somehow...i am not sold on Wiggins and/or Parker...i dont think they are cant
miss superstars...potential for wiggins yes...for Parker...probably an
all-star...but a player that would be able to lead a team to a championship...im
not sure about that...Favors...i hope that i am wrong...but i feel like
he'll be an Eric Dampier...an athletic version...i hope he improves on his
offensive skills...Hayward...the glue guy...accepted the fact that this is his
ceiling...he cant and wont be able to lead us to the championship...but
he'll be a piece that we need to get there...what we need...is a guy like
joakhim noah...who has passion for winning...and does everything for the
team...i hope that Favors becomes more vocal and shows more desire...and then we
need a go to guy...right now we dont have one yet...but trading a defensive
anchor, an always improving player on Alec and 5th and 23rd picks for a guy that
can score and create for himself...i think its too much...if it were Kanter and
somebody else..maybe i'll bite
Best Idea ever. The Jazz have no one on their team that can lead them towards a
championship. They need a superstar. Parker and Wiggins at least have that
potential. All those on the Hayward bandwagon, get off it. Favors is a good
big man but that doesn't win championships. How many has Dwight Howard
won? Kobe, Michael, Parker, they win championships. Yes Duncan has a bunch too
and Favors will never be a Duncan. I would trade the entire team to get Wiggins
@ AmericanvetI actually wasn't really comparing them in the
truest sense but more making the point that many believe that Wiggins
demonstrates the physical gifts that could allow him to get there. Elite.Is there anyone here really thinking that Favors is going to be a number
one option offensively? Most GM's believe Wiggins WILL be. There is the
difference.The Jazz never get the chance and I agree Favors AND
Burkes may be too much but I would certainly consider our late 1st round pick
with Favors if I could get my hands on the #1 pick.The reality is
that if Favors and Burkes both develop into solid role players do you see them
carrying a team? Burkes maybe but Favors offensively is already 4 years plus
into his NBA career. Still young yes but his offense and work is on him. You
can't put all that on Corbin. Favors got the minutes and progress is very
slow offensively.Wiggins might be the guy and at worst he is just a
solid role player but if he is that guy who turns into elite league talent then
the Jazz could actually be taken seriously.
Leave it alone. Derrick and Alec are flat out loved by Jazz fans and they are
great people. You throw them over for a guy who might wiff, or maybe leave your
team after a couple of years and you better believe that your mistake will be
compounded by Derrick and Alec becoming all stars. Don't keep shuffling the
cornerstones of your team off! Nobody can tell what Wiggins and Parker will be,
but I will tell you one thing--neither willed their team to a National
Championship. Derrick looked just as strong as either of these as a college
player and he is panning out. Give it time. Draft Embid if he is available and
know you got the guy who was thought of previously as the #1 pick. Then hope for
the best with his foot. There are good players in this draft but no can't
misses. Don't remove the key cogs of a tough and talented team. If you
whiff, it will take years to recover. And this year? Whiffing is a distinct
possibility. Who knows? Maybe Randle or Voneh will be the gems of this draft!
Jazz should take the Lakers bait and take on Nash's $10M contract and the
7th pick. Only way Jazz rebuild is through the draft! Once you have #5 and #7
package those together for Clevland and get the #1 pick while keeping Favors.
Lakers still will not sign Lebron and Anthony together and the Jazz win. They
keep Favors and get the #1 pick. If that doesn't work they still have #5
and #7. Get Vonleah(#5), Gordon(#7), or Randle(#7) and grab a SF or SG. Maybe
Exum (#5), Hood (#7), or Lavine(#7). Maybe you even get Smart at #5.Imagine the starting 5 ofFavorsVonleah/Randle/Gordon?HaywardBurks/Hood/Lavine?Burke/Smart?Instant depth at
every position and an easy increase or talent and wins.
@Jazz SourceI agree with you that this team needed some bold moves and
Lindsey is willing to be that kind of GM. However, Favors, Burks, the 5th and
23rd picks are too much to give up for the first pick in the draft. You tried
to compare Favors and Burks to LeBron, CP3 and others and that's just not
realistic. You're talking about the best players in the world. But also
remember, Favors and Burks could only get as good as Corbin allowed them to
become. I think most Jazz fans could see the potential in these 2 guys even
though Corbin couldn't. For that reason Corbin is not with the club
anymore. I want our young core players to get a chance now to play for a coach
that will develop them to their full potential. I don't want to see the
Jazz trade them and then watch Cleveland benefit with our young talent.
Wiggins/Parker should be very good players, but they are still unproven.
Let's use our 5th pick to get one of the other good players that will be
available to us there.
@yabuts & @joe5Where is the hostility for Lindsey coming from?
Here we have Jazz fans constantly lamenting about the team never doing anything
bold and now there is discussion that we have a GM to do the very definition of
bold and he is desperate? Ya, desperate to win.I like
Favors and I like Burkes too BUT do you include either of them in the same
discussion of Lebron, Durrant, Westbrook, CP3, Steph Curry, Derrick Rose? You don't get many chances to get your hands on a potential
superstar....and Wiggins stands as good as chance of being that player as any
drafted in the last 5 years and anything on the horizon in the next 5.The Jazz are near the top of the draft with their #5. If you aren't
there then you don't have that as a bargaining chip to move up. If we
improve slightly we draft even lower next season.The team has to
strike while iron is hot.Personally I was tired of the endless
mediocrity that Jefferson and Millsap brought. They are decent players taking
their teams no where that matters.Go big or go home.
Glad I am a Golden State Warriors fan living in Utah even though not that keen
about how the NBA is run anymore.
"Let him and Hayward leave. The Jazz will be better off without either
one."And replace them with who?? The phrase "let them
leave" sounds like you should eventually let them both walk as free agents
with no compensation at all. While they obviously have plenty of improving to
do, they're both young enough to get considerably better, especially if the
team around them improves. Neither are likely true franchise guys, but how many
players are?I'd love to hear realistic alternatives for
replacing them . . emphasis on the word "realistic."
If they trade Favors, I surely do hope they get rid Lindsey!!! On the other
hand, it would give us a chance to watch yet another of the Jazz players he has
traded play in the post season.
Throw in Greg Miller and now the Jazz have the makings of a decent trade.
This is making me crazy! Are we going to keep on rebuilding forever because we
let go those we have been rebuilding on and think there "might" be
somebody better out there? We want a player loyal to the Jazz, but is the Jazz
loyal to its players? I realize changes need to be made for various reasons, but
please not Favors or Burks. They are forming a good solid base from which to
grow. Even with the fifth pick, the Jazz have several good prospects to select
from and develop along with our core group. It takes the time it takes, but
don't start all over again from scratch. Oh well, whatever.
I suspect they will end up with Joel Embid since no one else wants him.
Favors is not as good as some people think. Let him and Hayward leave. The Jazz
will be better off without either one.
Defensively, to me that would be a mistake to trade Favors. As shown last year,
defense wins games and Parkers defensive skills are not the best. Favors was
the bright spot defensively for the Jazz. If you want to offer up someone,
offer up Kanter as he was a revolving door at times. Dennis Lindsey knows what
he is doing so until after the 5th pick on Thursday, this is all speculation.Remember people! The jazz have assets to obtain free agents as well
possibly so I would not be surprised to see something else occur.If
I were Parker, with the LDS population here, I would not want the pressure.
Andrew Wiggins is far from can't-miss superstar. Teams seem drunk on his
athleticism, and at worst he seems like he'll have a long, solid career,
but the hype machine is writing checks he'll be hard-pressed to cash. The
kind of trade the Jazz are apparently considering is something you do for a
clear-cut alpha dog. Whiff on a trade like that and you set yourself back five
years, at least.
One thing I loved about Kevin O'Connor is that he never seemed desperate
and so he usually came out pretty good with his deals. Lindsey has never seemed
anything except desperate so I believe he ends up paying a premium for each move
he makes.IN all honesty, I think this draft is about six players
deep for what the Jazz should be looking for. I think they could be very happy
with Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Exum, Vonleh, or Gordon. So why would the Jazz
give up so many assets to target Wiggins above all the others? Is he really
worth Favors, Vonleh, and Burks? He couldn't even carry his college team to
the championship even though they had as much talent as anybody in the country.
What makes the Jazz think he can carry an NBA team to the promised land?There must be things we aren't seeing as fans. Perhaps the Jazz are
really close to getting Tomic in the fold so they can spare a center (Favors).
Or maybe there is some buyer's remorse that they overpaid for Favors with
last years contract. Who knows? As Coleman said, let's wait and see.
It's going to take a long time to rebuild if we keep developing our young
talent, and then trade them before they peak for even younger guys.
I don't want Favors traded...he's just too valuable. And, if Favors
and Burks are traded, that might be it for me as a Jazz fan. As I've said
before, if they decide to move Kanter, I would probably be supportive.
Favors Burks and the 5th pick are too much for Wiggins or Parker. Favors is
getting better every year and the team has him locked up for 4 more years. One
of Corbin's biggest blunders was not playing Burks enough. Hopefully Quinn
Snyder will rectify that situation and Burks will get enough minutes to show how
great he is. I would actually rather trade Favors than Burks and expect right
now that Burks has the most potential on this team to be an all star.
i hope they dont do this....this kind of stories...makes people become not loyal
to the club...especially when you think about burks' contract next
season...i would rather trade...Enes Kanter and the 5th Pick...and leave it at
that...nothing more nothing less...Favors is a key Cog for us defensively in the
middle...and Alec Burks is an all-star waiting to happen...
obviously there are pros and cons to this trade scenario. first of all, losing
players like favors and burks who are two of our most promising prospects is a
gamble. both of these players have shown a lot of improvement and potential, but
more importantly have seemed to have found a home in salt lake. picking up a
player like andrew wiggins is enticing, but at what price? sure he has made
statements like, "i will be a star wherever i go." but how long does
that mentality last? could we potentially have another d-will falling out? I
think that if we are to give up two core players along with a #5 draft pick we
need to make sure that the guy we are investing in isnt just a great player, but
somebody who will be committed to a small market team long term. in today's
game it is easy for players to have limited perspective and get fed up with a
small market team that has years of rebuilding left to do.
Let's see what really happens, this may all be a distraction. I don't
believe that the Jazz will give what Cleveland really wants and so this becomes
nothing more than interesting talk. I think the Jazz are covering up something
and allowing this trade talk to dominate the airwaves. Just be patient, Jazz
fans. This could be all smoke and mirrors.
If the Jazz feel that Wiggins or Parker are franchise type players, then they
should do whatever they need to in order to make it happen. Favors has multiple
all-star potential, and Burk a solid but never better than a 3rd option. That is
absolutely a trade to make. I will be disappointed if the Jazz don't pull
the trigger at that because the feel the price is too high.
We want Parker!
@Thriller and Desnews, Please quit posting you want to trade hayward for picks
in the draft. Hayward is a restricted free agent and the Jazz can't even
talk to him until July 1 about being with the Jazz, let alone trade him (he is
not under contract...). And no, they can't work out a deal to do it after
they sign him, that is dishonest and against league rules and will get the Jazz
fined.Favors and Alec is too much. Favors, and #5 and a future pick (I
would restrict it to not be top 6), is okay, but not Favors and Burks. too
much. Seems like a good deal for Cleveland to get #5, #23 and Favors to give us
#1. If we could get wiggins or jabari seems hard for us but we have to stretch
to get that legit franchise player/star. I love Favors and would be sad to see
him go, but I'm glad the Jazz are at least offering this, weather or not
the other team accepts it.
I sure hope this isn't true. I don't want to see Favors and/or Burks
get traded even if the Jazz could get Wiggins.
Sign and trade Hayward, #5, and #23 in exchange for Jarrett Jack and #1.