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  • UT4Big12 HOUSTON, TX
    June 29, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    @ U-PAC,

    Thank you for your comment.

    Actually, there were initial discussions between BYU and the Big 12. The discussions never progressed to a higher level after BYU made a bad first impression on the Big 12 administrators and on the conference's media partners.

    The chances of those discussion ever being revisited are slim to none.

  • UT4Big12 HOUSTON, TX
    June 29, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    CordonBleu, you really need to get out more. Do you actually believe I am a Utah fan? From what I've read here so far, it seems Utah fans have no problem expressing how they feel about BYU. They don't have to pretend to be "outsiders". Utah fans jealous of BYU? Let's see, Utah is in the Pac 12 and BYU, well, is on an island. I wouldn't call that being jealous.

    I am an alumnus of the University of Texas (UT). I am a diehard Longhorn fan and a proud 10-year season ticket holder. I generally post at the West Virginia - "Big 12 Conference talks" forum.

    I see there is an on-going Utah-BYU hatefest here, but that has nothing to do with me.

    After Bronco Mendenhall's embarrassing plea to the Big 12 for an invitation, there are now countless internet articles that basically say the same thing: The Big 12 is not interested in expanding, not even to include BYU. So there you are BYU fans, you are not important in the eyes of the Big 12 administrators nor in the eyes of Big 12 fans. So, I hope BYU is really happy with independence like this article states.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    June 29, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    UT4Big12

    "As an outsider,..."

    LOL at these jealous Utah fans / BYU obsessed haters who pretend to be "outsiders", but spew the same cloned comments.

  • UT4Big12 HOUSTON, TX
    June 28, 2014 5:28 a.m.

    As an outsider, I found the title of this article interesting. I couldn't help but laugh and shake my head. "The Cougars are happy with independence, but are ready to join a Power 5 conference". What arrogance!

    From this title, one gets the impression that BYU must actually think P5 conferences were waiting for them. The Cougars must not be too happy with independence if they are ready to join "a" P5 conference.

    The article should be more appropriately titled, "The Cougars thought they were happy with independence, but are now desperate to be accepted by the Big 12". The BYU head coach groveling for a Big 12 invitation was pretty embarrassing.

    During the first discussions with the school, Big 12 officials learned BYU was a huge headache to deal with. Now the conference has absolutely no interest in BYU. That ship sailed a long time ago.

    Sorry, BYU, but you are stuck in no-man's land, unless you decide to go back to the MWC. And you may have to do some more begging just to get back in.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    June 28, 2014 12:02 a.m.

    "Are you suggesting the 2013 Cougars had a more legit season?"

    Based strictly on SOS, BYU 2013 had more legit season than any season in Utah history.

    BYU 2013 played the 38th toughest schedule, and still qualified for a bowl.

    Utah has never qualified for a bowl while playing a Top 40 schedule.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 27, 2014 10:01 p.m.

    @scott

    Please keep up with the conversation if you're going to participate.

    Several BYU fans have stated in this thread that what Utah accomplished in the 2008 season wasn't "legit" because it was not against a top 40 strength of schedule. This directly discredits the '84 championship (worst strength of schedule in the country that year) so the second half of your comment should be aimed at them; but it also begs the simple question:

    If 2008 wasn't "legit", has BYU ever had a single season that was more "legit" than the 2008 Utes? Remember that Utah beat 4 ranked teams, 2 top ten teams, including Alabama, in the south, in a BCS bowl.

    Are you suggesting the 2013 Cougars had a more legit season? Because they beat exactly zero ranked teams, lost to the worst team in the country at Virginia, lost to the Utes in Provo, and then went on to take a beating at the hands of a coachless middle-of-the-PAC team in their bowl game.

    Cool story bro.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    June 27, 2014 7:06 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    two words: reading comprehension

    SnackPac, Sportsfan, and skywalker were simply parroting your assertion that playing a 56th-ranked schedule that included a full slate of "mediocre" non-P5 teams like UNLV, Air Force, Utah St., Weber St. Wyoming, Colorado St., New Mexico, and a very bad San Diego State was a "legit" season.

    In other words, by your own admission, BYU's 2013 schedule, was far superior to Utah's 2008 schedule, a schedule against which Utah compiled a "legit" season.

    Unfortunately for U, the one glaring hole in your whole jealous argument is that the ONLY requirement for winning the AP National Championship is convince the majority of poll voters the you are THE MOST DESERVING team to be selected #1.

    BYU did that in both the AP and Coaches polls in 1984.

    Utah failed to do that and finished a distant 2nd in the AP and 4th in the Coaches in 2008.

    SOS was and is considered by the poll voters, but isn't the ONLY criteria as our jealous friends on the hill assert.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 27, 2014 5:49 p.m.

    @skywalker

    "btw, Utah fans can get off their high horses. BYU fans weren't the ones claiming that you have to play a Top 40 schedule in order to have a "legit" season."

    Incorrect. See SnackPac and Sportsfan on the previous page. You even backed them up on that point a few comments ago. You then went on to call '84 "legit" one post later.

    lol

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 27, 2014 3:38 p.m.

    @skywalker

    "not a single Utah fan has been able to dispute the claim that Utah has never had a "legit" season in which they played a Top 40 schedule AND qualified for a bowl"

    It is wonderful to see all these BYU fans admitting '84 wasn't "legit." It is also funny to see them avoid trying to name a single BYU season that was more legit than 2008 Utah.

    I wonder why you're having so much trouble coming up with one? lol

    You have three options:

    1) Simply name which BYU season is more "legit" than 2008 Utah
    2) Admit the hypocrisy, and that BYU has never had a season as "legit" as 2008 Utah
    3) Continue to run away from the question

  • scott Alpine, UT
    June 27, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    Gotta luv how the mere mention of BYU possibly joining a P5 conference sends the hill crowd into a full-scale panic attack.

    The reason is obvious:

    BYU joining the Big 12 would completely invalidate Utah's PAC 12 sticker campaign, which is the ONLY thing the Utes have "accomplished" during three full seasons in the PAC.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 27, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Out of 98 total D 1-A schools ranked in '84, BYU's schedule ranked #96....They didn't beat a single opponent finishing the season ranked in the final polls."

    It's funny how you conveniently ignored this little detail:

    BYU did beat Air Force, which finished #24 in the final AP poll, HIGHER, than Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished #25 in the final AP poll.

    The only reason Air Force wasn't "ranked", is because the 1984 AP "rankings" only included the Top 20.

    btw,

    BYU's loss to Virginia occurred first game of the season, on the road, with a Sophomore starting QB coming back from season-ending knee surgery after only starting 3 games his Freshman season. And even then, BYU had the game won until a tipped pass of a rain-soaked ball gave the Cavaliers the ball deep in BYU territory in the final minutes of the game.

    What was Utah's excuse for losing to Colorado in their final regular season game at home in perfect weather conditions?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 27, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    ekute

    "It's nice to pull off an occasional upset like Texas, but it doesn't mean much if you can't beat Virginia."

    Actually, BYU's win over Texas meant a LOT more than Utah's win over Stanford, because BYU's win helped the Cougars secure their 9th straight bowl game.

    BYU's record of perennial AP Top 25 finishes (17 in the last 34 seasons), is proof that BYU seldom loses to bad teams, unlike the Utes and their paltry 5 AP Top 25 finishes, none before 1994.

    Even during the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has dominated Utah in the rankings.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    btw, Utah fans can get off their high horses. BYU fans weren't the ones claiming that you have to play a Top 40 schedule in order to have a "legit" season.

    btw2, call us the first time the Utes are ranked #1 in either major poll.

    BYU's 1984 National Championship is just as "legit" as any other AP or Coaches National Championship.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 27, 2014 2:06 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    Are U speaking of the same WAZZU which,... blah, blah, blah...?

    I'm speaking about the same WAZZU that blew a 45-30 lead in the final four minutes of their bowl game, to lose to the fifth place team in the MWC 45-48.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 27, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    GO_COUGARS!

    Thank you for being so BYU-obsessed, but TroyTown didn't even mention BYU in his comments.

    btw, not a single Utah fan has been able to dispute the claim that Utah has never had a "legit" season in which they played a Top 40 schedule AND qualified for a bowl.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 27, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    "skywalker
    It's nice to pull off an occasional upset like Texas, but it doesn't mean much if you can't beat Virginia. byu has a history of losing to the mediocre and bottom dwelling teams of the P5. That's why "The cougars are happy with independence" and out of their minds to think they qualify for inclusion."

    byu fans are famous for pointing finger at '11 CU, yet '11 CU beat 3 FBS opponents....Conversely, '13 UVA's only other W was at home against a FCS bottom-dwellar.

    No, '13 UVA was hands-down the single worst L the state has seen in a very long time....It's not even remotely debatable.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 27, 2014 1:37 p.m.

    "Thank you for adding your voice to the BYU fans discrediting the '84 championship! This is getting fun. I believe BYU had the 2nd worst schedule in the entire nation that year, something like 90th toughest schedule? "

    Out of 98 total D 1-A schools ranked in '84, byu's schedule ranked #96....They didn't beat a single opponent finishing the season ranked in the final polls.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 27, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    skywalker
    It's nice to pull off an occasional upset like Texas, but it doesn't mean much if you can't beat Virginia. byu has a history of losing to the mediocre and bottom dwelling teams of the P5. That's why "The cougars are happy with independence" and out of their minds to think they qualify for inclusion.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 27, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    @TroyTown

    "Thank you for confirming the fact that you're incapable of refuting the claim that Utah has never had a "legit" season in which the Utes played a Top 40 schedule AND qualified for a bowl."

    Thank YOU for further validating the point by ignoring my question.

    If Utah 2008 was not a "legit" season, which BYU season was more legit?

    Can't wait to hear it.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 27, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    "It's nice to pull off an occassional upset against a team like Stanford, but it doesn't mean much if you can't beat Washington State."

    Are U speaking of the same WAZZU which, during the regular season, went 6-6 against what was following 12 games the #1 ranked SOS in the nation, including outplaying/barely losing to Auburn on the road followed-up w/beating USC in L.A.? This WAZZU? When's the last tome byu beat USC, anywhere? byu would've been fortunate to have had more than a couple of Ws w/WAZZU's schedule, let alone 6....At some point, U people will be forced to acknowledge WAZZU is quickly distancing themselves from their former reputation....Look at their current recruiting class, as an illustration.

    I literally have zero clue as to the relevance of the remainder of your post....We were significantly more competitive last year in an increasingly tougher conference, in spite of a slew of key-injuries, and just as easily could've finished w/an entirely contrary final record [i.e., blowing a certain W against eventual South Division Champion ASU].

    byu would've unequivocally finished dead last in our conference.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    June 27, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    Sorry, but you're living under the false premise that head-to-head results determine overall conference success.

    Average MWC Finish (2005 to 2010)
    Bronco 2.0
    Kyle 2.7

    The big difference, unlike Kyle, Bronco seldom loses to conference bottom dwellers.

    Bronco is undefeated versus Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV and WSU.
    Kyle lost to every one of them, some more than once.

    It's nice to pull off an occassional upset against a team like Stanford, but it doesn't mean much if you can't beat Washington State.

    Utah has a history of pulling off big wins, but falling short overall, because the Utes can't consistently beat the little guys.

    Case in point:

    In 1994, Utah finished 10-2, ranked #10/#8 with four wins versus AP Top 20 teams, but the Utes failed to win the WAC championship because they lost to lowly New Mexico(5-7).

    It's a problem the Utes have had for decades; getting up for big games (like every BYU game), but laying eggs against lesser opponents.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    June 27, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    @TroyTown

    "Utah has never had a "legit" season.. As much as you like pounding your chest about beating a few good teams in 2008, the truth is, you still only played the 56th toughest schedule."

    Thank you for adding your voice to the BYU fans discrediting the '84 championship! This is getting fun. I believe BYU had the 2nd worst schedule in the entire nation that year, something like 90th toughest schedule?

    Can't help but notice you're still side-stepping a simple question. If Utah's 2008 season wasn't "legit" (beat 4 ranked teams, 2 top ten, Alabama in a BCS bowl) just name one season, in the history of BYU football, that was more "legit."

    I don't know why you're avoiding it.

    Shouldn't that be easy?

    Or are you starting to see the hypocrisy?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 27, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    ekute

    "The U, joining a P5 conference and enduring a week in/week out, back-to-back grind of a schedule would be utterly brutalizing on BYU."

    Nothing but a bunch of whiny excuses for losing.

    The Utes had a gift-wrapped PAC south title there for the taking in 2011, and couldn't beat lowly 10-loss Colorado, AT HOME, to secure the division title.

    BYU has done MUCH better in conference play than the Utes for most of the last half century.

    WAC/MWC Championships
    BYU 23
    Utah 6

    Bronco/Kyle era MWC record, championships, and place
    BYU 39-9, 2 championships, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd
    Utah 35-13, 1 championship, 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd

    Bronco finished ahead of Kyle in 4 of 6 seasons in the MWC

    and versus PAC teams

    Bronco 9-9 (50%)
    Kyle 13-21 (38%)

    Despite the hyperbole flowing from the hill, BYU would fare better in the "weekly grind" of PAC 12 play than the Utes have fared.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    June 27, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    truthsandwich

    Thank you for confirming the fact that you're incapable of refuting the claim that Utah has never had a "legit" season in which the Utes played a Top 40 schedule AND qualified for a bowl.

    As much as you like pounding your chest about beating a few good teams in 2008, the truth is, you still only played the 56th toughest schedule.

    As Tomahawk Red claimed, no "legit" season can be filled with the likes of UNLV, Air Force, Utah State, Weber State. Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, and a very bad San Diego State and Michigan.

    btw, Utah's downward trend began in 2009, two seasons BEFORE the Utes joined the PAC.

    2008 13-0 #2/#4
    2009 10-3 #18/#18
    2010 10-3 ur/#23
    2011 8-5, 4-5 unranked
    2012 5-7, 3-6 unranked, no bowl
    2013 5-7, 2-7 unranked, no bowl

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 27, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    @jvs113

    Seeing the transition U/TCU have had to endure and the fact byu loses annually to The U, joining a P5 conference and enduring a week in/week out, back-to-back grind of a schedule would be utterly brutalizing on byu....Heck, byu couldn't beat U/WISC/ND/UW w/bye-weeks, Idaho State and weeks to prepare for coachless UW in between....byu would quickly be relegated to last place in their conference.

    Regarding our "trending", it coincides precisely w/the precipitous increase w/in our conference in competitiveness, from top-to-bottom, in each of our three years as a member of it, culminating w/Sagarin ranking it the overall toughest conference in the nation last year....Even w/extra weeks to prepare, byu went 0-2 against The PAC-12 last year, while being controlled in each contest, from start-to-finish, w/neither in a true road-game scenario....Case closed.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 27, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    @ SportsFan

    "Your feeble straw-man argument fails completely to refute in any way Snack PAC's claim that

    "The Utes never had a "legit" season. In fact, the Utes have never even qualified for a bowl, while playing a Top 40 schedule."

    Thank you for reinforcing the illegitimacy of BYU's 84 championship, but why did you side step what should be an easy question? Please, simply tell us which BYU season, in their entire history, was more "legit" than what Utah did in 2008.

    Beating 4 end-of-season ranked teams, 2 top ten teams, on their way to seal clubbing 'Bama in the BCS Sugar Bowl.

    Looking forward to your non-hypocritical response!

    lol

  • jvs113 Spanish Fork, UT
    June 27, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    I would love for BYU to join a power conference. I am not disappointed with independence though. It has been exciting to see them stretch and grow.

    For U trolls:
    2010 10-3 (7-1)
    2011 8-5 (4-5)
    2012 5-7 (3-6)
    2013 5-7 (2-7)
    The U is trending!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 27, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    KYUte

    Only a delusional Utah fan would claim that holding a slim 13-6 lead heading into the 4th quarter indicates "domination".

    ---------------------

    truthsandwich

    Your feeble straw-man argument fails completely to refute in any way Snack PAC's claim that

    "The Utes never had a "legit" season."

    In fact, the Utes have never even qualified for a bowl, while playing a Top 40 schedule.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 26, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    @Snack Pac

    Referring to 2008:

    "The Utes never had a "legit" season. When was the last time the Utes qualified for a bowl after playing a top 40 SOS."

    If you let them talk long enough, BYU fans start arguing with themselves. Let's ignore the fact that you just completely discounted BYU's 84 Championship (which I understand, it's hard not to) and look at how you just discounted BYU's entire history.

    Which season, in BYU's history, was more "legit" than Utah beating 4 end-of-season ranked teams, 2 end-of-season top 10 teams, and smacking Alabama in a BCS Bowl?

    When is the last time BYU beat 3 teams that finished ranked in one season?

    I think I hear your crickets again.

    2 teams?

    Hypocrisy at its finest.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 26, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    KYUte

    It's laughable that Utah fans beat their chests about being a P5, but continue to use BYU as their measuring stick for success.

    Remind how many bowl games the Utes have played in since joining the PAC.

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    June 26, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    Edit to previous 20-6

  • KYUte Louisville, KY
    June 26, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    @1978

    When it is 20-3 with 5:13 left to play, that indicates domination. It doesn't matter how many yards you gain running around between goal lines, crossing the goal line is all that matters. Our team will gladly let you run your little hearts out between goal lines every year.
    Have at it.
    Then you can come to us with a report on how many yards you gained and we will just point to the scoreboard and walk away with smiles on our faces.

    Oh, and your little rant about "we"...as a fan, it is permissible to use "we" when referring to the team for which you are a fan. As a fan, you become "fully vested" (ouch, that hurt to type) in your team, your are one "Band of Brothers" (I need to stop typing this stuff, it's so painful).

    I can't wait for Fall camp to start!!

    GO UTES!!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 26, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    The Utes never had a "legit" season.

    Only 6 conference championships and only 5 AP Top 25 finishes in almost half a century in the WAC/MWC, NONE against a Top 40 SOS, and absolutely NOTHING since joining the PAC.

    The Utes are all talk, but no walk, when it comes to accomplishments against a "legit" schedule.

    When was the first, last, or only time the Utes qualified for a bowl after playing a Top 40 SOS?

    * crickets *

    When it comes to hypocrisy, nobody tops the Utes.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 25, 2014 3:49 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil

    Legit season huh? UNLV, Air Force, Utah St., Weber St. Wyoming, Colorado St., New Mexico, and a very bad San Diego State. Try replacing them with Cal, USC, Washington, and UCLA and see how you do.

    --------

    This guy just invalidated his team's only national championship without even realizing it.

    I'll say it again.

    The hypocrisy is staggering.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 25, 2014 3:42 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil
    Phoenix, AZ

    Hearing ute fans laugh at ASU when Utah hasn't seen a winning conference record sine joining is even funnier.

    --------

    For the record, which Ute fan has said anything about ASU in this thread?

    Or are you just interpreting remarks aimed at BYU as remarks aimed at ASU?

    What is clear, however, is the fact that you're latching onto ASU's successes against Utah simply because BYU hasn't given you anything to use against us.

    Sad state of affairs.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 25, 2014 12:20 p.m.

    "So 'we' fully controlled a team that outgained you in total yards."

    No, it's about yards/play and being efficient, particularly in the Redzone, all of which The U outplayed byu in.

    I have no idea what the remainder of your comment is referencing nor do I know what it all has to do w/my previous comments....Regarding my last comment, U failed to address my points, which is mystifying to me.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    @AZUTE1

    So "we" fully controlled a team that outgained you in total yards. Any objective commentator or coach would disagree with that logic. Since you said "we" I was wondering which position you played.

    My point is that I am constantly amazed how many Utah fans cherry pick the stat that makes them look good in one area then completely ignore it in another area.

    It is all about scoreboard unless of course you lose to ASU.

    In 2013 it was all about strength of schedule but in 2004 that was irrelevant.

    It use to be about getting players drafted highly in the NFL until Ziggy and Van Noy etc., etc.

    The most amazing thing is how many Utah fans comment on BYU articles relative to the number of BYU fans that comment on Utah articles.

    Quite frankly I find it entertaining. Anyway enjoy this season and I hope Travis Wilson can fully recover and do well. He seems like a terrific young man.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 25, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    "Utah can't even beat Washington St."

    We're 2-1 against WAZZU since entering The PAC-12.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 25, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    "Legit season huh? Other than your great four, here is your other games. UNLV, Air Force, Utah St., Weber St. Wyoming, Colorado St., New Mexico, and a very bad San Diego State. Try replacing them with Cal, USC, Washington, and UCLA and see how you do. Utah can't even beat Washington St. Legit season? Nope. A couple of big games mixed with...WAC competition."

    In '08, ASU lost to both UNLV/OSU in bookmarking a 6-game mid-season losing streak, which included getting shut-out by USC, 28-0....ASU also recently went 3 consecutive years, bowl-less.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 25, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    "Yeah Right... BYU outgained Utah in total yards 443 - 402 and had two special teams touchdowns called back by PAC12 officials which would have made the score 27-20 for BYU."

    Actually, byu committed infractions on those plays....Furthermore, after allowing trash-talking on both sides to flourish all game long, we stop byu on 3rd and 10 in the 4th quarter, just beyond midfield, thereby forcing an obvious punt, when we get PF'd on trash-talking after the play which gave byu and a 1st down, leading directly to their sole TD of the game....Talk about home-cooking.

    No, we fully-controlled byu on their homefield, from start-to-finish, and the only stats which matter were yards/play and Redzone-efficiency....byu never seriously threatened us, period, end-of-story.

    Regarding my statement below on ASU-byu, you attempted to compare these two games of ours and I correctly pointed-out how utterly incomparable the two were, period, end-of-story.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    @AZUTE1

    "never seriously threatened us"

    Yeah Right... BYU outgained Utah in total yards 443 - 402 and had two special teams touchdowns called back by PAC12 officials which would have made the score 27-20 for BYU.

    As far as the ASU game is concerned if you can convince PAC12 officials that if you have a lead in the 4th quarter the game should end you may have a point.

  • U West of I15, UT
    June 25, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    @cougiesunnydeveil...Championship teams find ways to win even the most worthless of games. ASU found a way to win against an overlooked, inferior team. If Utah was even a decent team, they should have won that game. But they didn't...because doormat teams find ways to lose.

    LOL you contradict yourself all the time on one hand you say utah wins over byu were by less than touchdown and they only win because they get up for one big game a year. Then on the other you say "If Utah was even a decent team, they should have won that game. But they didn't...because doormat teams find ways to lose."

    I'm going to agree with you buddy if the cougies were even a decent team they would find a way to beat Utah but they didn't....becasue doormats of entire college football find ways to lose......LOL

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    June 25, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    "In 2008, Utah beat 4 ranked opponents, including two end of season top 10 teams. They finished the year by seal clubbing Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.

    Sorry, that was a legit season."

    Legit season huh? Other than your great four, here is your other games. UNLV, Air Force, Utah St., Weber St. Wyoming, Colorado St., New Mexico, and a very bad San Diego State. Try replacing them with Cal, USC, Washington, and UCLA and see how you do. Utah can't even beat Washington St. Legit season? Nope. A couple of big games mixed with...WAC competition. Yes. ASU could have gone to a BCS game with that schedule. Though I will give you that ASU typically performs poorly in the post season and therefore would have likely lost to Alabama. However, ASU has enjoyed three straight bowl seasons.

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    June 25, 2014 5:52 a.m.

    ....and if Utah had BYU's schedule, they'd have gone to a bowl every year.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    June 25, 2014 2:05 a.m.

    I love how everybody is an expert on everything. "Arizona and ASU don't talk about Utah" or "no, they don't talk about BYU." " I know for a fact that the Big 12 is not looking to expand to the west, so good luck BYU in getting into the Big 12." Blah, Blah, blah! BYU is in a solid position if or when expansion happens again. It doesn't seem that Tom or Bronco are super worried either. Would they like to be in a Power 5? Sure. Are they pushing the panic button? Nope. My opinion, BYU will be in a Power 5 after 2015. 2 good years with some impressive wins will show Big 12 the money that BYU can generate. Win and they'll get in. Have fun in the Pac 12 cellar Utes!

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 24, 2014 11:28 p.m.

    @cougarplusglomontopac12team

    "If ASU had Utahs WAC schedule in 2004 and 2008, ASU would have gone to a BCS game every year"

    In 2008, Utah beat 4 ranked opponents, including two end of season top 10 teams. They finished the year by seal clubbing Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.

    Sorry, that was a legit season. And more impressive than anything the devils or especially the cougars have done since any of the current college players were even born.

    lol

    Your jealousy is showing.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    June 24, 2014 10:43 p.m.

    Ekute, ASU has been playing with the big boys for a long time. If ASU had Utahs WAC schedule in 2004 and 2008, ASU would have gone to a BCS game every year. How has Utah done now that they are playing a big boy schedule? Utah making fun of BYU's schedule while hanging their entire credibility on two years with WAC schedules that are worse than BYU's schedule makes me laugh out loud. Hearing ute fans laugh at ASU when Utah hasn't seen a winning conference record sine joining is even funnier.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 24, 2014 10:10 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil,
    Your funny. How do you think the rest of the Pac 12 looks at sun devil football? They had a losing record last year. When was the last tine that they did anything? 1996 they lost in the Rose Bowl. Utah has won 2 major bowls since then. 1986? That's almost as long as byu that they did anything worth mention. lol.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    June 24, 2014 8:24 p.m.

    Tr

    Here you go.

    "All things considered, Utah isn't remotely on par with ASU. Thus Utah bashing hardly reflects poorly on us. We can say Utah is bad and there's no adverse effect because we've beaten you repeatedly (and sometimes soundly) over the last three decades just like a better team would perform against an inferior opponent."

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 24, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    @1978

    Your display of our conference records during our three seasons doesn't account for what everybody outside of utah county is fully aware of and that's the precipitous increase in competitiveness of The PAC-12, from top-to-bottom, in each of our three years in the conference.

    Don't believe me? Just simply look up the conference power rankings, culminating in Sagarin ranking our conference the #1 overall toughest conference in the nation last year.

    We led ASU for the vast majority of the game and were up by 12 points into the 4th quarter....byu trailed us, from start-to-finish, and never seriously threatened us....Nice try w/your apples-to-oranges comparison there.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 24, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    USNGary
    San Diego, CA
    BYU brings more money to the Pac 12 now than the utes....

    -------

    Backed up by exactly zero data.

    and

    "Living in SoCal, I know some AZ and ASU fans and none talk about Utah. None talk about BYU unless they are talking to me but none talk to me about Utah knowing I lived there for a number of years."

    Is this a joke? Why would any of those Zona folk even consider talking about Utah with you, a known BYU fan?

    A friend of mine is an Alabama alum. Should I talk about Auburn next time I see him? Why and for what reason?

    More reaches for fans of a program in sheer turmoil.

    LOL

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 24, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil
    Phoenix, AZ

    I read it the first time. My point was simple. You're bashing Utah as the Pac 12's "unofficial bye week", yet your precious team from Provo can't even win on the so-called bye week. Translation: BYU is a terrible terrible football team if that's the case. Can't beat Utah at home, on the road... anywhere... ever. That's bad.

    As for this:

    "I'd say BYU and Utah are equals. So when Utah fans say BYU is a WAC school, MWC fodder, pathetic, or the like... BYU=Utah. So what does that say about Utah?"

    It says nothing about Utah. Y fans have no credibility in declaring the two programs equal because BYU has done absolutely nothing to back that up. Four straight losses, 9 of 12, 2 BCS bowl victories to ZERO, and Pac 12 versus mid-major independence.

    All things considered, BYU isn't remotely on par with Utah. Thus BYU bashing hardly reflects poorly on us. We can say BYU is bad and there's no adverse effect because we've beaten you repeatedly (and sometimes soundly) over the last decade just like a better team would perform against an inferior opponent.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 24, 2014 2:50 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil
    Phoenix, AZ

    Actually it says a lot. it says that Utah can get up for their biggest game of the year (BYU), and one other big game (Stanford) but otherwise they come out flat. So Utah needing to "get up" for BYU shows just how important BYU is to Utah. The answer is...VERY important.

    -----------

    Clearly you don't understand the question, so I'll try again.

    Losing to one of the worst P5 teams in the nation, for four straight years, doesn't say much for YOUR TEAM, now does it?

    Teams are supposed to get up for big in-state rivalries, aren't they? If BYU, who publicly ranted and raved about how much they were juiced up for Utah last year (Super Bowl-KVN), can't even get themselves to a level where they can beat a Pac 12 bottom-feeder -- at HOME -- well then, that team of yours is pretty bad indeed.

    No need for you to reply. Because there's absolutely nothing you can say to spin that one.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 24, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    65TossPowerTrap
    Salmon, ID

    It was only a few years ago that Sports Illustrated was writing articles about TCU and Utah and their mid-major success. Today they are both completely irrelevant.

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    Problem for you is, BYU is even more irrelevant.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    June 24, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    Re: CougarSunDevil "I love ute fans who say making fun of BYU and the Mountain West (mocked by ute fans as the WAC). Where did Utah come from? "

    Correct, the Utes "came" from the MWC, but BYU may be going back. Pretty big difference.

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    June 24, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    Come on CO UTE, you and I both know, discussions of ute football anywhere has fallen way off from past years. Lets look at this years rankings and polling shall we?
    ESPN Utah #40
    SB Nation Utah #45
    These are the highest rankings I could find for the utes. And CO Ute please tell me you are happy sitting with your team sitting at home during the bowl season! There are so many bowl games and the utes are sitting home???

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 24, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Looks like cougar media day was a bust. Little interest from major media outlets, lower level representatives from major sports broadcasters, and the local press. I see nothing mentioned about the major papers sending representatives who represented the LA area, Seattle, San Francisco, Denver, Phoenix, or any of the mid west and east coast media outlets? This all boils down to BYU hype spewed out to local press.

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    June 24, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    Well no matter what the future holds for college football in the future. The FACT remains, that cougar football is even more exciting since going independent. Great games on the horizon. Kudos to Tom and Bronco for a job WELL DONE! And it is only going to continue to grow and get better and better. When the time comes. There in no doubt that the Cougars with have a place at the table. So all the naysayers need to take their ball and go sit in the corner and pout.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    @AZUTE1

    "They respect us and know we're in the process of completing our transition into The PAC-12"

    Year 1: - 4-5 Year 2: 3-6 Year 3: 2-7 At this rate do you really want to complete the transition?

    "and how many narrow Ls we had last year which just as easily could've been Ws"

    Apparently for Utah fans this logic only applies to ASU - Utah games and not BYU - Utah games.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 23, 2014 9:01 p.m.

    @stevenjarvis and whortheutes

    It's is your teams media day so any logical person would expect the articles to be about BYU and not Utah. Yet your focus is entirely on bashing the Utes. You both must be proud.

    As for your totally incorrect comments about national coverage, I'd suggest you go to ESPN.com. Click on the college football link and then on the PAC 12 coverage. There is something about the Utes here almost every week day. Seems to me that would be national coverage. Keep the mistruths coming because it just show you the level of credibility for your comments.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    June 23, 2014 7:08 p.m.

    Living in SoCal, I know some AZ and ASU fans and none talk about Utah. None talk about BYU unless they are talking to me but none talk to me about Utah knowing I lived there for a number of years.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    June 23, 2014 6:59 p.m.

    BYU brings more money to the Pac 12 now than the utes....

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 23, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    Uteology
    East Salt Lake City, Utah
    @CougarSunDevil

    Besides, you really think Utah has anything to brag about? Utah is the laughing stock of the PAC-12. I love talking with all my ASU friends about the football season. No one mentions Utah as anything anyone is looking forward to watch and is often referred to as "the unofficial bye week".

    ------------

    "BYU fans disagree. So do fans of PAC-12 Champion Stanford."

    I'm a Ute, first-and-foremost, but I'm also deeply entrenched w/in the ASU community and have been for decades and others in my same position are still breathing a huge sigh-of-relief after last year. They understand perfectly that ASU didn't win that game, The U lost it. They respect us and know we're in the process of completing our transition into The PAC-12 and how many narrow Ls we had last year which just as easily could've been Ws. Only those purported ASU fans on the peripheral run their big mouths. The core of the fanbase never does. This would also be contrary to the high-character Coach TG espouses, whom I know personally.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    June 23, 2014 5:32 p.m.

    I don't understand BYU fans liking their independent status. I get that it's temporarily necessary for BYU (they needed out of the MWC). But if a P5 conference doesn't call, then what do you do if you won't go back to the MWC?

    I understand that BYU is the rare school that can make independence work. But then again, what is making it work even mean? Besides Notre Dame and Service Academy's, the other independent schools are insignificant programs. I think the answer to what I am asking that comes from most content BYU fans on this subject is that BYU makes independence work because of fan interest and TV exposure. hey, playing on ESPN is nice. But the bottom line for me as to why I would be dissatisfied with independence if I were a BYU fan is that exposure and access to watching games doesn't change the opponents on the schedule. And the majority of BYU's opponents are EXTREMELY weak.

    I hear BYU needs to win to get into a P5 conference. So do it. With their light schedule, if they beat Texas again then why can't BYU go undefeated?

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    June 23, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    TR

    "No one mentions Utah as anything anyone is looking forward to watch and is often referred to as "the unofficial bye week".

    ---------

    How is it that BYU has lost its last four bye weeks?

    Apparently BYU is much worse than even Utah fans thought."

    Beautifully done! I dare say Madoff himself couldn't misrepresent something better than that. Allow me to give the preceding sentence that adds a bit of context to my original quote.

    "I love talking with all my ASU friends about the football season. No one mentions Utah as anything anyone is looking forward to watch and is often referred to as "the unofficial bye week"."

    Puts it back into perspective. Therefore, Utah is ASU's bye week, not BYU's. BYU has lost hands down to Utah for four years but not as big of a blow out like ute fans like to pretend (less than a touchdown). As a result, I'd say BYU and Utah are on par with each other. Equals. So when Utah fans say BYU is a WAC school, MWC fodder, pathetic, or the like... BYU=Utah. So what does that say about Utah?

  • SportsChemistry ENGLEWOOD, CO
    June 23, 2014 4:48 p.m.

    Neither the PAC-12 or the BIG-12 are going to want to expand. Look at the record of the expansion teams for their in-conference play:

    Colorado: 4-23
    Utah: 9-18
    TCU: 6-12
    West Virginia: 6-12

    Each team is trending downward since induction. When those conferences already have to support two bottom-dwellers each (not to mention I believe TCU and Utah both have winning records against BYU in the past decade) their fear that the current members will not make more money with a BYU induction is valid.

    Keep your contract with ESPN and stay independent, BYU. If you’re worried you’ll be left out, win your games and see what happens. If you get passed up, lobby for PAC-12 football only. Stay in the WCC for your other sports. The BIG 12 is probably looking east to expand, especially since they brought in West Virginia. You’re fan base is predominantly west. Play to your strengths.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    June 23, 2014 4:43 p.m.

    "...who you've lost to four times in a row.

    Doesn't say much for your team now, does it?"

    Actually it says a lot. it says that Utah can get up for their biggest game of the year (BYU), and one other big game (Stanford) but otherwise they come out flat. So Utah needing to "get up" for BYU shows just how important BYU is to Utah. The answer is...VERY important.

    Dutchman

    "Your vaunted Sun Devils had to come from behind in the 4th quarter to beat Utah by one. LOL"

    Championship teams find ways to win even the most worthless of games. ASU found a way to win against an overlooked, inferior team. If Utah was even a decent team, they should have won that game. But they didn't...because doormat teams find ways to lose.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    June 23, 2014 4:22 p.m.

    SunDevilCoug,

    Your vaunted Sun Devils had to come from behind in the 4th quarter to beat Utah by one. LOL

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    June 23, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    I'm not real crazy about independence, but what is so great about being an obscure team in a Power-5 conference? It was only a few years ago that Sports Illustrated was writing articles about TCU and Utah and their mid-major success. Today they are both completely irrelevant.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 23, 2014 3:21 p.m.

    Where's the big time scheduling agreements we were supposed to get today?

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 23, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    Darren Rowe
    Heber City, UT

    And what did all the ute fans say? "Your looking through blue-goggles, you have no evidence for this, BYU's athletic program is going to be shut down forever from these violations, etc."

    --------

    Did I miss the NCAA's response to these violations? If not, it's a bit early for a victory lap.

    What do you expect Holmoe and Mendy to say? "Yeah, we've got some big sanctions coming."

    LOL

  • AggieAndee Holladay, UT
    June 23, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    Sorry, no P5 conference will take BYU. BYU doesn't bring enough money or fans for a P5 conference.

    BYU has two choices. Stay independent or ask to go back in the MWC.

    That's it.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 23, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil
    Phoenix, AZ
    No one mentions Utah as anything anyone is looking forward to watch and is often referred to as "the unofficial bye week".

    ---------

    How is it that BYU has lost its last four bye weeks?

    Apparently BYU is much worse than even Utah fans thought.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 23, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    Steven S Jarvis
    Orem, UT
    I am on vacation in Cali and I still have yet to see a PAC12 sticker.

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    What is your obsession with decals?

    Does that seriously make you feel better about being cast outside the P5? Fine, enjoy that... knowing all the while that Utah is already where BYU and its fans dream to be.

    LOL

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 23, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil
    Phoenix, AZ

    BYU has actually enjoyed winning seasons. That's not funny ha ha, that's just cool. Two straight bowless seasons...now that's funny.

    -------

    ...who you've lost to four times in a row.

    Doesn't say much for your team now, does it?

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 23, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    utesgoingdownthehill
    Salt Lake City , UT
    Ekute complaining about cougarsundevil talking about Utah in BYU post.

    ---------

    How bout devil's prior rant which was entirely about the Utes on a BYU article.

    I guess you're blind to hypocrisy.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    June 23, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    The Big 12 seems pretty happy to remain at 10 and avoid a championship game. While a championship game brings in a great amount of revenue, a championship often harms the conference when the underdog wins. Don't hold your breath for them to add two teams any time soon.

  • AZBlue Gilbert, AZ
    June 23, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    People still talk about the Big 5 expanding to 16 teams each. If anything, the recent news coming from Big 5 conferences would suggest that they are looking for ways to cutoff further additions to the Big 5 to eliminate diluting the money pot for the current members. There are currently 62 members of the Big 5, plus Notre Dame. I am wondering whether there might be a new Big 5 division of college football with only the current 63 members (with perhaps one addition to make it 64). Thus any realignment might only be to balance out the existing members as the Big 5 see fit -- say 4 conferences of 16 teams each, or 2 of 12 each and 2 of 14 each.

    Who would be that coveted 1 additional team to bring it all to 64?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    'The Cougars are happy with independence, but are ready to join a Power 5 conference.

    "In the early years, I think BYU felt that they had outgrown the conference and their people were talking about how BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10." -- Ron McBride

    Apparently nothing has changed, their still talking.

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    June 23, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    What have I been saying ever since the investigation into improper benefits began? I have said the violations would be pretty minor, because BYU as a collective organization does things the right way, even though some individuals like Duane Busby may break those rules. I predicted that BYU would catch these violations early and self-report before anything got out of hand.

    And what did all the ute fans say? "Your looking through blue-goggles, you have no evidence for this, BYU's athletic program is going to be shut down forever from these violations, etc."

    That was hilarious. Maybe the ute fans should check their red goggles before they tell me to clean my blue goggles. BYU fans once again proved to be more objective while ute fans proved to be more biased.

    Mark it down, when the NCAA responds to BYU, they will hand down very few, if any, punishments.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    Besides, you really think Utah has anything to brag about? Utah is the laughing stock of the PAC-12. I love talking with all my ASU friends about the football season. No one mentions Utah as anything anyone is looking forward to watch and is often referred to as "the unofficial bye week".

    ------------

    BYU fans disagree. So do fans of PAC-12 Champion Stanford.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 23, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    "Sorry, Mountain West. It doesn't sound like BYU is considering going back anytime soon."
    -- Lafe Peavler

    BYU plays FOUR MWC teams in 2014 and FIVE in 2015, 4 of which are in November.

    Cougar Nation might not want to mock the MWC, without them who else would BYU use to fill their schedule, Big Sky teams?

    Sorry, Cougar Nation. I doesn't sound like BYU is going to the Big 12 anytime soon.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 23, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    It does not seem to matter WHEN the articles are posted. Chris B. with one of his dozen monkiers almost always dominates the first four to six posts on everything BYU related. The guy eats, drinks and breathes BYU football like no other.

    It also hurts that the Utes rarely have articles written about their program. I enjoy the ones that do get posted, but that happens so infrequently. Utah needs to try to build a public relations department and do something to get noticed now that they have joined the PAC. I am on vacation in Cali and I still have yet to see a PAC12 sticker.

  • SEC Rules Seminole, FL
    June 23, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    At Chris B.

    What’s really funny is to hear you guys talk about your PAC12 glory and Rose Bowl dreams. Keep dreaming. The only dream come true that you guys will have is a “White Christmas”.

    “Please have snow, and some mistletoe, and my PAC 12 membership under the tree…”

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 23, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    "Sorry, Mountain West. It doesn't sound like BYU is considering going back anytime soon." -- Lafe Peavler

    Well that's just as well, seeing as how I don't think the MWC was interested in expanding beyond 12-teams anyway. And even if they were, there seems to be too many MWC teams who wouldn't approve of their petition to join anyway. Remember, the MWC requires a 75% approval rate, and with schools like SDSU, Wyo, CSU, and UNM as most likely "nay" votes, the only other way for the cougars to get in would be if the MWC first expanded to 16 teams, THEN invite them, and hope that schools like Hawai'i and/or UNLV don't block them also. But then the MWC would balloon to 17-18 teams. I think that's too big.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    June 23, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    ekute

    "Is that why your entire comment is about Utah and the PAC 12, on the day when the spotlight is supposed to by on byu?"

    Only because the BYU haters beat everyone to the article, as usual. If the BYU haters weren't on here so fast and so frequent, I wouldn't post a reminder about how unimpressive Utah is to help my ute friends not to bash BYU. Besides, your "lol." comment put the spotlight on the Utah football program. BYU has actually enjoyed winning seasons. That's not funny ha ha, that's just cool. Two straight bowless seasons...now that's funny.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 23, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    @AFCoug

    I like your analysis. If the P5 decides to expand to 16 teams each, I would think BYU would be in the mix. Still BYU will have to give something up and that most likely would be their right to televise their own home games on BYUtv on a delayed basis. With 70% of the LDS community living outside of Utah, I can understand the reluctance to give that up. Meanwhile with the mess Texas create with the Longhorn Network I understand the other side too. It may take some real creativity to find a middle ground on that one.

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    June 23, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    The poor ute fans have to post here. As there is no where else really for them to post. As we and they know. The media has all but forgotten about the ute football program. The national media does not discuss them, the PAC hardly gives them a footnote and the local media coverage on the utes is very low. Even the Aggies get more press than they do. So what is a poor ute fan who wants to chat suppose to do?

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    June 23, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    The biggest question for BYU joining the Big 12 is not Sunday play like so many have discussed but rather is the BYU brand worth the $20M eachschool in the Big 12 is getting. If so that would allow them to renegotiate with ESPN and Fox for the additional revenue to bring BYU into the fold. If BYU is only worth $5M then why would they bring in the extra school.

    I do believe BYU is undervalued in their current contract given their TV ratings. They certainly draw much more than the low tiered teams of any Big 5 conferance, to include the vaunted Utes. Their basketball program is solida and a quality product as well. I'm not sure if they are a $20M program but I'm also pretty confident saying Utah is not a $20M program either.

    In the end I believe the Big 12 will be pressured to add a championship game and possible expand to 14-16 teams. The PAC-12 will also likely face similiar pressure in the future and we will end up with the Big 5 conferances having 14-16 teams a piece. This should get BYU in the door at some point as well as a few other deserving programs.

  • utesgoingdownthehill Salt Lake City , UT
    June 23, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    Ekute complaining about cougarsundevil talking about Utah in BYU post. I love Utah fans, they are the BEST!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 23, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil,
    Is that why your entire comment is about Utah and the PAC 12, on the day when the spotlight is supposed to by on byu? lol.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    June 23, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    I love ute fans who say making fun of BYU and the Mountain West (mocked by ute fans as the WAC). Where did Utah come from?

    Besides, you really think Utah has anything to brag about? Utah is the laughing stock of the PAC-12. I love talking with all my ASU friends about the football season. No one mentions Utah as anything anyone is looking forward to watch and is often referred to as "the unofficial bye week".

    Utah drains the Power from the Power 5. Utah is on par with the Kansas and Iowa State's of the College Football World.

  • BYU and Jazz Fan Provo, UT
    June 23, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    It never ceases to amaze me that the first comments on a BYU article are from Utah fans just chomping at the bit to get any dagger in they can. That being said I'm glad BYU is finally realizing the importance of being in a P5 conference as that is the future of where college football is going.
    I'm not panicking by any means but hope they can get in within the next few years. I also hope they continue to schedule teams from the P5 because we need to actually show that we belong and not rely on tradition.
    I think the future of BYU football is bright, despite what any supposed "Ute Fans" may say. I'm sure it'll just eat them alive should the invitation eventually come from the PAC 12. I honestly don't care what P5 conference it is as long as we're in one.
    The future of BYU football is bright just need to weather the storm. And for those of you worrying about the NCAA violations, I'm sure it'll be less drastic than the 99 violations the U reported a while ago.

  • Hoosier87 American Fork, UT
    June 23, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    I like independence - but I would love to see the Cougars in the Big12.

    I want to see all sports there too - basketball would be as fun as football - especially with what Coach Rose is bringing in.

    And before all our favorite Ute fans start commenting about nonsense - please answer me this: why would BYU not be as worthy a member of any of the power conferences as anyone else is - especially if the Utes are worthy of the PAC?

    Teams will continue to play BYU from the ACC/SEC because of the exposure it brings their teams - playing on ESPN every week is a beautiful thing, regardless of who you are!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    "Sorry, Mountain West. It doesn't sound like BYU is considering going back anytime soon."

    As much as aggie fans and other WAC fans want to pretend byu wouldn't be the #1 program in the MWC, the truth is they would. BYU would be the most prize of that conference. BYU would bring more money to that conference than any other team, and likely more than several other teams combined.

    But the funny thing is even knowing those facts, the WAC fans still don't want byu to join.

    LOL. They're both(byu and the WAC) too easy to make fun of.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 23, 2014 11:51 a.m.

    Can't read the article (broken link), but this headline is a joke. BYU is "ready" to join a P5 conference? That makes it sound like BYU has P5 conference breaking down their door to join but they're holding out. The reality is BYU's not in a P5 conference because they're not getting offered to join. Exclusion is not BYU's choice, it's the conferences' choice.

    The BYU lapdog media types are hilarious.