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George F. Will: Stopping a lawless president

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  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    June 24, 2014 8:30 p.m.

    The US needs to look closer at the role of the Attorney General. Both parties now appoint someone who protects the White House while they are breaking the law. The party who has their guy in the WH stay quiet or help run interference. This is devastating to our system of justice. With a few more tweaks the US is going to be confused with USSR.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2014 7:23 p.m.

    re: airnaut

    "It's the same argument Al Queda and the Taliban use as well."

    What about Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc...?

    Almost forgot (?), Tomas Torquemada, the Spanish Conquisatadors, The Ayatollahs in Iran.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    June 24, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    Republicans are so upset that Obama DELAYED the health care mandate, yet they are against the mandate in the first place.

    That's right up there with complaining that Obama didn't stop BP's oil spill fast enough. Ya, I remember this stuff.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 24, 2014 7:48 a.m.

    mark
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Light and Liberty, you sure use god to back up your argument a lot.

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    It's the same argument Al Queda and the Taliban use as well.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2014 12:47 a.m.

    Light and Liberty, you sure use god to back up your argument a lot.

    Tell you what, if you want to use god in claiming you are correct, then do me one favor first: prove there is a god.

    If you can't even establish that a god exists I really don't see how your use of him, or her, gives your argument any credibility.

    I'll wait.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    June 23, 2014 8:00 p.m.

    This coming November the Senate will swing to the right and BO gets no money to spend.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    to Cats & Mike Richards

    How exactly has Obama differed from his predecessors (since RR) who were also Ivy Leaguers?

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    June 23, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    Under some liberals view of things, if President Hillary only issued one executive Order, which suspended the Constitution and imposed communist dictatorship--they would scream about how she was the least aggressive president in history, compared to that fascist Buuuuuuushh!

    It's not the number, it's the content. Obama is rewriting the laws that he signed, passed by Congress. In short, he's being a dictator -- he is literally dictating what the law is. Not once, not twice--numerous times. And you liberals are cheering him for it.

    You say--Bush invaded Iraq!!! So? He did so after going to Congress, presenting his case (based on evidence that Clinton gathered, no less), and got Congress to sign off. Note that Obama didn't go to his completely Democratic Congress and get that rescinded.... Obama invaded Libya unconstitutionally. Didn't bother with Congress, ever.

    Obama is a dictator, and you leftists cheer him on. You guys support dictatorships, it is clear.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 23, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    The Rock
    Federal Way, WA

    If there was ever a compelling case to impeach a President, this is it.

    8:06 p.m. June 22, 2014

    [I think launching attacks into countries based on lies about imanginary Weapons of Mass destruction that do not exist, and further passing the "Patriot Act" of legalized spying on American Citizens -- trumps anything you listed.]

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    Flashback
    Kearns, UT
    LDS Liberal, I count you and your cohorts among the Democrat Lemmings, so there you go.

    ----

    OK Flashback --
    Here's the Oath I swore --

    "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

    What oath did you swear to uphold?

    BTW -- I'm not a Democrat.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    June 23, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    Light and Liberty "Isn't it great that in America you can express an opinion, contrary to what some here would rather have, an America where only Michael Moore can speak!"

    And just where did you read this....nowhere.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    June 23, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Can't wait to see dinesh's film! Isn't it great that in America you can express an opinion, contrary to what some here would rather have, an America where only Michael Moore can speak! not my America. I welcome Michael's "trash" just as much as dinesh's "trash". God will win in the end, and that is my America!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    June 23, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    All you Libs out there need to knock of the revisionist history that you are all so fond of. I do recall Will, several times, knock Bush for some of the stuff he did. Same thing with Reagan. Will isn't the sycophant that you all think he is. He is reasoned, intelligent, and does his homework.

    Here's the Oath. “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

    Figure it out for yourselves.

    LDS Liberal, I count you and your cohorts among the Democrat Lemmings, so there you go.

    Otherwise I file this under 'politically motivated, biased opinion', but very reasoned and intelligent.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 23, 2014 7:27 a.m.

    BYUalum

    South Jordan, UT

    The American public needs to be educated as to what is happening on both sides of the aisle and take seriously the fact that our country is in big, big trouble.

    I would like to suggest that everyone go see the movie, "America, Imagine a World Without Her" which comes out in the theaters on July 2nd across the country.

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    No thanks!

    It's another one-sided biased, political "documentary" produced by far-right-winger Dinesh D’Souza.

    D’Souza is the director of the 2012 documentary “2016: Obama’s America,” based on his 2010 book “The Roots of Obama’s Rage.”

    The documentary attacks a variety of noted liberals such as Bill Ayers, Noam Chomsky and Alan Dershowitz.

    FYI -- D’Souza was indicted in January on charges of making illegal contributions to a 2012 U.S. Senate campaign.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    June 23, 2014 7:26 a.m.

    "I would like to suggest that everyone go see the movie, "America, Imagine a World Without Her"

    Seriously? This is the Desousa book made into a film who's stated purpose is to vehemently counter the Progressive agenda that is destroying America, and then goes on to spin history so that America wasn't stolen (his words) from the Indians, the Southwest wasn't taken from Mexico and the best of all, children of slaves are better off here than in their own country.

    Now that's some hubris and self deception.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    June 23, 2014 5:50 a.m.

    Regardless of what Congress does or doesn't do, the president is constitutionally prohibited from usurping power. Obama has gone off the rails and there are still people on these boards who have bought into the fallacious argument that he has to do it because Congress won't act. That is the prerogative of Congress and Obama has no right to make laws and ignore laws.

    Jonathon Turley, a constitutional law professor and liberal Democrat, has stated that Obama is the most lawless president in history. That's saying something. I can't believe the sheep on these boards to are willing to follow Obama no matter what he does.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    June 23, 2014 12:59 a.m.

    It's the talk of the news industry, the fact that Mr Will has gone a bit around the bend, with some recent columns offending a lot of people, and has been dropped by a number of papers.

    This article seems to validate that news.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 23, 2014 12:53 a.m.

    @ BYAlum

    I would discourage all church members from watching that film. It has some very questionable material in it which isn't suitable for church members. Not only that, but this director has a long history of making bogus movies on crackpot right wing subjects. He's essentially the Michael Moore of the right. Please, no church member should see things like that. Our minds are computers. What we put in we ultimately get out. Garbage in and garbage comes out. We should be in search of uplifting and enlightening movies. The movie mentioned above is neither.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    June 22, 2014 9:55 p.m.

    The American public needs to be educated as to what is happening on both sides of the aisle and take seriously the fact that our country is in big, big trouble.

    I would like to suggest that everyone go see the movie, "America, Imagine a World Without Her" which comes out in the theaters on July 2nd across the country. We saw this in a preview in SLC last night. I learned things I never knew about America. And, I feel like I know a lot about the history of this great country. This film especially needs to reach young people!

    This is an outstanding documentary film and one that will leave you thinking and contemplating what we can do collectively as a people to help keep America great. The photography and story line are very well done. I strongly encourage everyone to make this a "must see" this summer. We need to elect good people in November across this country to heal this political divide.

    God bless America!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 22, 2014 8:36 p.m.

    Gotta love somebody like Mike Richards proclaim himself the voice of the American people. Michael, you my friend, are far from mainstream. Far.

    Sorry, but Americans support background checks and limited magazines for guns. Do you support that?
    Americans believe in cap and trade. They also believe in the development of green technology. Do you support that?
    Americans believe in raising the min wage. Do you support that?
    Americans believe in raising tax rates on the rich. Do you support that?
    Americans believe in marriage equality. Do you support that?
    Americans believe in unions, pensions, universal health care, and strict regulations for Wall Street. Do you support that?
    Americans believe in leaving Iraq alone. Do you support that?
    Americans believe in keeping the government open and not using a shutdown in an attempt to repeal legislation. Do you support that?
    Americans believe in federal government ownership of public lands. Do you support that?

    Clearly, my friend, you are out of touch. Just as the GOP, which hasn't won the popular vote in a. Presidential election in quite some time.
    In fact, very few view the world in your ultra conservative Mormon perspective. They, not you, are the mainstream.

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    June 22, 2014 8:11 p.m.

    Joe Blow: Mr. Richards is not concerned with whether his views are mainstream or not. Whether Barack Obama is upholding the law is what he is concerned with! God is not concerned whether His views are mainstream either! Those in favor for SSM are on the same standing as those who wanted to keep slavery. Slavery was wrong, no matter how may southerners thought otherwise! God knew it was wrong and eventually both the north and the south suffered the consequences of supporting an evil practice. God didn't take an opinion poll about slavery, nor has He about SSM. If America is still the land I love, then expressions of truth will still be tolerated

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    June 22, 2014 8:06 p.m.

    Obama refused to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act because he didn't like it.
    Obama has written multiple executive orders implementing policies that both parties Congress would not approve.
    The House of Representatives is supposed to have the power of the purse. We went at least four years without a budget over the objections of the House.
    Unconstitutional Law after unconstitutional law was passed against the will of the people under Obama's watch.
    Obama would not even enforce his own signature law; Obama Care, granting exemptions to his friends (unions) and delaying the inevitable backlash until after the 2014 elections.

    Congress is now almost powerless so much power has either been usurped or delegated to the executive branch.

    There there is the Benghazi scandal that reminds me of King David and Uriah.
    Nixon talked about using the IRS for political reasons. Obama's people did it.
    Nixon was missing 18 minutes of a tape recording. Obama has six crashed hard drives and two years worth of missing email records, in an age when institution stores data that way.

    If there was ever a compelling case to impeach a President, this is it.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 22, 2014 7:58 p.m.

    The president is the only person in Washington that was elected by the people of America. Congress is elected by the people in individual states under the control of local business interests.

  • ronnie sandy, utah
    June 22, 2014 7:14 p.m.

    If you remove the emotion and look strictly at the facts you will find that Ronald Reagan issued 381 executive orders in his eight years serving as President! In George Bush's four year term, he issued 166 executive orders. In Bill Clinton's eight years, he issued 364. George W. Bush issued 291 in his eight year term. In Barack Obama's five years of service, he has issued 168 executive orders. This data can be found from the American Presidency Project and reflects executive orders issued by each president through January 20, 2014. Regardless of your politics, every president has used executive power to issue executive order(s)and many have used this power to a greater degree than President Obama. The facts are the facts whether they support your opinions or not.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    June 22, 2014 5:28 p.m.

    "They are opposing any idea that comes from the White House. They are representing the will of the people. Obama could learn from that."

    Far off base Mr Richards. Far off base.

    So, America is against "any idea that comes from the White House"?

    How about uniform background checks? Americans strongly favor that.

    How about Same Sex Marriage. According to a May 2014 Gallup poll, SSM is supported by 55% of the people.

    The country is fairly evenly split on raising the minimum wage.

    That is 3 quick ones that are all supported by "the White House"

    Is the House representing "the will of the people" in these matters?

    You may want to look a bit closer Mr Richards. Hate to break it to you but your views are far from Main Stream.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 22, 2014 5:24 p.m.

    When GW Bush is tried for starting wars, lying, torture, spying, and corporate hand outs -- call me Will, and the rest of the GOP lemmings.

    otherwise -- I file this under 'politically motivated, biased opinion', without reason.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 22, 2014 3:26 p.m.

    We are given eyes to see, ears to hear and hearts to feel. All of us, who read the paper and track Obama's actions, know that he has extended his authority into areas where we have not authorized him to act. That is common knowledge. No one can claim that his "modification" of Obamacare was not "legislative" in nature. Anyone who does claim that he had the right to modify Obamacare does not understand what the word "legislative" means. No one can deny that he has NOT built the fence that Congress funded nor has he supplied border patrol people to enforce our Southern border. That is a fact that no one can dispute.

    There are many other instances that anyone can find showing Obama's contempt for the other branches of government.

    Congress represents the people and the States. Congress has no obligation to do the will of the President. In fact, after examining what people think about Obama, the House is doing exactly what the people expect it to do. They are opposing any idea that comes from the White House. They are representing the will of the people. Obama could learn from that.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    June 22, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    Would someone tell Red that the president DOES serve limited terms, and that that has been the case for about 60 years now? In the meantime I join with others in noting Mr. Will's consistent partisan outlook on who IS and who is NOT "lawless". If every accusation against Obama were TRUE, he still wouldn't be in the "lawless" class with Nixon or "Iran-Contra" Reagan.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 22, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    Question: Do only those laws created by legislation have the authority and meaning of law?

    Does the Judicial have the ability to create law by disallowing improper laws created by the legislature?

    Does the President in the execution of the office of president of the United States, have the ability to add, subtract and modify the laws created by the legislature?

  • Light and Liberty St. George/Washington, UT
    June 22, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    I can only thank God that the minority voice(will's voice in this case) can still be heard. The division in this country is a great thing, considering what is at stake. Slavery was wrong, even if a state said otherwise (SSM is on a similar track). You may squash men's voices, but God's voice will be heard. The Courts may rule against God, but eventually, and unfortunately the south learned, that His wrath will be felt. Whether a dithering idiot or a voice of reason, both are protected in America. The point of all legislation is action. When a president himself, the one who is sworn to uphold those laws, violates the very laws that are passed, we are living under tyranny! Those who are blind to this simple reality are accomplices. Whether the current President, or George Bush, history is not kind to those who swing their arm up to the state in blind obedience! All those who blindly check either the Republican or Democratic line of reasoning is willfully acknowledging that abuse of power is all well and good! I only have pity for you!

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    June 22, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    More partisan nonsense. When Congress point blank refuses to govern, so
    someone has to.
    Classic example: when conservatives were clamoring for military intervention in Syria, President Obama said 'fine. Article One Section Eight. Go ahead. Declare war.' Congresses response? Crickets. Gutless silence.
    And this 'lawless President' argleblargle is just more partisan noise.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 22, 2014 11:01 a.m.

    For George Will, a lawless President is any President that isn't a republican.

    But when a republican is in charge and trampling the Constitution? Anything goes! He's silent.

  • Red San Antonia, TX
    June 22, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    There is no doubt that we have major problems in Washington. We need term limits on all of these people.

    Clearly our President is taking us down a path of nonsense.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 22, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    When will we wake up and recognize that people like George F Will are not on the side of people and are feverishly working their mouths to prevent the American government from becoming a government of the people? When do the efforts of the business promoted smoke amount to any thing more than smoke? When will we recognize that the Tea Party mentality is not the American way.

    As one of a tiny minority of leaders elected to our government who would actually represent the people of America, the anti-people group has used every means to discredit the President and cause his failure. Even to the destroying his stature and power in the foreign arena. And then complain about his ineffectiveness.

    George Will accuses President Obama of being lawless. If so let him present his evidence in a court of law, and not just in the minds of conservatives.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    June 22, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    Who is making the decisions. Who is in control of the money. It's the golden rule. Who controls the Gold has the control.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 22, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    The Constitution states: All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    It doesn't say that "some legislative Powers". It doesn't say that legislative powers be shared with the Executive Branch. It clearly states that ALL legislative powers shall be vested in a Congress.

    That is the supreme law of the land. No one can change that law without an amendment to the Constitution. The President is bound by that law. The Court is bound by that law. No President or judge can legislate. Only Congress can legislate.

    The duty of the President:"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    A President cannot faithfully execute the Office of President and defend the Constitution when he ignores that Constitution as he legislates from the Oval Office.

    Mr. Will is correct.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    June 22, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    So you all say no, no, no, we won't act, we won't agree, we won't do anything. Then when the President says enough is enough the country needs to function and does something you're going to impeach him because he's lawless.

    Absolutely despicable. Keep up this partisan craziness and watch the left become emboldened about pursuing war crimes against Bush and Cheney.

  • ShaunMcC La Verkin, UT
    June 22, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    Executive Orders can be rescinded by Congress and when they (EOs) violate the rule of law or create law, they should be. Sadly, Congress is derelict in their duty to act on this issue. Lawsuits are preferable to doing nothing and can effectively be brought by one house, but representatives of both major parties in both houses should be willing to stand up and oppose usurpation of power by any president, no matter which party.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 22, 2014 7:36 a.m.

    You claim to have been wronged in all kinds of ways, George, but offer no specifics.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    June 22, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    Will's commentary is so strident and over the top, he loses all credibility.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    June 22, 2014 7:19 a.m.

    Typical Will bilge, and just as bad and reprehensible as his column where he said that university co-eds derive value from being sexually assaulted. If Will wants to talk about a "lawless" president he should talk about GWBush and all of his signing statements which negated the bills he "signed", and not our current (and real) president who is doing his best to clean up George's mess with absolutely no help and with a lot of trying-to-make-him-fail, from the far right extremists. Will -- again and still -- needs to get a clue and show some integrity in what he writes.

  • BrentBot Salt Lake City, UT
    June 22, 2014 7:11 a.m.

    Our country must restore the rule of law. A president's powers are very clearly spelled out in our Constitution. They must faithfully enforce the law. If they don't like a law the president should ask Congress to amend the law. The list of lawlessness of the current administration is endless.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    June 22, 2014 6:41 a.m.

    Something has to be done. Obama is a menace to our constitution.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 22, 2014 6:10 a.m.

    Every time George W. Bush broke the law Republicans/Conservative laughed in the face of America.
    Now it is so much different.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    June 22, 2014 5:03 a.m.

    Comment preface.

    Two wrongs don't make a right
    The president has has surpassed his predecessors in overstepping bounds

    Comment.

    I agree with the bulk and the premise of what Mr Will has written.

    What Mr Will did NOT say is very telling.

    How can you have a reasonable article about Obama's excessive overreach without at least admitting that we have excessive congressional obstruction. And this obstruction is mostly purely partisan, as opposed to substantive.

    The latter does not justify the former, but it is the main contributing factor.

    While the founding fathers would probably express outrage at Obama's tactics, they would most likely have equal rage at how congress is currently operating.