@Hutterite: No, if they truly only had 650 in attendance by that point, then one
stabbing, one death from overdose, and another hospitalization from overdose is
an overwhelming number of incidents, and it reflects very poorly on the group.
I've been in gatherings much larger than that-- for religion, concerts,
festivals--and never experienced such mayhem. As the Rainbow Family is focused
on principles of peace and egalitarianism, maybe they would more easily
accomplish their purposes by associating themselves with things like service,
rather than seclusion, drugs, and panhandling. Even if they don't believe
in having a "leader" it's difficult to have any type of
organization and productivity if there's no director...something that both
sides fundamentally agree on.
Baddog…just going by past incidents involving this kid. Too bad he was
stabbed. This should not happen to any one but anyone who know this individual
Alright Hutterite and I are very different on the political spectrum, but folks
seriously grow up. He simply voiced his opinion and did not attack any of you on
his post. The problem with forums like this is that they become less about
differing view points and become tit for tat. Besides for all we know some of
the "hippies" could be Republican don't know why politics even
entered these posts. Maybe she was stabbed him for having different political
views. All I am saying is take the rhetoric do. For those of my loving brothers
and sisters of the LDS faith. Stop your chest banging or have the guts to use
your real names when posting your opinion. I am sure our Church leaders would
love to know who needs a lesson on hubris and pride.
@Hutterite - You atate: "Any gathering that large will cause problems."
There are gatherings that large every six months at the Conference Center
(actually, several throughout the year). There has never been one incident like
this at those large gatherings...ever.
Hutterite: "Stop trying to categorise [sic] me." But that is
what the posters on this board do every day. But usually it's the
non-conservatives categorizing everyone that doesn't agree with their
limited viewpoint. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
How easy it is to condemn and criticize. The Rainbow group undoubtedly includes
anyone who wants to join, including people with addictions and mental issues.
They are imperfect people often with serious problems trying to succeed and be
happy. They do not have the standards and morals to keep out problematic
people, and as a result there is trouble. How should we respond? Condemn them?
Hold up their weaknesses for ridicule? There must be a better way. Being in
the world and not of the world means to reach out in love to the problematic and
difficult people, not cordon them off and act like they are the unclean.
Shunning and condemning them will not help our young women or anyone else and is
a result of fear. God has given his People power to overcome disease and
physical harm. Why are we afraid?
no liberal or leftist could garantee that people (any people) will not break any
In a group of this size problems will certainly manifest. I make no judgement
on their politics. But those who criticized the church for moving or cancelling
nearby Girls Camps were certainly premature. The church authorities were
Rockarolla:I agree. Unfortunately, the facts may show this incident
worse than you expect. One question: How does knowing the victim change the fact
he was stabbed by someone at a Rainbow Family gathering who did not want her
State and federal land should only be made available for recreational purposes
for conservatives. The only thing that should be provided for liberals on that
land is holding camps.
I'm a 'leftist liberal' That's a pretty easy place to land
up here, considering how much space is left when everyone else goes and stands
in the far corner. Having said that, I'm not remotely naive enough to
think, let alone state, that a gathering of thousands of modern day hippies
isn't going to cause problems. It is. Any gathering that large will cause
problems. Move the kids' camp; it's a good idea. I say that because I
am not the 'old hippie' the posts make me out to be. I say that
because I'm a thinking, reasonable person, and a parent. Here's my
point: Stop trying to categorise me. I'm not a mormon conservative. But
that doesn't arbitrairily make me an old hippie commie pinko leftist
liberal. I'm not buying one fantasy because I don't buy the other.
I know the victim of the stabbing, and I'm sure that there is allot more to
the story. Let's let all the facts come in before we judge to harshly.
What?! This can't be right. These peace-loving hippies wouldn't hurt a
fly!Seriously though, you never see events cancelled due to those
rowdy girl's camps, or scout camps. Yet when the peaceful, accepting,
tolerant, non-judgment, can't-we-all-just-get-along hippies come to town,
suddenly everyone runs for their lives, avoid the place like the plague, and law
enforcement is placed on high alert. For good reason it seems. What does that
tell you about your "family?"
Wasn't there just an article talking about the destruction and safety
issues regarding ATV riding?
How can this be? We were assured, promised, even, by the liberals and leftists,
that the Rainbow Family Gathering was peaceful, calm, and the kind of place
young women should go to in order to be safe! That there was too much "fear
mongering" and so forth. Surely this report is wrong? How can
a leftist group ever be even thought of as less than Utopia on earth? Quickly, Comrades! Bury this news under the cover of darkness! This is all a
mistake. Indians! It must have been a bear! The sheriffs shot the guy to cast
blame--that must be the answer! Aliens! Meteors! Something, anything other
than, well, this group is not perfect. Because that wouldn't reflect well
on those liberals who swore there was nothing to fear.....
Wasn't it just last week when some here were claiming the Rainbow Family
was just a bunch of mellow old hippies who would never hurt anyone, and that the
LDS Church was just being paranoid when they cancelled the girls camps in the
name of safety?
I'm just "shocked" this is happening.