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Published: Friday, June 20 2014 12:35 p.m. MDT

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John C. C.
Payson, UT

Many women are aware of their glorious, exclusively feminine role as co-creators of life with God. They might feel demeaned by those who would have them look elsewhere.

Westland, MI

Ordaining LDS women of wisdom and knowledge as deaconesses per Romans 16:1-4 is the ONLY answer. In The Church of Jesus Christ (WHQ: Monongahela, Pennsylvania) we have done exactly that since at least 1862. We have ordained possibly a few 1000 such women/sisters since then.

Newport Beach, CA

"On the other hand, the church may hesitate to make changes to avoid appearing bullied or shamed by Ordain Women."

I devoutly hope not.

I would not like to think that the Church would avoid making changes that ought to be made because of fear of *appearances.* Do what is right, let the consequence follow.

Ontario, OR

If your Church membership and all of the blessings that stem from it, including temple blessings,are precious to you, why would you risk losing it all to speak against the status quo? Ms. Kelly is divorcing the Church over irreconcilable differences. She could have reconciled, but she wouldn't, knowing the divorce was inevitable. She made a choice of what mattered most. I am truly sad for her. And this DN article is right on. Ordain Women has done far more harm than good to the Church it claims to care about.

Syracuse/Davis, UT

Outstanding op-ed. Well thought out. Thanks for writing.

Maximus Veraces
Rexburg , ID

"What we do in life, echoes in eternity." - Maximus

deseret pete
robertson, Wy

The women of the church make a tremendous contribution in every ward and stake and in the general leadership of the church.They are essential to its success and ( I believe }, will continue to be a great asset to the growth of the church.Don't be mislead by a few detractors in or out of the church.If you have a Testimony of the church you will know and understand the score.

Huntington Beach, CA

I have served in several bishoprics. I have never known of one man who aspired or wanted to be bishop. So it's interesting to hear of the OW sisters who want to be bishops or stake presidents. And as for my experience serving in bishoprics, I can only say we valued the voice of the sisters in the church very much (ward council meetings, welfare meetings, etc.). My wife was relief society president for many years, and the bishop constantly sought her council and opinion. It almost felt like she was the third counselor in the bishopric. So for the OW crowd to say they don't have a voice? Really? I have a feeling these women were critical of the prophet long before this issue became public.

Huntington Beach, CA

"The Church is like a great caravan—organized, prepared, following an appointed course, with its captains of tens and captains of hundreds all in place.

What does it matter if a few barking dogs snap at the heels of the weary travelers? Or that predators claim those few who fall by the way? The caravan moves on.

Is there a ravine to cross, a miry mud hole to pull through, a steep grade to climb? So be it. The oxen are strong and the teamsters wise. The caravan moves on.

Are there storms that rage along the way, floods that wash away the bridges, deserts to cross, and rivers to ford? Such is life in this fallen sphere. The caravan moves on.

Ahead is the celestial city, the eternal Zion of our God, where all who maintain their position in the caravan shall find food and drink and rest. Thank God that the caravan moves on!" - Bruce R. McConkie, Oct. 1984 General Conference

Medical Lake, Washington

Perhaps I might also claim that my rights of equality have been violated when the bishopric of our ward was changed a year ago and I wasn't called as the new bishop. I am a high priest, I try to be worthy, but still, I didn't get called.

And that is fine. I am an organist and I love to serve as an organist and I report directly to the music chairman - a woman - and she makes decisions and I have no problem with that as I have witnessed her inspiration in serving in her calling.

Before any of us feel that we are not an integral part of the church because of our gender or some other reason, perhaps we might ask ourselves if we are not an integral part because we aren't contributing in ways that are best suited to us and as needed by the congregation in general.

Newport Beach, CA

"What does it matter...that predators claim those few who fall by the way?"

To heck with those losers. It's all about the ninety and nine.

Never one of my favorite talks. The thing about caravans: It's not enough that they keep moving. It also matters *where they are going.*

Hyde Park, UT

To: WI_Member
Appleton, WI

The author of the article states "On the other hand, the church may hesitate to make changes to avoid appearing bullied or shamed by Ordain Women."

Shouldn't the church make changes because it is the right thing to do, regardless of who gets the credit?

They will!!!

South Jordan, UT

In the laws of the land "sameness" is apparently the only measure of equality. But I'm so tired of being told that I'm not equal to a man if I'm not the same as a man. I am a woman. I am not the same as a man. I don't need someone with a degree in gender theory trying to convince me otherwise. Theocracy is a real blessing.

West Jordan, UT

Eileen Fullenwider
I am so glad that when I served as Relief Society president in my ward I was not required to sit on the stand during Sacrament Meeting! Who cares about all this recognition? Are we here to be honored or here to serve? There are a lot of people missing the point of the gospel when they go about asking for more respect and recognition. Just go out and serve!

colo spgs, CO

To Vince here,
I am not sure what you intended by your statement about the ERA, but the Church was in agreement with a majority of the population when it stated that the ERA was not the answer. A popular slogan of those days was "Equal Rights Yes! ERA No!" The reason for the opposition to the ERA, for both the Church and a majority of population, was the vague wording of the amendment. The Church made many statements supporting the equal rights issue itself, but not the specific amendment.

Several states adopted similarly worded amendments after the ERA didn't go through, and what ended up happening, especially in cases in Maryland and Pennsylvania, was that women were deprived by the courts of spousal and child support as direct results of ERA-type state laws. This is what the Church was speaking out against, as it deplores men that shirk their responsibility of providing for their children.

Colorado Springs, CO

I always find these kind of groups strange and illogical, where it's Ordain Women, some similar groups of Catholic nuns, etc. They claim to be faithful members of their faith, but they reject core tenets of their faith -- especially the divine inspiration of their leader(s). If any LDS person believes the prophet is, indeed, a prophet of God and that God directs the church, then they shouldn't be arguing vehemently with that God-given direction. Instead, they might encourage consideration or dialogue, but should save their hardest questions for God.

If, instead, they believe the prophet is just a man running a faulty organization on his own whims, then they should probably just admint it and join (or found) a different church.

Phoenix, AZ

It is said that JS was in favor of women receiving the priesthood and in fact gave it to Emma. So was he wrong, again.

Attleboro, MA

There are almost no women helping to decide church policies. There are very few women in higher positions of church leadership. Women don't even write their own manuals anymore. Our church has very sexist policies such as: A man can be married up to 4 women. A woman must have her first husband's permission to get a temple divorce. There are no women zone leaders. There are no women Sunday School presidents. There should be no reason why women cannot lead in these positions and be treated equally in the temples, which by they way they are not. Officiating is not the same as leading. Mostly women are treated well on a personal level. But any church "court" only in involves men often sitting in judgment of women. There is great room for improvement in these areas. Women should be able to hold their babies when being blessed. As of now they are not. Don't tell me that our church believes in full equality. I was taught as a youth in Seminary that I had to accept polygamy if I wanted to go to the highest degree of the Celestial kingdom. Has this changed?

John Locke
Ivins, , UT

The LDS women whom I have spoken to, are somewhat embarrassed by such a suggestion.

I know of a woman years ago who left the Church and joined NOW. She was married and had several children. My wife and she were clode friends. Inviting my wife to lunch one day, she tried to "convert" her to to her point of view. My wife basically told her that she had her own views and supported the Priesthood and the brethren she knew and loved who were an active part of it, just as she was an active part of the Relief Society. She told her friend that she loved her and that would never change, regardless. They never met again, as the lady would have nothing to do with my wife after that.

When the Church says it is an incorrect position, we both support that direction.

Sugar City, ID

Both men and women in the LDS church have promised to strive to build up the church. If I break that promise and continue to break that promise, and refuse to repent, it is a serious sin and the church has the right and responsibility to excommunicate me.

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