raise children, and enjoy the full protection of a state’s marital laws." Establish a family, raise children and enjoy the Full protection (ADOPTION) of a state's marital laws" Right on!

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ DaveChu: Please provide the details of one church anywhere being forced to perform a same-sex wedding ceremony against their religious teachings.

As for the baker and the photographer, those weren't about same-sex marriage, they were about anti-discrimination laws. As a matter of fact, Colorado, where the baker case was, does not currently allow same-sex marriage.

I find it very interesting that in a discussion where so many accuse same-sex couples of wanting special rights, so many (sometimes even the same people) think Christians should be given the special right of ignoring laws they find inconvenient. While making the claim that same-sex couples should not have access to the right and privileges of marriage they are also claiming that Christians should have a right to refuse to follow business laws requiring equal treatment of all customers.

Visitor from California
Berkeley, CA

Please bear in mind that many religious denominations already sanction and bless same-sex unions. This country was founded on the basis of religious freedom. One religion (LDS) doesn't get to dictate to those with different beliefs what rights they are entitled to by the government. No religion will be forced by this ruling to go against its teachings. Beware of trying to impose your own views through the force of government! Remember the sad history of persecution because of your beliefs, and keep in mind that the Church of LDS is still a minority religion and does well to defend the principle of religious freedom and keeping church and state separate. Whatever your views, we are better served by keeping religious doctrine out of government.

Ranch
Here, UT

@Michigander;

You can stand next to me when God starts throwing around his meteorites and brimstone bolts. They'll all hit me and you will be safe. I'll protect you; you don't have to be afraid.

@Missouri loves BYU;

We haven't been placed in bondage, but we've been persecuted, murdered, hounded and hated. You can look up the origin of the word 'F...' commonly used to reference LGBT people. How would you like to have treated accordingly? It certainly has parallels to the travails of people of color.

@Kaladin;

You would do better to "protect the sanctity of marriage" from those who abuse it rather than deny it to those who cherish it.

@RedWings;

"It is really disturbing to me that you would advocate discrimination based on religion."

Right back atcha.

@Eagle78;

Thank you. Your comments help obviate the pain caused by so many other comments.

@Dad;

Being gay is not "misbehaving" nor is it "mentally ill" nor "temptation".

@ExTBird;

Apparently we're also the cause of global warming.

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