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Published: Wednesday, June 25 2014 8:54 a.m. MDT

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mohokat
Ogden, UT

And if Obama had negotiated a real status of force agreement and not cut and run to appease his base this would not be a conversation.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

“Hussein kept his distance from Islamic extremists.” No, he didn’t. He CRUSHED them.
Saddam’s Baath Party was all Sunni but completely sectarian. The God worshipped above all gods by the Baath Party was Saddam himself.

“ It also could have been averted if the Iraqi government had broadened its coalition to include Sunnis and Kurds rather than forcing them out.”

Right . . . if, if, if, if . . .

If GW Bush had not hand-picked Malaki to lead the country, and if the GW Bush administration had not seen to it that all former Baathists (all Sunni) were purged from the government, the military, and the police forces, and if GW’s hand-picked Iraqi leader behaved in a manner far more reasonable than GW could ever have done. . . .Then just MAYBE GW’s huge imbroglio would have been neutralized somewhat by now.

And IF the American people had voted for GORE in 2000, then 911 could have been averted . . . And a long string of horrible Republican mistakes that rendered our nation weak physically, morally, financially, and spiritually would have never happened.

In the final analysis, the fault lies with gullible American voters and their “Conservative” tendencies.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Absolutely!

Now Dr. Davis, expect to be mercilessly attacked by the same right wing posters as usual. Why? Because you committed the unpardonable sin: you said something nice about Obama.

Never mind that it was Cheney and Bush who got us into this mess!

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

mohokat -

"And if Obama had negotiated a real status of force agreement and not cut and run to appease his base this would not be a conversation."

Obama and the American military abided by the then existing SOFA signed by GW in 2008, which stipulated that the US had to be completely out of Iraq by the end of 2011.

The Iraqis insisted on it.

All this "Conservative" nonsense about it being Obama's fault is ridiculous.

You would be just as correct if you blamed Obama for the United States losing in Vietnam.

Trying to deflect from continual Right Wing malfeasance by lashing out with false claims makes the Republican leadership look pretty petty silly.

OHBU
Columbus, OH

mohokat: "And if Obama had negotiated a real status of force agreement and not cut and run to appease his base this would not be a conversation."

And this dishonesty continues. It was Bush, not Obama, who negotiated the status of forces agreement. Obama sought to renegotiate, but Maliki said he would only do so if diplomatic protections were taken away from forces left behind. Would you have supported Maliki being able to arrest any American military members for his own political purposes? Of course not, and no president, ever, would have agreed to such a condition. So what would you have had him do? Occupy the country as an Emperor?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Mr. Davis aka GaryO from VA

your periodic defense of BO is expected, but still laughable.

if BO had actually done it right, Iraq never would have deteriorated to the state it is in now. BO inherited a relatively stable situation and totally screwed it up.

Thanks for wasting the blood and treasure spent in Iraq because you do not know what to do.

Maverick,
bush left a stable situation - BO got us into this mess.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@mohokat
The Bush administration signed the statement of forces agreement in December 2008. The Iraq government didn't want to renegotiate.What was Obama supposed to do, invade them again?

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Remember when Bush and Cheney forced Saddam to invade Kuwait? It's all their fault that the dictator invaded, and then went on to slaughter his own people using WMD's.

Personally, I feel Saddam had to go. But, at the same time, who do you replace him with? I would rather have had Bush focus on winning in Afghanistan and killing Osama been hiden, along with dismantling that terrorist network. For the most part, they were on the run and Osama was viewed as a loser, until we invaded Iraq. That gave the network new life and recruits. We should have worked on wiping them out, before dealing with Saddam.

Saddam was at least holding Iran and most of the terrorist at bay. Yes he was slaughtering his own people. The trouble is, every nut job terrorist group needs Iraq in their caliphate. No one is giving up that land, which is holy to them.

SharpHooks
Sandy, UT

Finally---a piece about Obama in the D News that is factual, makes sense, and shuns the typical boilerplate GOP nonsense spewed about him.
Well done!

apm22
sparks, NV

This part of the opinion says it all: "The U.S. cannot solve Iraq’s problems." I have not seen anyone that knows the history of the middle east say otherwise. So, while I understand that we need to help clean up the mess we created, this opinion piece acknowledges that we will not solve Iraq's problems. I believe we will not solve the middle east's problems either. The effects of our involvement in the middle east has proven that we have not solved any of the problems that we were told we were trying to solve in our operations there. Again, this opinion piece states that ISIS is "far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein ever was." So, in reality, it appears that we, the United States, have made the middle east far more dangerous than it was before we entered the picture. It is worth noting that we installed Saddam Hussein in the first place. It is high time we stop sticking our nose in places where it don't belong.

Ltrain
St. George, UT

@ GaryO Koolaide drinker,

It was Clinton/gore who gutted the intelligence community and allowed Osama to get powerful and pull off 9/11. They had him on a silver platter several times and did nothing. They are responsible for 9/11!!!!!!

E Sam
Provo, UT

In a situation in which there are no really good options, Professor Davis is right in identifying the least bad option open to us. The problem with air strikes is that guys in pickup trucks make poor targets. The best option by far would be to hop into a time machine and not invade at all. Failing that, hold our noses and offer air support to corrupt and incompetent Maliki.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Ltrain -

"It was Clinton/gore who gutted the intelligence community and allowed Osama to get powerful and pull off 9/11. They had him on a silver platter several times and did nothing. They are responsible for 9/11!!!!!!"

WRONG . . . Your forceful and impressive use of exclamation marks not withstanding.

Clinton/Gore did not "gut the intelligence community." It was in good repair when he left office. But like all good "Conservatives," GW had a tendency to ignore whatever he didn't want to hear.

"U.S. intelligence officials warned President Bush weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network might hijack American planes . . . " - ABC News

"The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible." - The New York Times

Face it Ltrain, "Conservatives" just are not good leadership material.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

If you want a show of force... Please let's do this the right way...

Write your congressman and ask him to invoke Article I Section and declare war.

Short of that the President's hands are tied. I am glad this is all he is committing too.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

Obama hasn't done the right thing about ANYTHING, ever. If he would have been paying attention, he would have seen this coming long ago, and steps could have been taken to curtail it. But I don't think he really cares. Whatever goes wrong, he can just continue to blame the Bush administration, and find some other diversion. He's messed up big time on Obeymecare, the "Fast and Furious" fiasco, the IRS, the VA, the NSA, "immigration" (invasion), "climate change," and everything else he's touched. It doesn't take a mental giant to see the pattern here. But maybe he's getting better at golf and his family seems to be learning more about vacation spots around the world, because we tend to improve in areas that we specialize in.

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

Ohhhh! This is so fun!

I love the revisionist history being made here!

Clinton and Gore are now responsible for 9/11.

Obama is now responsible for Iraq.

Boy oh boy, the party of accountability is doing it's best to shirk any accountability for what it's done over the past 15 years!

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

It's true, if Bill Clinton wasn't soo busy acting like a Kennedy and trying to assault or have a relation with every girl that got into the crosshairs.

Then he wouldn't have to tell us why he decided not to take Osama out,while he was a loser and in the crosshairs of the CIA.

Bill was soo worried that taking any action on any terrorists or dictator,would appear that he was trying to cover up hisscandals.Which he's right.

However,sometimes youdo that right thing,insteadof worrying about yourselfBill.

Had he done his job...The bottom line,it's no presidents fault that their are psycho terrorists trying to create a caliphate and force everyone into Islam.The blame lies on those that brainwash, join, recruit, carryout attacks etc.The war is far from over.This will only be a break.They will attack again.The next time we'll lose more freedoms to "protect" us.The left will still be blaming Reagan and Bush for everything.

But,if liberals are right.We don't need toworry about terrorists.Climate change will kill all of us before then.They claim wehave justa fewyears leftanyway....

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Yes, Obama has it right so far. To begin with, if it weren't for Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc., anything going on in Iraq today would be being overshadowed on news websites today by videos of skateboarding dogs. In any case, Bush signed a treaty in 08 that said we were to get everyone out. And we honoured it. And in retrospect involvement in Iraq was a costly mistake. So let's stay out. As much as we can. As for terrorists, we need to be vigilant and prepared at all times be they from ISIS or Nebraska.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Then he wouldn't have to tell us why he decided not to take Osama out,while he was a loser and in the crosshairs of the CIA."

Well if we want to go that far back... why don't we just keep going and talk about the Taliban being armed by Reagan.... we could go on for ever like this. The propensity to dodge responsibility only dooms us to keep on making the same mistakes over and over again. Its kind of like the parents whose kids never do anything wrong... they just end up raising a brat. This works for both sides.

I do think Obama's response so far has been proportional to the threat and benefit to the US. That said, I do also hold him responsible for giving the impression that we might do nothing - leaving the door wide open to ISES. We should have aided in the fighting of ISIS in Syria too... because this is an idealogical group, one that doesn't acknowledge borders.

But lets stop deflecting responsibility, and start working on solutions... please!

FT
salt lake city, UT

BO will always get it right when compared to Bush/Chenney. That was the worst administration in the history of our country.

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