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Published: Tuesday, June 24 2014 6:54 p.m. MDT

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RRB
SLC, UT

We can't afford another amnesty. The last two did nothing to stop people from coming here illegally, dying in the desert, separating their families, stealing ids and jobs, social security numbers and committing perjury, nor did they stop business from hiring people here illegally (felony). We cannot afford another one.

I am sad some of our state leaders want more of the same, on a much larger scale.

prelax
Murray, UT

According to a new poll by Pulse Opinion Research, 2 out of every 3 Americans oppose the Obama-Boehner immigration plan that would give work permits to illegal aliens before enforcement measures are fully put in place.

The most popular option was to remove the ability of illegal aliens to have U.S. jobs and benefits, and to encourage them to return to their home countries.

Our state leaders need to represent the voters, not the business community. I will remember that as I go to vote today.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

My biggest complaint is the E-Verify system. This is a massive, privately-owned database that would need to have ID information for any working adult in the nation in order to be effective. That is a huge target for hackers and a huge risk for a public company selling information to outside groups. I work in the software industry. E-verify is ripe for problems. Look at other large databases - the no-fly list and the federal health care databases come to mind.

JDL
Magna, UT

In 1995, I was paying my construction crews on average 10.00 - 11.00 per hour for general labor. I was paying my foremen 13.00-16.00 per hour and I was even able to offer heath insurance. Back then it was at least a living wage. By 1998 my direct competitors were paying illegal help 6.00 - 8.00 per hour. I could not compete. I tried to keep things going following all the rules and I got my behind kicked.

The immigration reform that allows a path to citizenship has already come at the expense of my own citizenship. I am not alone, in fact there are millions of us who have paid and are paying a very heavy price.

The State leaders and Jake Garn who sent this letter, will soon be paying the same price. It is inevitable.

Michael-D
Riverton, UT

Jake,, I respectfully disagree.. the system is broke because we look the other way,, fail to enforce the existing laws, provide safe haven.. We now are being overrun, a mass exodus is in progress from Mexico and Central America.. The amnesty of the Regan years should have taught us a lesson.. it did not.. The influx of illegals across our southern borders, the 10 of thousands young men of late, supports the theory of a never ending trend our country cannot support..

We need a crackdown,,not a amnesty or a feel good immigration reform.. We need to send a signal,, not offer a free pass. We need to severely punish anyone found hiring these people, directly, indirectly, that would be the best reform and signal we could send south..

Otherwise,, we should release every American incarcerated for Fraud, Identity theft, Tax evasion or other crimes associated with illegal immigration.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

“The current system is broken, and the United States cannot afford to wait any longer to fix it,”

How would anyone know if our immigration system is broken. They have not used it in years.
Do we have so many jobs that we need to import labor?
Will unskilled illegal immigrants help our own unskilled labor force by competing with them for the few jobs they qualify for?

I know of engineers who are being required to train foreign workers to replace them. How would you like that?

Please explain how more unskilled illegal immigrants are going to help America.

(crickets...)

Shane333
Cedar Hills, UT

No "reform" in the world will help until AFTER our nation has absolute control of its own border.

SLars
Provo, UT

You don't reward illegal behavior. It just gives people the impression they can continue breaking the law.

E-verify can now be passed by local cities, along with controlling rent. I've managed databases for years, it's safe. It only matches names, the Social security database matches numbers.

It's time for a renaissance in honesty among our business community. They are hurting a lot of people with their actions.

BrentBot
Salt Lake City, UT

No "immigration reform" until the border is secure. And that means a fence along the entire border equal to the San Diego sector fence, which has proven very effective. Also, our immigration laws should be as least as tough as Mexico's are.

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

Translation?

Amnesty so politicians can jockey to buy their future votes.

Why do you think obama essentially has an open door from the south? He WANTS as many illegals as possible because they all fit into the democrat demographic. Generally poor and in need of some type of government assistance.

This will all work for the politicians but as usual there is nothing in this that will help regular law-abiding citizens.

By the way, I was Canadian and spent years legally immigrating to this country to finally get my citizenship after many years of paperwork, long lines, and fees.

Guess I should have take our Presidents lead and just broken the law and saved myself all the trouble.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

I wish someone would tell me what's "broken" about our immigration system - besides the fact that BOTH political parties don't enforce the existing law much at all.

There are MANY unfortunate results of no immigration enforcement.
1. the "middle-class" is being depressed more and more since they are the ones who WILL get stuck with the bills due to having 30 million unskilled, low-wage workers in the United States.
2. our OWN citizens need jobs.
3. Canada and Great Britain are seeing the mistakes they made with letting in untold numbers of immigrants - and have begun "shutting down the spigot". France is on the same track, they've determined that they simply can't put up with the numbers of immigrants and even have become concerned that they are losing much of their national "identity" as the result of decades of unchecked immigration.
4 similar to "JDL" above, some employers choose to OBEY the law, why should they be penalized by having to compete in the same industries that pay substandard wages?

Have we become so lawless a country that we've decided to actually REWARD illegal immigrant trespassers' behavior?

BrentBot
Salt Lake City, UT

Immigration is just another example of Washington DC (and now Capitol Hill SLC) thinking they know better than the citizens what is good for them. We need more Mike Lees, Jason Chavitz, and Mia Love's to turn things around.

ManInTheMiddle
SANDY, UT

I applaud the advancement of immigration reform. A pathway to citizenship/legalization is the only Christian solution.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Follow the money folks!

Who has supported amnesty since the beginning?

Who gave us amnesty?

Who promised that amnesty was the silver bullet to illegal immigration?

Reagan and the repubs and their greedy big business campaign contributors. Even Bush wanted to push amnesty down our throats.

Amnesty will be the final death knell into the American middle-class. The few remaining jobs will be given the cheaper illegal labor. Big corp, agriculture, and construction love this.

The rich and the repubs know that the American dream for many middle-class workers is on life support. They are looking to pull the plug.

It's time we pull the plug on these amnesty loving officials. It's time to pull the it on big business overriding the will of the American people. I ask conservatives and liberals to join with me. Money isn't free speech. Let's pass an amendment banning all campaign contributors. Let's force our reps to represent us. Let's severely punish all businesses that break our laws and lets ship the illegals out. If you want to come here, please, come! But do it the legal way.

Who wants amnesty? Follow the money.

wjalden
Cottonwood Heights, UT

When Wayne Niederhauser ran for state senate back in 2006 against Jim Bennett and Bryson Garbett, he sent out an ad claiming he opposed illegal immigration. Nice to see him NOT keeping his promise (which he broke almost immediately after winning the election).

Why would anyone trust these people? Wayne Niederhauser, Orrin Hatch, Marco Rubio, Eric Cantor, Jeff Flake, John McCain, and so many others all ran for office claiming to oppose amnesty. Then they changed their tune. Why trust them?

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Probably one of the first times I've agreed with Real Maverick.

Problem is dems are every bit as complicit as Repubs. on illegal immigration. NOT ALL amnesty supporters are Repubs. NOT ALL repubs. are supporting lawless behavior.

BOTH Bush and Obama have had the tools at their disposal to enforce immigration laws. They BOTH chose not to - although for somewhat different reasons.

Its' a little unsettling to me that, somehow, we have the money and troops to try to protect a foreign countries' borders - but not enough to enforce our own!

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

There is nothing at all wrong with out immigration laws.

What is broken is the politically motivated lack of enforcement of those laws.

Pass new laws, and without any change in enforcement, those too will be colossal failures with rampant illegal immigration. (To be ready to take advantage of the next amnesty deal that will inevitably be passed.)

If we want to co immigration reform, it must begin with securing the border, and no other changes until the border is proven to be secure! Then we can talk about a process to get people here illegally placed at the back of the line to eventually get legal status.

Anything less is abandonment of the rule of law and proof that not a single person need follow any laws at all in our country in the future.

No amnesty under any name!

SLars
Provo, UT

@ManInTheMiddle

There is nothing Christian in encouraging people to lie, steal and covet, a Christian would teach the legal (honest) path. Only by stopping the law breaking, the surge of children, and the identify theft, do we show true love.

It's top bad the Churches did not complain when the laws were not being enforced. Nor did they hold their members who hired people here illegally responsible.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

I will not support nor donate to any of the listed politicians or others who support amnesty in this "reform" bill. They do not represent my thoughts on this matter at all.

We need to gain complete and actual control of our borders first and foremost.

We need to identify all illegal aliens, including overstays of visas and those who have not lived up to the conditions of their visas.

We need to shorten the path to citizenship for those in line and who have made good faith efforts to follow the rules.

We have massive unemployment of our citizens already. We do not need more unskilled, uneducated, semi-literate English speaking labor to undercut our own citizen's as they struggle to make a living in their own country.

I do think that those who are in favor of this amnesty could show their humanity and magnanimity by sponsoring an illegal immigrant or family while they complete the process for a green card or visa. The sponsor is responsible for all costs and the taxpayers are held harmless.

If they are so keen on illegal aliens living in the US, then they sign up to be a sponsor.

ManInTheMiddle
SANDY, UT

SLars,
Dieter Uchtdorf and the leaders of the Mormon church disagree with you. Their stance is clear - we must legalize.

"We follow Jesus Christ by loving our neighbors. The meaning of neighbor; includes all of God's children, in all places, at all times.
We recognize an ever-present need to strengthen families. Families are meant to be together. Forced separation of working parents from their children weakens families and damages society."

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