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Published: Friday, June 20 2014 9:11 p.m. MDT

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U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

I thought you feminists got all equal righted up in the 60's, so stop your whining and take it like the man you really want to be.

Sentinel
Ogden, UT

I applaud Ashley's essay and agree 100% with what she has written. Exactly.

manaen
Buena Park, CA

I'm puzzled: this far overstates OW affect on the Church.

A far lesser opponent was running his mouth at Muhammad Ali at their pre-fight weigh-in. Muhammad Ali ignored him for a while then turned to him and said, "If you every hit me, and I find out about it..." This is how I see the purported match between the restored Church and OW.

That's how OW's buzzing about in their self-importance strikes me. We've always had noisy apostates and we likely always will. For some reason, each edition prances about as if it were special, runs its course, and goes away. Is anyone still campaigning for Sonia Johnson and her issue?

Thats what I thought
South Jordan, UT

Another rock and a hard place situation- the Church did not have the OW group that tried to get into Priesthood session arrested, even though they clearly were protesting on the private property. So does this mean the angry men yelling about Joseph Smith can now protest their way all the way to the door of the conference center with no problems? If the Church now arrests the angry yelling guy, is it showing favoritism to these women over the angry men? Now the Church has to choose between inequality of treatment (which I am sure OW doesn't mind when it would be in their benefit) or having protesters all the way to the door of General Conference.

Chessermesser
West Valley City, UT

OW website has a lot of untruths. They are spinning the truth, not telling the truth.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Twin Lights, “I have known few members without questions or concerns of some kind at some point in their lives. Questions imply a seeking for divine answers”. True,

In(D&C 84: 6-17) the line of priesthood is given from Moses to Adam. verse 13, Esaias, who lived in the days of Abraham. Esaias is a Greek with priesthood authority. there are exceptions.
Modern N.T. translations haveIsaiah instead of Esaias,see(Romans 9:27,29 NIV,NET)..

Old But Not Stupid
Moorpark, CA

In the name of equality, compassion, and diversity Ordain Women probably support tolerance for some Muslims who make similar sounding political demands. I assume many of them are familiar with the works of Saul Alinsky.

The great irony herewith is the shrift these misguided ladies will get from the imposition of Sharia Law that changing demographics eventually will cause in the coming years. Imagine, men will be able to declare themselves divorced and the women will have to suffer behind their veils.

These women may want to be careful about what they pray for. The Lord just might answer their prayers with a most unappealing result.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Woolley: "Ordain Women also counterproductively makes ordination synonymous with equality."

But what other possible conclusion can there be? The converse of the statement is "lack of ordination [on the basis of sex] is synonymous with inequality." This logically clear as a matter of definition, unless the LDS Church wants to redefine "equality." It's fine if the LDS Church, like the Roman Catholic Church, wants to withhold or allocate church privileges and status on the basis of sex as a matter of interpretation of doctrine, just don't try to call it equality. "Separate but equal" is never equal. If certain people are denied certain benefits or powers, they are not equal, even if you maintain that they have "equivalent" different benefits. Just be honest and say, "We have an unequal system. That's the way it is. Deal with it." That's much better than trying to foist the charade of equality on us.

PamMeadows
Wilmington, NC

This article is absolutely right on the money. "Ordain Women" most certainly does not speak for me and because they think themselves somehow enlightened, a certain scripture comes to mind about when they are learned they think they are wise. They are neither wise nor enlightened only being lead astray down a path that will not end well for themselves.

Hospitality
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Message for Ms. Bilington: The caucasion males are not there to represent the membership of the Church. They represent Christ, who's church it is. Ordain Women should take their issues to Him.

Frank Fourth
New York, NY

"Whatever its original intent, it ironically demeans Mormon women as well as men and hinders progress on women’s issues."

And those issues in the LDS Church on which progress is needed would be exactly what?

Old But Not Stupid
Moorpark, CA

Laura Bilington
Maple Valley, WA

"Hiding behind the supposition that "Jesus only ordained men" is a cop out. Jesus didn't ride in a car or use a computer or (we assume) shave his beard. We do know that he preached inclusion--welcoming men and women, rich and poor. No one is claiming that he said anything about restricting representation to Caucasian males, or that women had some mysterious "purpose" in life which meant that certain roles would be closed to them."

Also, "We do know..." in addition to His not using modern technology that in His contemporary society women did not serve on the Sanhedrin or other governing bodies. Since you are a woman, I would have assumed that you are also aware of the feminine "....mysterious 'purpose' in life..." otherwise known as childbearing. That is a "certain role" that is surely closed to men in our society. When are we (men) going to be liberated?

Lastly, representation (whatever that means?) is not restricted to Caucasian males in the LDS Church. So many of us cannot see the point you are trying to make.

FanOfTheSith
Vernal, UT

Excellent job Ashley. Good for you.

Sam from the south
Washington, UT

I love, respect, and admire the fifteen men that most members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sustain as prophets, seers, and revelators. The collective wisdom and spirituality of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles is a great source of strength and inspiration. I have found, over my lifetime, as I read, ponder, and pray about what they have said and written that the Lord speaks to me personally, helping me with the challenges of mortality. I hope that I will always be found following in their footsteps as they sincerely try to do what the Lord would have them do. It always amazes me that some people, who claim membership in this church, think that they know better than these ordained Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Eileen Fullenwider
Tucson, Arizona

I believe there are several 'culture' changes that can be made to improve the image of LDS women. Why not changes the culture.
1. The R.S. president should sit on the stand during sacrament with the Bishop. The RS president should participate in interviews with female members. Women should present longer and more talks at General Conference. There should be RS councils from the General President in Salt Lake to local Stakes. Women need more women... The RS magazine was a great magazine...RS meetings during the week were great ways to keep women connected and the mother education and culture refinement meetings are well needed again. We don't need to always wear long skirts and denim and polyester. And crafts are not our highest priority. Change the culture and you change the conversation. I didn't say change doctrine, I said change the culture

LittleStream
Carson City, NV

I like the article, but I am having a hard time determining how there is inequality? I share in the priesthood every time I make a covenant with Heavenly Father. I have been sealed to my husband for time and all eternity through the power of the priesthood. I take sacrament every week and am grateful for the priesthood holders who pass it, including my son. I have the bishop, high priesthood holders, and stake priesthood holders consult with me about Family History questions and problems, as well as indexing questions and issues.

Someone tell me how I am being treated unequal? I sided with Women's lib in the 60's for a lot of reasons, mostly work related. But I just don't get this one. The only thing I would like to be able to do is be able to wear some of my nice pant suits to church, but don't because I have been instructed not to - and having seen some of the teenagers attire, I understand completely. Whatever President Monson directs, I will do. Ordain Women would do well to remember that. And remember who they are.

vcoll35
Rogers, AR

I appreciate this thoughtful response to the current situation. I find it ironic that some women in the Church associate ordination with equality. Church leaders have been addressing women's equality since the early days of the Restoration. Brigham Young said, “Priesthood is to be used for the benefit of the entire human family, for the upbuilding of men, women, and children alike. There is indeed no privileged class or sex within the true Church of Christ." Imagine a comment like that in the mid-1800's! Doctrines of the Church do not diminish women - they exalt them! I suspect that concerns about women's equality may stem from the Church's emphasis on mothers not working outside the home whenever possible. Only those who do not understand the value of motherhood and the importance of the work done at home would feel that this recommendation is demeaning to women.

USMCer
POST FALLS, ID

How can someone say they believe the church is the true restored Gospel on this earth and wake up one morning deciding he or she wants a major change in the institution of the church and will do just about anything to get it, to include activism? On what planet does that occur? if this were the Methodists who vote by council or the Baptists who pretty much do what they want, I'd understand it. But the LDS church has always said revelation comes from one source, and that doesn't mean some person who decides that's the way it's going to be after her morning bowl of Cheerios.

WI_Member
Appleton, WI

The author of the article states "On the other hand, the church may hesitate to make changes to avoid appearing bullied or shamed by Ordain Women."

Shouldn't the church make changes because it is the right thing to do, regardless of who gets the credit?

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ WI_Member

"Shouldn't the church make changes because it is the right thing to do, regardless of who gets the credit?"

Shouldn't the church stand by it's doctrine because it comes from God? The church is not a democracy and should not be influenced by outside activists, regardless if you believe if it's right or wrong.

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