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Published: Monday, June 23 2014 1:03 p.m. MDT

Updated: Monday, June 23 2014 1:03 p.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

From what I've read it's the more liberal Democrats who are not too thrilled with Clinton. She has a very cozy relationship with Corporate America, and very hawkish views on foreign policy. A very interesting matchup would be Clinton vs Rand Paul. A Hawkish Democratic Internationalist against a Dovish Isolationist Republican. People might be confused.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

The public has turned on Hillary because they figured out that she can't be trusted.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Roaland Kayser -

" A very interesting matchup would be Clinton vs Rand Paul"

Yeah . . . another interesting loss for the Repubs.

In fact, the Republicans could not field a candidate with a chance of beating Hillary Clinton.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I seriously don't think she was EVER a "great" candidate for President.

What have her major political accomplishments been???

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She was married to a great politician (but I don't know if it rubs off on you by being married to him).

She ran for Senate in New York and won (even though she's not a New Yorker).

But what big things did she accomplish when in office? She voted FOR the war in Iraq. And then later tried to de-fund it (kinda like Lee trying to de-fund the ACA).

In 2006 Clinton spent more on her reelection than any other candidate. And then promptly resigned and ran for President (and lost).

So she doesn't have a great track record of winning elections. And she doesn't have a reputation for getting a lot done when she does win.

I don't know what kind of President she would be. But if her leadership as Sec of State is any indication... I don't want her as President.

I think she COULD win. But I don't think it would be as easy as Democrats hope.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

Given up? She leads every potential Republican candidate head to head in just about every poll since the bridge scandal took down Chris Christie.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I would hate to be the last President of the United States of America. If Hillary Clinton is elected president, there will be enough of the anti-America people, with enough money, to bring down our nation, just to win a political battle.

If she does run for the presidency, I would think her the bravest woman in history.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

2 bits -

"What have her major political accomplishments been???"

Her major accomplishment?

She became a Democrat.

That shows her perspicacity, mental acuity, and just plain good sense . . . And the ability to learn from her mistakes.

Not many people realize that Hillary was once a Goldwater Republican, who actually worked for his campaign.

. . . Of course, that was in her impressionable youth, when she apparently was not yet mature enough to make reasonable decisions.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT
I seriously don't think she was EVER a "great" candidate for President.

What have her major political accomplishments been???

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Haha - You're kidding?

Let's see...

She's holds a Doctorate from Yale University Law School.
She was First Lady of Arkansas -- TWICE.
She was the First Lady of the United Sates -- Twice.
Senator of New York -- Twice.
Scretary of the United States.

I'm looking forward to another GOP Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachhmann, or Donald Trump to run against her.

IMHO -- I don't think it's a Hillary is the best of all bestest candidates,
so much as it is the public has just plain given up on the GOP.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

With everything the right wing has thrown at her, she still leads every Republican by a comfortable margin. This "discussion" is little more than wishful thinking.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@GaryO,
But what actual "Accomplishments" does she have that qualify her to be President??

I mean BESIDES her awesomeness... and being a Democrat.

Do you have any actual ACCOMPLISHMENTS that convince you she would be a good President?

I mean saying you didn't even know our embassy had been asking for reinforcements... and the embassy is eventually overrun and our ambassador killed (and she blames a video, and then blames underlings for not telling her)... doesn't seem like she has the right stuff to run the State Department... much less the whole United States Government!

IF you have some super-awesome things she has actually accomplished in her stellar political career... I'd love to hear about them. IF she has a lot of actual accomplishments... you may change my mind.

What did she accomplish as a Senator? What bills did she propose? Did they pass? She voted FOR the Iraq war you know... yet that is only a liability IF you are a Republican???

What did she accomplish as SOC? Benghazi?

Tell me what she has accomplished that makes her so awesome! BESIDES being a Democrat...

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Compare her career to Mitt Romney's.

She has accomplished so much more. There's no comparison.

E Sam
Provo, UT

I would vote for her over almost any Republican. But I would prefer a more authentic liberal.

steamroller
Salt Lake City, UT

Only the DN would ask such a question. I'm hopeful that she'll run for the Presidency....reason being is that she's at least 8 percentage points over and above any Republican that faces her. Of course, the GOP mission between now and the 2016 election is to discredit her and to come up with the same old scandals that will shift the focus off of their losing the White House again. Republicans need to change their approach...they need to offer solutions to this nation's problems instead of pointing the finger at those who disagree with them. Americans are sick and tire of the GOP approach, always trying to discredit the opposition by spreading half-truths. No wonder their approval ratings are in the single-digits.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" you do realize that until she was Secretary of State that she had no leadership experience. Then, as Secretary of State she showed her incompetence by leaving an ambassador in Libya when everybody was telling her that it was a dangerous situation.

Tell us how she is able to empathize with us commoners. She has an Ivy league education, and spent a long time as first lady where she waited on by government employees.

Did she have to campaign to be First Lady? Because that really isn't an accomplishment of hers, but is an accomplishment of Bill's.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

The GOP must really fear Clinton if they're already daily producing anti-Clinton pieces and finding the most awkward pictures of her. It seems like readers will be punished to read anti-Clinton pieces non-stop for the next 2 years along with the usual anti-union and public education nonsense.

My question is, why doesn't the dnews report anything about Swallow? Payday loan lenders? Corrupt legislators?

A corrupt local government is far more relevant than a possible Clinton presidential run in 2 years.

Henderson
Orem, UT

Real Mav is absolutely correct. I too find it funny that I've seen about 5 articles in the past 3 days about Clinton and zero articles about the investigations on Shurtleff and Swallow. In order to learn anything about them I have to go to the Trib or NY Times. Why? Locally, we have a very important election between a candidate that was smeared by the Payday loan lenders. They helped to finance the campaign for Dana Layton. I haven't read anything from the Deseret News about this. Yet, somehow the NY Times finds it relevant enough to report on it.

Why doesn't the Deseret News stick to local issues?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Hilary hasn't accomplished anything of note or value. She was Bill Clintons wife - she became a NY Senator mainly due to her celebrity status and she served as Sec or State and oversaw the Benghazi scandal. Listening to her on Fox News she really has nothing to offer other than the old liberal re-runs that have already been a miserable failure. Numbers don't lie.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Maverick

Re: "Compare her career to Mitt Romney's"...

OK. Romney was a Governor (not MARRIED to the Governor). A popular Republican Governor of a very Democrat State I may add. Being MARRIED to a Governor, or a President... is NOT an accomplishment that qualifies YOU to be President!

Palin never ran for President. But she was a Governor.

Senators don't need the same governing skills a Governor or a President needs to do their job.

IMO We should add a requirement for President that the candidate serve as a Governor first... so we can see if they have the management and leadership skills, and the ability to compromise... needed to govern and balance a budget, and make tough decisions...

The Senate is just a debate-club. They don't govern. They talk a lot and posture for the cameras, and campaign, and carry the party's water... but they aren't real leaders making tough decisions. They are party-followers. But struggle when put in charge, where they have to make the final decision on everything (not just talk about it and debate it for the cameras).

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

Redshirt: "as Secretary of State she showed her incompetence by leaving an ambassador in Libya when everybody was telling her that it was a dangerous situation."

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"There were 12 attacks on American embassies, consulates and compounds during the administration of President George W. Bush. In those attacks 60 people (excluding attackers) were killed, including 11 Americans....Embassy assaults have occurred throughout the 20th century and into the 21st, including incidents under Presidents Carter, Reagan, both Bushes, Clinton and Obama. One of the most notorious ones came in 1979 when revolutionary Iranians stormed the embassy in Tehran when Carter was president. The most deadly assaults came during the administration of Ronald Reagan. In 1983 a suicide bomber drove a truck loaded with explosives into a U.S Marine compound in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 241 Americans. There had been a warning. Just six months earlier, another bomber killed 63 people, including 17 Americans, during an attack on the U.S. embassy in Beirut. Reagan, whose calling card was "peace through strength," acknowledged that his administration had lacked the necessary intelligence to stop the attacks. "I think that terrorism is the hardest thing to curtail," he said at one point."

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

She was married to a great politician (but I don't know if it rubs off on you by being married to him).
She ran for Senate in New York and won (even though she's not a New Yorker).

Senators don't need the same governing skills a Governor or a President needs to do their job.

9:21 a.m. June 23, 2014

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She still IS married to a great politician.

2 for the price of 1

Presidents can't do anything without getting it through the Senate.

Being President after serving in the Senate is a HUGE assist.

Bbetter qualified than being a Govenor from Alaska, or egotistical Casino owner.

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