Comments about ‘LDS Church issues statement regarding overturned Utah marriage amendment’

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Published: Wednesday, June 25 2014 4:21 p.m. MDT

Updated: Wednesday, June 25 2014 4:21 p.m. MDT

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Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I believe that the Supreme Court will ultimately uphold today's court decision. I also believe that the people of Utah will act generously toward their LGBT neighbors and friends just as they did a generation ago during the Civil Rights Era.

Spangs
Salt Lake City, UT

When the Supreme Court upholds the multiple appellate rulings in favor of gay marriage, thousands of gay people across the country will become married in the eyes of the state. The impact of thousands of gay civil marriages upon the LDS Church will sum up to exactly nil.

Gay people will still be gay and the aged Mormon leadership will still be against gay relationships. Luckily, neither one will be dictating to the other how to live their lives.

Liberty and justice for all.

WRK
Riverton, UT

I wish that some would stop equating this with Civil Rights that the African Americans had to bo through. There is no way that this is similar. Those individuals had to go through hardships that the LGBT community can not even fathom. There is no way that they are similar.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Spangs -

Except for the fact that, once legal, the state will force churches to change their policies under the illusion of "non-discrimination".

It is already happening in MA. The LDS Church was told they could not deny adpoption services to gay couples, even though they took no state money. The church agreed to counsel any gay couple that came to their office. None did, but the writing is on the wall.

Fighting against the new im-morality will get you attacked by the government. It is only a matter of time....

Deseretina
Murray, UT

Continuing the fight is a poor choice and shows a lack of foresight. The Supreme Court won't be reviewing the case as there won't be any lower courts upholding the discriminatory laws passed by the states. Rushing to deny certain citizens equal access was anything but a conservative move, it was harmful and counterproductive - in retrospect we should view it as such.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Just imagine if the ruling from the Supreme Court comes down in favor of states being allowed to make marriage law? (That is, if the Court has the guts to even take a case. Sometimes they wimp out.) Wow. I'd love to see that fight just because it would be the best reality TV out there. However it will likely end up as a Roe/Wade blanket law that makes marriage a federal issue. What's the old saying? "Don't make a federal case out of it". Well, once again, they did.

Kindred
Mesa, AZ

Two people of the same sex making a legal contract never has been and never will be a marriage, regardless of what the federal government's position on the matter is. Just like the disagreements about Pluto being a planet, the final decision doesn't change the reality of the situation. Pluto is a big mass of ice and rock, no matter what the astronomers call it. Marriage is a union composed of a man and a woman. No matter what federal judges may say, it won't change what marriage actually is.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Loving v Virginia was ruled in 1964 allowing interracial marriage. But the LDS church still did not allow it for many years, and some churches still do not allow interracial marriage to this day. You are not being forced to do anything that you do not want to do.

Northern Utahn
Northern, UT

Being for something is one thing, being against something is another. I am for "traditional marriage," too. I'm just not against same sex couples being allowed to marry. Let everyone (obviously persons of consenting age) who desires to enter into this social contract do so. It doesn't hurt anyone to allow gay people to marry the love of their life, or even someone they want to just share benefits with (like many straight people do, now). It's really none of anyone else's business who someone decides to marry, so long as they are able to legally consent.

And to people who keep bringing up non-discrimination ordinances (the photographer, the wedding cake baker, the candle stick maker), which prohibit discriminating against gay people because of personal bigotry...Tough. Non-discrimination ordinances have nothing to do with marriage, and people made the same arguments when having to serve other minorities. In any event it has nothing to do with marriage, stop trying to conflate the two.

koseighty
The Shire, UT

One step closer to marriage equality for all citizens of every state. A happy day. And to think that Utah is at the forefront, pushing this case forward. :o)

CylonesRus
sunamn, IN

Jesus our creator has the authority to determine right and wrong, did address the gay marriage issue in the Bible’s New Testament, in Matthew 19:4–6: “, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female,” and said, “For this cause a man shall leave father and mother and shall cling to his wife, and the two of them shall be one flesh?” So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.’ (Judges)”
Jesus dealt quite directly with the gay marriage issue when he explained the doctrine of marriage. In Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26–27 and 1 Timothy 1:9–10 Jesus deals directly with the homosexual issue, and thus the gay marriage issue.
Jesus caused the Bible, through His prophets, to be written, thus whenever Scripture deals with marriage and/or the homosexual issue, Jesus is directly dealing with these issues.
According to Scripture, one of the primary reasons for marriage is to produce godly offspring. Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply, but there’s no way a gay marriage can fulfill this command! K. Ham

ibnweb
Dallas, TX

if the voters of Utah had followed the leaders of their major church, they would not have banned gay civil unions along with gay marriage. Had they done this, the issue of gay marriage might never have become a major fight. Why do you think the Church leadership was not against gay civil unions? It's because they knew it would take the wind out of gay marriage, but the ultra-conservatives behind the amendment thought they knew better.

YoungPuppy
west Jordan, UT

Unfortunately for the LDS church the US constitution and the 14th amendment was not written with their specific religious views in mind. Also "the will of the people" does not count if they wish something that is unconstitutional. That is the whole purpose for the judicial system, to find where people are harmed and rule based on the constitution and laws.

A church or even every church together can not and should not be able to influence the laws. Would these same people be in favor for a majority Islamic city or state implementing Sharia laws because that is what the majority of the people voted for? I am pretty sure that the LDS church would be against such laws that favored religious views that they differed from.

It is a great day for Utah and the nation and the march for equality.

koseighty
The Shire, UT

Love how the Deseret News continues to use stock photos of hands in an effort to dehumanize this issue. Every other news outlet is using real photos of real couples in their coverage.

Shame on you Deseret News.

Manzanita
Las Vegas, NV

And in order to illustrate for the Supreme Court what it means by "traditional" marriage, will the LDS Church be attaching as exhibits to its amicus brief the same affidavits that were submitted by the Church in the Temple Lot Case? (i.e., the affidavits from several women attesting to the fact that they were married to Joseph Smith)?

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Henry Drummond – “I believe that the Supreme Court will ultimately uphold today's court decision.”

I sure hope not…

If they do it will be 5-4 with Kennedy voting with the liberals, and gay marriage will instantly become the Roe v Wade of our generation (a politically divisive issue causing acrimony and rallying the base for decades to come).

Better to let this issue continue to change hearts and minds (as it has done at an incredibly fast rate over the past decade) and change the laws at a grassroots (i.e., democratic) level.

I know this won’t satisfy gay rights advocates but I believe gays will be far better off taking this long view approach.

Do you really think it will be good for society to give the religious right one more issue for them to rant about how they’re being oppressed and living under Federal tyranny? I know it’s silly but there are millions who think this way and like it or not their thoughts have consequences.

Michigander
Westland, MI

3 Nephi 9:

[10] And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations.

[11] And because they did cast them all out, that there were none righteous among them, I did send down fire and destroy them, that their wickedness and abominations might be hid from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints whom I sent among them might not cry unto me from the ground against them.

It will happen again.

Missouri loves BYU
Lebanon, MO

Trying to equate slavery and african american descrimimination with Gay and lesbian challenges is the same as trying to equate challenges of the pioneers crossing the plains with handcarts and someone driving cross country on I-70 with a broken air conditioner. Legal and moral are not the same thing and never will be. If I am going to make a mistake I am going to err on the side for moral.

Kaladin
Northern, CO

Same sex marriage will be allowed in all states before long. That being said, the Church can do nothing but stand against it, as it is our firmly held doctrinal and scriptural belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman. I understand why many don't like this view as it is, for the most part, a religious conviction. So while we feel that homosexuality is a sin and we fight to protect the sanctity of marriage against it, knowing that the world does not agree with us and eventually will allow it, we do not condone any kind of violence, hatred, or mistreatment of anyone with an opposite view. I know this will be incredible in the minds of some, but it is true. I abhor the sin, but love the sinner, and I would ask the same of others towards me and my imperfections.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

Look around our World and see how God created His children! Are they all white? Do they they all have blue eyes? Are we all the same height? No, There are huge differences and we were all created by God! If God's intention was to make us all the same, then He would have done it! I have lived with myself for fifty years and I think I have a right to say that God made me just the way He wanted me to be! Being gay was no accident and it does have a purpose! I believe that one of the reasons God created so much diversity was to help learn what it is to truly love others. Come on, we are not children! There is something wrong when people have such a need to demean and degrade others and to simply use God as an excuse is pretty lame! Being gay has taught me something important. I don't have to judge someone like some judge us! I don't need to tell them what God intended for them in life! He will tell them and He will help them know!

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