Looks like Utah is going head to head with Weber State for its recruits now....
Oh wait... Weber State never offered this kid? No other offers at all?
Hmmm.... It's good to see PAC-10.2 membership is paying off!
@indyIf you read the article, you'll find that the reason why
Barton, the younger brother of the Utes' 4-star recruit, was not more
heavily recruited is that he was injured and did not play. Hence, he was not on
any team's radar. But knowing that both his mother and father were star
athletes at the U helps to give an insight as to his potential. He'll be
fine playing for a team that is a member of one of the Big Five Conferences, as
opposed to playing for a team that is trying to be taken seriously as they try
to beg their way into the Big 12.
Indy,Big brother Jackson Barton could have attended any college in
the nation. Nearly every powerhouse program wanted him. He chose
Utah. Byu was never considered. If he turns out to be half as good
as his brother he'll be more than capable of delivering more humiliation in
your rivalry games in the future. 5, 6, 7 in a row? Easily. You
think 4 in a row is tough to swallow?We're just getting
started. The future of football in Utah, is PAC 12 proud Utah. Go see if the big 12 left you a message
Hey St. George Indi. Congrats! You.ve managed to alienate both Utah and Weber
State fans. Next post, try for Utah State and SUU. Why antagonize Dixie State
also? I know it's difficult playing 2nd fiddle and fighting to stay
relevant. But it won't help placing the Cougs more on the proverbial
island. Hang in there and prey you can bust into the Big 12. Or else get your
school to concentrate on club sports in the future.
It's not important how many stars people label on players.
It's not important how many stars people label on players.Oh
ya, until its a BYU player were talking about, then ITS ALL THAT MATTERS...
How many stars? Sorry Ute fans, but your buddies always bring that up with BYU
@PacUtes,While you are right that stars don't guarantee
anything, the average star rating of a team absolutely matters.Does
it guarantee wins?NO, but neither does scoring lots of points,
practicing, having a good coach, working hard, eating right, lifting weights, or
running to get in shape.But those things help.A 5 star
has been proven to have the highest chance at making the NFL. A 4 star has a
higher chance than a 3, a 3 higher than a 2.Overall, on average, the
recruiting services get it right.If you go look at who is winning
national titles - they always have among the highest average star recruiting
classes leading up to their championships. No coincidenceGo UTES
Why are WCC fans even on this article?
Chris B."While you are right that stars don't guarantee
anything, the average star rating of a team absolutely matters."Well than your Utes are not in a good spot at all.... Your current roster has
less 4 star athletes than a team you call mid-major.This might hurt
a little...Scout4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 4 ( Langi,
Poutasi, Lutui, Barton)4 star recruits on BYU's Roster = 11 (Warner,
Kearsley, Hinds, Mangum, Apo, Stout, Rowley, Kaufusi, Wilson, Bills, Hine) Rivals 4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 9 (Lewis, Hansen, Langi,
Salt, Thomas, Poutasi, Langi, Barton, Scott)4 star recruits on BYU's
Roster = 9 (Warner, Kurtz, Kearsley, Hinds, Mangum, Apo, Kaufusi, Bills,
Matthews)ESPN4 star recruits on Utahs Roster = 2 (Lotulelei,
Law)4 star recruits on BYU's Roster = 9 (Blackmon, Nacua(ESPN 300),
Warner, Kearsley, Hinds, Pauu, Mangum(ESPN 300), Apo, Kaufusi) Congrats to this kid for getting his dream offer! He has a great opportunity
to get a good education and play football. I hope he finds a lot of success!
2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0,"If he turns out to be half as
good as his brother he'll be more than capable of delivering more
humiliation in your rivalry games in the future. He chose Utah. Byu
was never considered."BYU never offered Jackson Barton a
scholarship... So how do you figure? And neither Barton has taken a meaningful
snap of D1 football. For all we know the older 4-star brother could be a bigger
flop than Jake Heaps and the younger No-Star brother could end up playing on
Sundays. Either way, I hope every young man committed to or currently on
Utah's roster finds success. These kids work hard and sacrifice a lot to
get these opportunities. It's not right for anyone to degrade or downplay
this big step and accomplishment in their lives.
@2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0"Big brother Jackson Barton could
have attended any college in the nation."Indy was never talking
about Jackson. He was talking about Cody.It's hilarious that
you think Cody is an automatic hot-shot simply because his brother had a lot of
offers.I'm not saying Cody won't be good, but basing your
prediction off of his brother is ridiculous."He chose Utah. Byu
was never considered."According to ESPN's recruiting, BYU
never offered him. So while you claim that Jackson never considered BYU, it
looks more like BYU never considered him enough to offer. Whether it was
football performance, academics, or moral standards, he just wasn't quite
good enough for BYU.But he was perfectly fine for utah.@GoRedIf he was really a dominant athlete, he would have lots of
offers anyway. Yes, injuries may have slowed down his recruiting, but he
oviously is not a complete unknown, considering utah offered him. I'm sure
many other teams know him and have evaluated him. And there's a reason they
@chris bDid you seriously just ask why the fans of another
school/conference are on a Utah article? Seriously? Go look at every BYU article
for the last three years, and see who is usually the first person to comment. Oh
Congratulations Cody! Welcome to the team!
@taysom4what?"According to ESPN's recruiting, BYU never
offered him. So while you claim that Jackson never considered BYU, it looks more
like BYU never considered him enough to offer. Whether it was football
performance, academics, or moral standards, he just wasn't quite good
enough for BYU.But he was perfectly fine for utah."FYI, Jackson Barton was rated the #1 recruit in the state of Utah, #4 national
at his position and #70 overall nationally, by Rivals. "Wasn't quite
good enough for byu"? Thanks for making my day with your humor! I think we both know byu didn't have a chance for Jackson so they
didn't go after him. Jackson signed with the Utes during his sophomore
year of high school and both parents played on the hill. You
questioned his moral standards and academics? Jackson is a great young man and
he graduated with a 3.9 GPA. Why can't you just admit that some kids want
to play for the U and others want to play for the Y?"But he was
perfectly fine for Utah"... 57-34-4, 4 in a row, 9 of last 12, 14 of last
21. You're right, he is perfectly fine for Utah!
@Black&BlueAll that talent and they still can't beat the
good teams on their schedule (Why is that?).
the BYU folks are pathetically desperate to get in a major conference, you can
tell by their recruiting posts all over this section of the news
Welcome home Cody!!Cody will have stars after his name when all is
said and done. He is having a great camp season, and will be a star on
Brighton's football team this year. No worries from this Ute about his
current lack of stars.Indy: That is really funny since byU yearly
has several recruits with only byU offers. We'll see in the end how many
offers he has, and how many byU signees have only byU offers.Black&blue (from Utah beatdowns) - What 81Ute said!IRS agent:
You are exactly right! Chris B and all of his reincarnations are constantly on
byU's articles. Oh the hypocrisy is right.However, there are
MANY byU fans who are constantly on Utah stories - just look above and below for
a small sampling of those who cannot get through a day without your Utah fix.
To you and all the others, we Utes say thank you for your support and your love
for all things Utah! You are welcome on Utah stories any time - you provide us
with much entertainment!!Go Utes! Get ready for 2016 byU fans - the
Barton boys will be ready to pick up the beatings!
@Utesby5Regardless of the recruiting rankings, BYU did not find him
good enough to offer him.And it's not like BYU isn't
focusing on offensive lineman in recruiting. We have recruited that position
more heavily than any other over the last two years.And no,
it's not because we didn't think we had a shot and just gave up.
That's just not true with recruiting. If BYU wanted him (even if he was a
long shot) we still would have thrown an offer his way just in case he was
interested.By the way, you aren't allowed to sign as a
sophomore, or a junior for that matter. EVERYONE signs early February of their
senior year.Maybe you meant he committed sophomore year, which still
would leave him available for a BYU offer...If they actually wanted
@ VegasUteI understand that there is constant posting both ways. The
hypocrisy lies in one of the biggest offenders making the complaint. It
isn't usually the waterfowl hunters or Grads&Dads that complain,
because they know they make the posts. It is just that the biggest abuser is the
one crying foul.
IRS Agent:I agree with you 100% on that. I too find it very ironic
that the biggest offender from Utah's side complains about others posting
here. There is not too fine a line between having fun with playful banter, and
being disrespectful and obnoxious. There are just some people who cross the
line at will and are proud of it.Cheers!
JSwaggDaddy:"BYU did not find him good enough to offer
him."Man! That is just too funny! I can't believe anybody
would post that with a straight face!!Every program has people they
would love to have, but know they have no shot with, so they do not offer.
Since Jackson is a Utah legacy, and committed so early, without wavering in the
slightest, it would have been pointless for Bronco and Co to offer him. Bronco
would have looked foolish to offer. That is just like Utah not offering certain
kids who are clearly bound for byU. That doesn't mean that the team would
not love to have the kid, it just means it is pointless to offer. But to say
byU did not "find him good enough" is just silly and makes your
statements look unintelligent.Love the Barton Brothers!! I look
forward to many years of them leading both offense and defense! Go
@Indy:"Looks like Utah is going head to head with Weber State
for its recruits now.... Oh wait... Weber State never offered this kid?No
other offers at all? Hmmm...."Here is the list of 2015 byU
commits and their other offers:Kody Wilstead - SDSU, SUUKimane
Domena - CSU, Portland StDayan Lake - NoneDavid Lui - Hawaii, Weber
St (ironic)Will Sedgwick - NoneMika Tafua - Vanderbilt Khari
Vanderbilt - NonebyU is fighting against three WAC schools, the
worst SEC school in the conference, two FCS schools and ..... WEBER ST for all
of it's recruits! Now - don't your comments seem just a little
silly?Too easy.Go Utes!!
@VegasUteFor your information, BYU offered the Kruger kids a
scholarship even though they were a very utah-loyal family.utah also
offered the Kaufusi, Reynolds, and Collie boys even though they are a very
BYU-loyal family.You say it would be foolish for Bronco to offer
him, but it's the complete opposite. If they are good enough, you should
still offer and see what your options are. This is why BYU offered guys like
Damien Mama and Solomon Thomas last year even though they were big time
recruits.-Your statement that BYU shied away from an offer because
he comes from a utah family can be proven wrong by BYU's offers to the
Kruger family.-Your statement that BYU shied away from an offer
because we "have no shot" can be proven wrong by our offers to Mama and
Thomas.If we want a player, we offer him.We didn't
offer him, so we didn't want him. Simple as that.P.S. Jackson
is a good player, but if Cody is the leader of utah's defense I really fear
for where their program is headed.
JSwaggDaddy:That's the flaw in your logic. Why doesn't
byU make offers to all the four and five star players? Because they're not
good enough? "You did not want him" does NOT equate to "he was not
good enough to offer". There could have been a million reasons why byU did
not offer, but "he was not good enough to offer" was not one of them.
That is, and will always be, laughable. But you go on thinking what you want
to think, the Barton brothers will eventually contribute to extending
Utah's win streak over byU.Thanks for stopping by on a Utah
story - you gave us all a good laugh.Go Utes!
@vegasuteYou may or may not be correct about why BYU did not offer
jackson but there is no doubt why they, and for that matter every other school
in the country other than utah, didn't offer his brother. I think his utah
offer was a pity offer, just a bone thrown to the family. I suppose he could
turn out to be a great player, I don't pretend to be an expert youtube
evaluater like u-pac, hedgehog, or azute, but the fact exactly no one else has
offered him, or even appears to have any interest in offering him, tells me he
may not be quite the recruit his brother was.
@VegasUteMost four and five star recruits are not good enough for
BYU. And I'm not saying they aren't good enough on the field.They either don't hold the academic standards or moral standards that are
required for BYU, and as we all know, both are incredibly high.I
know the academic and moral standards are also high at utah, but they are higher
at BYU. If you look purely at the academic numbers, it is harder to get into
BYU. And we all know the moral standards are much more strict.In no
way am I trying to say that Jackson (or Cody) Barton is some low-down person who
has low standards. I'm sure he is a tremendous guy. But there are lots of
great people who do great things, but also have one or two behaviors that
don't line up with BYU's strict standards.I guarantee you
his on-field performance is good enough for BYU. I never said it wasn't. I
just said that as an overall person he wasn't good enough. And I mean that
as no disrespect to him in any way at all.
@duckhunter:"You may or may not be correct about why BYU did not
offer jackson but there is no doubt why they, and for that matter every other
school in the country other than utah, didn't offer his brother. I think
his utah offer was a pity offer, just a bone thrown to the family."Based on your "logic", Craig Bills' offer was a "pity
offer"? byu just threw him a bone? Craig Bills received one offer only, from
byu. Still stand by your "logic"?Let's all keep in mind
that this is a local high school boy we are talking about here. He and his
family will read the article and the posts.Obviously, Cody preformed
well or Coach Whitt wouldn't have offered him a scholarship. In case you
didn't read the article, Cody Barton was injured last year which certainly
contributed to the lack of recruiting activity he normally could have
received.Coach Whitt and his staff have a proven track record for
recruiting talent. I'm betting Cody will have a great senior year and both
brothers will be studs at Utah.Good luck Cody and Jackson!
@swaggsdaddy:"If we want a player, we offer him.We
didn't offer him, so we didn't want him. Simple as that.P.S. Jackson is a good player, but if Cody is the leader of utah's
defense I really fear for where their program is headed."Apparently you are a member of the byu coaching staff based on your posts.
"We didn't offer him", "we didn't want him", etc.
I'm assuming you have assessed Cody's defensive talent and leadership
skills as well based on your "P.S." statement. Good luck to you and your
staff in your recruiting efforts.I look forward to watching the
Barton brothers play for the Utes. I'm sure Jackson and Cody have very
proud parents! Congratulations!
taysom4heisman on 06/25--"If he was really a dominant athlete,
he would have lots of offers anyway. Yes, injuries may have slowed down his
recruiting, but he oviously is not a complete unknown, considering utah offered
him. I'm sure many other teams know him and have evaluated him. And
there's a reason they haven't offered."t4h on
06/22--"There are many times where BYU offers a kid and then
Pac-12 schools come along later.When BYU offered Fred Warner last
year, he had no Pac-12 offers. After he committed, USC, ASU, Cal, Washington and
WSU offered. Nebraska and Boise were among the top non Pac-12 schools who also
offered.Similar situations happened for about half of BYU's
recruiting class last season."The latter was to explain why the
Pine View QB didn't already have a slew of P5 offers and specifically zero
@utesby5Ok but there are some differences, for one Bills committed
as a sophomore, barton is going to be a senior. Two Bills was a 4 star recruit,
barton is a no star recruit. Another is Bills was recruited by other schools,
barton is not being recruited by any other schools. But other than those crucial
details sure it is exactly the same.But as I said barton may turn
out to be great, I won't pretend to know and I certainly wish him well, but
the fact he is not being recruited by anyone and has no offers by anyone and has
no rating by anyone, tells us he isn't considered to be any sort of prize
recruit. His brother plays for utah already so it sounds to me like the utah
coaches threw them a bone. Who knows there might have even been a quid pro quo
based on jackson comitting.
@ vegas ute per scoutKody Wilstead -offer from Louisville 3 star qbDavid Lui- offer from CalDevin Kaufusi- Legacy commit (similiar to
Barton)Will Sedgewick- 30 best at his position nationwide. Dream school
dream offer.Dayan Lake- 4 Star linebacker (has been recruited by Alabama
(no offer) according to him) Committed before receiving an offer.Mike
Tafua- ESPN 300 recruit.Early commits usually do not receive more offers
until the fall.
Kimane Domena- BYU did not accept his commitment for some reason.
Hypocrisy in a BYU-Utah article? Never! Can someone help me understand what PAC
10.2 means? There are 12 teams in the PAC 12 conference so I am confused by
what the .2 represents. I think it is a bit old to continue this .2 bit if it
is in reference to the addtion of Utah and Colorado nearly 4 years ago. If it
is a dig on the U, well then it is unfounded and unsupported by wins vs losses
between the U and the Y as it relates to football and soon to be basketball as
well. I think of the 14 sports that the U and the Y competed in against one
another the U walked away with 11 of the 14 sports this past year. So help me
understand the relevancy of this reference. As for the Barton
Brothers, welcome Cody. Go UTES!!!
In case people have a hard time grasping the concept: players receive recruiting
interest by play on the field in season and by attending camps that coaches
watch and evaluate. Cody was unable to play on the field last season, so there
goes that one. Additionally, the only school he had any interest in is Utah, so
theirs was the only recruiting camp he's gone to (to my knowledge). In case
that's hard to understand, other schools' coaches don't attend
Utah's camp. Only Utah coaches.I doubt there was any "bone
throwing" involved, as Uaea Masina, a current scholarship player, and Osi
Masina, a recruit with a scholarship offer, have another brother Lo'i who
was a freshman walk on player on the team last year. In fact, another article
featured Cody discussing what Whitt told him at last year's camp, that if
he kept working hard and made a good showing at the next year's camp, he
could have an offer coming his way. Perhaps those added pieces of info will
cease some speculation, but based on those speculating, probably not.
East Coast Ute:Logic and reason will never stop the speculation from
byU "fans".BeSmart:"Early commits usually do
not receive more offers until the fall."You may want to address
that statement to your fellow "fan" Indy (to whom my post was written),
who for some reason decided to mock Cody Barton for having no other offers.
But, thanks for playing!To all the other byU "fans" flocking
to yet another Utah article - thanks for your love for all things Utah - we love
to see you post on each and every Utah story. Apparently Utah is very important
in your lives, and we appreciate your love!Go Utes!!Go
@east coast uteOf course there are always
'reasons'(excuses really) why a utah commit is so much better than the
rankings or offers would imply but a BYU commit with a near identical situation
is just an unathletic afterthought who no one but BYU would ever even consider
according to...oh...just about every utah "fan" that posts around here.
But the truth is this really isn't about the recruit.I'm
sure whittingham and the utah coaches considered him worth a scholarship for
whatever reasons they have, this is really about those hypocritical utah
"fans" that on one hand try to claim every single kid that commits to
utah, no matter how unheralded or unwanted by anyone else, is some sort of great
stud only whittingham had the smarts to recognize but a similar commit at BYU is
just dirt. The hypocrisy is the point around here, cody barton has
very little to do with it he is just the unfortunate subject proving the point.
Mr. Hunter, of course one without a hate-filled agenda would recognize a few
things from my points. First, that I never said anything about BYU. No clue why
you're coming at me with that (wait, maybe I have an idea). Second, that I
provided insight ("excuses" as you perceive) as to details surrounding
his recruitment and scholarship offer. And lastly, that I never claimed him to
be any recruiting gem or anything like that. If he had attended other recruiting
camps, maybe he would've performed well enough to catch coaches'
attention and receive other offers, maybe he wouldn't have. But the fact
that he didn't care to go anywhere else than Utah, thus wasn't on
anyone else's radar is no indictment of him as some worthless player or a
"pity offer" due only to family affiliation. I don't care what your
"point around here" is. MY point was to clarify misconceptions being
thrown around. Good day.
East Coast Ute. Are implying that my cousin Duck-hunter as other motives behind
his posts or that he is being contentions? That is absurd, he is merely
starting an argument for arguments sake and showing and displaying his knowledge
of the cypher. To be an honorable mention and to chose the U program for its
coach says something about what Coach K is building at the U. It makes me happy
to see its growth. I am disheartened to see our brothers down south have such
envy and pride that their hearts have become so hardened and have waxed strong
that they ignore the precepts and principles that guide them.Go
PacUtesSalt Lake, UT"It's not important how many
stars people label on players."Tell that to Chris B., et.al.
Good luck Cody! I hope you have a great career ahead.
If the exact same 0- or 2-star recruit, with no offers from any other school had
committed to BYU, instead of Utah, our little friends from the north would be
rolling on the floor with laughter instead of talking about Barton like
he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.The hypocrisy on the
hill never ceases to amaze.
@talkinsportsYou are exactly correct. If cody barton had instead
been offered by BYU and had committed then the utah "fan" narrative
would be that utah took the brother that was actually good and BYU settled on
the one that is not. Evidence? Look at the Reilly brothers and the comments utah
"fans" have made about them. utah took trevor so he was of course the
greatest thing ever but BYU took Drew so he is worthless and below utah's
standards.We've seen it enough around here to know how it is
spun by the utah "fans".
Congrats to this kid for getting to play D-1 Football with a scholarship at his
dream school. Good luck to you young man! Go BRUINS!