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Published: Tuesday, June 24 2014 6:55 a.m. MDT

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toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

It will all come toghether when the timing is right.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

BYU was liberated in 2011, free from the mess of the MWC. The poor tv contract with theMt and being left behind by Utah and TCU helped BYU make the decision, and the ESPN contract made it possible. It was very liberating back then. And while things could be much worse for BYU they certainly could also be improved. But the WCC is a good, albeit temporary, fit for the bulk of BYU sports so BYU is not in a huge rush to join a conference. BYU has done a great job positioning itself for the future; football independence might not be the best place but BYU is poised for greatness in the future!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

of course they would.

Too bad every big time conference is well aware byu wants to be included and no one thinks they are worthy.

The SEC, ACC, Pac 12, Big 12(with only 10 teams because no other teams are worthy) and Big 10 all came to the same conclusion: byu is a mid major because they deserve to be a mid major

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

There is no question that BYU is a program worthy of inclusion in a P5 conference, the question is whether or not any of those conferences want any more schools? Realistically the Big 12 is the only one that would be a good fit for BYU, and they seem content at 10 schools. So what can BYU do? Be the best available school for expansion if/when the Big 12 decides to grow.

If/when BYU gets an invite to the Big 12, there will definitely be growing pains. BYU is not on par with Texas and Oklahoma and would likely be battling for 3rd place most seasons in the Big 12. Fortunately, however, the Big 12 top to bottom isn't as strong as some of the other P5 conferences so BYU would likely never be a conference bottom dweller. I think Bronco and Holmoe or doing this right by saying/inferring "we like where we're at... but we'd rather be in the Big 12."

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

@Chris B

I think it's hilarious that you always say utah is going "onward and upward to Pac-12 glory" and say BYU is a lowly mid-major, but you try to make a big deal over utah beating BYU the last few years. You can't have all of these things at the same time.

One of these things has to be true:

-utah is not nearly as good as you make them out to be.
-BYU is much better than you make them out to be.

I would say it's a combination of both, but if utah was actually some elite program and BYU was just a mid-major, your claim to fame wouldn't be that utah has beaten BYU, or that utah is in the Pac-12 and BYU isn't.

Justmythoughts
Provo, UT

@Wiscourgarfan

I agree! Good Post!

JinaYi87
Norman, OK

BYU would be a good addition to the Big 12, regardless of what our commissioner thinks. I think the folks at OU would love having BYU (Even though you beat us in 2009........). I for one would much rather see OU play BYU than play Kansas or ISU. BYU would bring a legit opponent, despite what some seem to think.

Not sure why these articles attract Utah University trolls in such large droves. Believe me when I say that if I hadn't lived in Utah for a bit I would be fuzzy on the difference between UU and USU. I was talking to my friend from back East and he honestly thought that USU was the UU (And the eye test on record perpetuates this).

FatMan86
West Jordan, UT

Chris B,

You are right, BYU is a definitely a Mid Major, and is clearly unwanted by the major conferences. That won't change any time soon, and likely won't change ever.

Utah still plays like a Mid Major despite being on the inside now. They still recruit largely Mid Major talent. The difference is the size of their TV pay checks. Utah clearly wins in that department.

Unfortunately neither school has truly moved to the next level. As such the Oregon's, Ohio St's, and Florida St's of the world consider both of these Utah schools irrelevant in the aggregate discussion. Neither school is getting the kind of respect nationally that their fan bases seem to be demanding.

That won't change until both schools are winning consistently.

Copacetic
Logan, UT

@ Chris B:

Once again you naively take it upon yourself to try to speak not only for Utah's PAC12 conference, but for every other P5 conference out there. Ridiculous. There are many other considerations to take into account besides whether BYU is worthy or not. Conveniently, you neglected to mention any of those considerations.

Look at BYU's record regarding the Big12 over their recent history. They are 5-1. Definitely worthy.
What is Utah's conference record since joining the PAC12? Definitely not worthy.

BYU has owned Utah in basketball over the past decade. It doesn't bode well for you to claim that Utah is being owned by an "unworthy" program. It would be in Ute fans best interest to promote BYU's worthiness. It would then make their wins over BYU more meaningful.

My point is, off-the-cuff judgments like yours don't add to the dialog in a positive way. You are only promoting divisiveness and perhaps even displaying some ignorance of the situation. Let's try harder to keep local bias out of the argument.

Like TooSmartForYou pointed out... it will definitely come together when the timing is right. And so it will.

Weber State Graduate
Clearfield, UT

"Too bad every big time conference is well aware byu wants to be included and no one thinks they are worthy."

Perhaps so...every conference needs a "worthy" doormat they can beat up on every year to pad their records. Colorado and Utah appeared to fit the "worthy" criteria, thus the invitation to join the PAC.

I don't particularly care for BYU, but Utah's incessant chest thumping about being "prestigious" is pretty amusing considering their inability to compete against their "worthy" PAC brothers...even with the millions of dollars that have been flowing into the Ute athletic budget from the bowl games these brothers participate in while the Utes cheer them on from the comfort of their homes.

redthunder
Ogden, UT

"Running back Jamaal Williams said the Cougars want to be “the best team in the world” before amending that to “best in the nation.”

How cute.

@Wiscoug

3rd in the conference? How do you figure? It wasn't all that long ago that TCU, a team that is currently struggling, ate BYU's lunch year after year. Oklahoma State, Tech, WVU, Kansas State, Baylor, TCU all mop the floor with the Cougars. BYU beats Kansas and Iowa State. Thanks for the laugh though.

rlsintx
Plano, TX

I've sat in the stands more at OU, U Mich, AL, AU and tOSU than I have at BYU. BYU is not in that league by the depth of it's athletes alone. Forget knocking off a team once in a while, I'm talking about week-in, week-out. Neither is Utah, and they're going to keep proving it.

Independence is just the right situation for BYU; I think they've in their sweet spot and should give it a full decade to let things get right and find a stride.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Nope. We love independence. It's been fun and profitable.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@toosmartforyou

"It will all come toghether when the timing is right."

Unfortunately for BYU and her fans, the right timing was two years ago. That's when BYU told the Big 12 to take a hike. History will look back at that decision as possibly the most colossal mistake in the history of college athletics.

Farid @ Pocatello
Pocatello, ID

1. Yes, I think the football team could survive in a "big" conference.
2. Yes, if BYU were to move to a "big" conference, the Big-12 makes the most sense.

That said ....

1. Look at Utah. What is the (non economic)value in such a move? At least Utah can recruit better players, but BYU gets the vast majority of LDS players they want. All they can do is get better non-LDS players. Ask Gary Crowton how that went.

2. Big fish in little pond or little fish in big pond? I'd much rather go 9-4 or 10-3 every year instead of being a 6-6 "big" conference team.

I have seen every BYU game (in one form or another) since 1979. We've already seen the zenith of the program. We're as good as we're going to be.

Boise State has done a lot of good things out of the WAC and later the Mountain West Conference. The problem is that Bronco has raised expectations of BYU football but not its talent. Under LaVell, A WAC championship was a golden ticket.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Weber State Graduate:

"every conference needs a 'worthy' doormat they can beat up on every year to pad their records"

What a frantic and emotional thing to say. If that were true -- that conferences stand on the lookout for a way to weaken the brand of their leagues -- then the Y would have been invited years ago, and the SEC would have been poaching the Sun Belt and Missouri Valley conferences for teams like Texas State and Missouri State rather than A&M and Mizzou.

Big J
Bountiful, UT

Although it is in the realm of possibilities, I do not think BYU will ever get a P5 invite. If you look at other schools that are mid majors who could bring better market presence than BYU you will see my point. San Diego State comes to mind.

I am glad BYU is finally admitting that competition wise, going independent was a big blunder. They desperately need a conference, any conference. The big problem with having no conference is once you lose once, your season is done. The bigger problem is if you happen to schedule better programs, you can pretty much count most of those as losses. If you pad your schedule with lesser talent everyone views that and the W/L record means nothing.

Go Utes!

city planner
BOUNTIFUL, UT

WS Grad. -- Do not let one Ute fan (Chris B) represent the entire Ute Nation when he "thumps his chest". Most Ute fans are rational in knowing that we have not performed on the football field to receive winning results like we have hoped, thus it is frustrating. Humbly, most Ute fans are looking for improvement each year and hoping our student athletes in key positions do not have serious injuries that jeopardize the remaining season.

Our first year in the PAC12 showed that we can compete in the PAC12 when we went 8-5 with a bowl win. We will eventually get back to that level or higher if the last four years of recruiting falls into place and our student athletes do not sustain major injuries during the season.

65TossPowerTrap
Salmon, ID

I know this is going to smack of heresy, but Mendenhall needs to stop talking and start winning. That last bowl game against Washington was a debacle. It wasn't hard to determine the team that practiced 15 times and the team that practiced 9 times. Until BYU starts winning the big games, i.e. Power-5 games, it will never achieve the respect it craves.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

I don't understand BYU fans liking their independent status. I get that it's temporarily necessary for BYU (they needed out of the MWC). But if a P5 conference doesn't call, then what do you do if you won't go back to the MWC?

I understand that BYU is the rare school that can make independence work. But then again, what is making it work even mean? Besides Notre Dame and Service Academy's, the other independent schools are insignificant programs. I think the answer to what I am asking that comes from most content BYU fans on this subject is that BYU makes independence work because of fan interest and TV exposure. hey, playing on ESPN is nice. But the bottom line for me as to why I would be dissatisfied with independence if I were a BYU fan is that exposure and access to watching games doesn't change the opponents on the schedule. And the majority of BYU's opponents are EXTREMELY weak.

I hear BYU needs to win to get into a P5 conference. So do it. With their light schedule, if they beat Texas again then why can't BYU go undefeated?

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