I say no compromise!Federal land stays with the Feds. Don't you
dare budge on this Feds. No is no, utah must learn to deal with it.Public lands belong to the public, not to dirty polluters or real estate
tycoons like Kenny Ivory.
If Utah wants to get land from the federal government how does it intend to pay
for the land it is getting?
The problem with that analogy is that Bishop is not a mechanic, and has no
understanding of the functioning of an automobile. So the initial premise fills
me with horror. At least one of those people standing around must have a better
idea about how to fix the car. Bishop's idea would be crush it and buy a
new one, then deal with its unique problems later. Bishop with his head under
the hood of a car conjures all kinds of unpleasant images.
"... the delicate issue of federal lands oversight in Utah, and few would
dispute the current system is a junker, rife with lawsuits, stalemates and
uncertainty." What? The lawsuits are coming from Utah real estate and
developer interests. Most of us think the status quo is quite fine, thank you.
Spent a week enjoying our national parks. Things are just fine as they are...
Deseret News Headline. . . "search for Utah Public lands solution".
What? The issue is FEDERAL public lands that belong to the citizens of New
Jersey, Georgia, Iowa, Oregon and all other states, not Utah. Every single
person in the United States is a stakeholder. Just because these exceptional
lands are closer to the citizens of the state of Utah makes absolutely no
difference.When Utah became a state a signed agreement designated
which lands remained under Federal control and which transferred to the State of
Utah. Now the Bishop and his fellow corporate raiders want to deny an agreement
that the states founding fathers signed just to transfer control over to mining
and oil interests. No Way!
Just because there is a 2000 pound gorilla in the room doesn't mean it
should have the final say. How much easier and better if these groups could get
together as they are doing and work out solutions without the Federal government
being involved. Utah lands should be managed by Utahns. Involving hundreds of
people from other states and thousands of bureaucrats from other states is not
the best way to solve our problems, protect our land and address our concerns.
We wouldn't ask hundreds of accountants and lawyers to get under the hood
and fix our car, would we?
The compromise which would work is to allow the Federal Government to have
jurisdiction over the land within ten miles of the major rivers/streams, and the
State to have everything else. This way you would protect the majority of the
biodiversity of the State into the future and let the State exploit the balance.
The problem with Utah and Public Lands in Utah, is that Utahn's don't
know anything about the Public lands they so despise. Go to any trailhead,
National Park or not, the majority of license plates are NOT from Utah. Hiking,
backpacking, Mnt bike riding ... I have talked with people from Europe,
Colorado, Washington, Virginia ... Utah? not so much. A co-worked that has
lived in the Wasatch Front for 15 years (hates Federal Government's
management of Public Lands). He said, well if I take my kids to the Mountains I
guess it will have to be to Island Park. Doesn't this guy look out to the
east and see the Wasatch? A retired BLM worker from Kanab is now in the state
legislature decrying BLM and Public lands. If he did such an incompetent job as
a career employee of the BLM, shouldn't we take his Federally provide
pension from him?
yea, enjoy th national parks and monumnets they wiil always be Federal. Just
don't get in trouble outside of them. Even in Nine Mile Canyon, Range
Creek and the San Fafael swell cell coverage is spotty. The Sheriffs
department is maintained by county property tax money. The Federal Government
doesn't pay property taxes and PILT when the Senate allows it to be paid.
So if you get in trouble be prepared. If you get answer on 911
hope you get the one in the county you are in and have your credit card handy.
And don't forget nothing mechanical goes into Wilderness.
Just what exactly is bishop talking about?The only problems or
disputes that exist are those created by Bishop and his fellow repub
politicians. They view these lands as opportunities to exploit for their own
personal wealth gain.The rest of us? We have no problem the way
things are. Maintain the standard quo.Remember this come election
time. Just how disconnected is your representative from you? Is he listening to
you or only listening to big oil execs?
re: ShaunMcC The title "Federal Lands" should be enough for you to
understand that the lands in question are not "Utah lands." The land
belongs to people in other states just as much as it does in Utah. There is not
the slightest legal question. It's not your car. The federal government
owns those lands just as clearly as you own your home, farm or ranch.
I wish that people would quit saying that politicians want federal lands for the
people of Utah. Utah wants federal holdings so that it can sell them
to the highest bidder, and PRIVATIZE what are now public lands.If
you're complaining about access to Utah's wild federal lands, just
wait until they are sold to private corporations, and you can kiss ANY access
The term "land swap" always scares me. The ones I have seen, the public
is always the loser. I was born, raised and educated in Utah. I them worked 30+
years in the Washington DC suburbs. Every inch of land around the Chesapeake Bay
is privately owned. You can't even walk through it to get to a beach. I
worry that these land swaps would put more land in private hands, and thereby
make it inaccessible the the public. Lets leave it alone.
Just because we live by a mountain does not give us ownership of the mountainToo many people here have witnessed the hands of their own public
officials, to have comfort with state ownership.For us to see the
current state lands run without a hitch would give us a basic level of
confidence, til then hands off the federal lands
There is no other solution to solving our debt problem and to achieve proper
school funding than to regain ownership of the lands...as the State Enabling Act
promises. Our resources are massive...on a scale of size that is hard to even
fathom. Developed wisely, we could pay off the national debt and secure
Utah's future at the same time...families could afford to pay off their
houses, send their kids to college without going broke and live a higher
standard of living. I would recommend setting up a fund to pay the citizens
like Alaska's permanent fund. The other piece to this is that
ever large development project must become literally a game preserve like I was
part of doing in the Alaskan oilfieds. Every single species increased in number
while I was there...evey one...as confirmed by Ducks Unlimited yearly counts.
Hence, these lands while being developed by private companies will actually
foster animal herd/population growth. So it is time to get our lands back and
save our country.
Three years ago the feds spent $55,000,000 fighting fires in Utah alone. Send
that bill the Gov Herbert. Once he'a pays it then they can discuss the
purchase of Utah's public lands, I would assume the land would be worth
trillions of dollars if they were appraised honestly.
Utah politicians have proven time and again they can not be trusted with public
lands.All they want to do is sell off the mineral rights for their cronies...No
Grand Bargain!Feds...don't do it!