Comments about ‘Ashley Isaacson Woolley: Ordain Women is not the answer on Mormon women’s equality’

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Published: Friday, June 20 2014 9:11 p.m. MDT

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keepamericafree
salt lake, UT

The church clearly stated that there is nothing wrong with asking questions. Asking is not the problem. The problem comes when you dont like the answer and you try to FORCE changes and cause a big stink when things don't go the way YOU want! I find it very interesting how when the ordain women group complained that they were at risk of excommunication, the media was all over it! But I have yet to see the churches response anywhere but local news. The media is only interested in the anti church news and wants nothing to do with the churches view point.

jliddle
Dayton, NV

It is inaccurate to attribute to Kate Kelly the "caricature of Mormon men and leaders as . . . 'cowardly and un-Christlike.'" She only used that language to describe the decision to hold her disciplinary council in absentia.

What an ironic caricature.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

Lovingly and thoughtfully stated.

DLC/Orange County
Placentia, CA

Here's an idea, why don't we just strive to serve others, perform those callings and responsibilities that we are asked to do, study, pray and listen with a contrite spirit to those who are called to lead the church. Too many have the idea that the church is some kind of democratic organization that we can petition for changes. Stop worrying about equality for everything. Women and Men and not equal, all men are not equal, all women are not equal. We are not and never will be equal to one and other. We are individuals with strengths and weakness. This equality debate is getting old, and within the church I fear will be a great distraction that will lead many to apostasy.

John Brown 1000
Laketown, UT

I appreciate this article.

I appreciate thoughtful statements on both sides of this issue.

Laura Bilington
Maple Valley, WA

"Ordain Women seems not to want to discuss but to impose, does not ask questions as much as claim to have answers".

Try that same sentence and substitute "The LDS hierarchy" for "Ordain Women".

Hiding behind the supposition that "Jesus only ordained men" is a cop out. Jesus didn't ride in a car or use a computer or (we assume) shave his beard. We do know that he preached inclusion--welcoming men and women, rich and poor. No one is claiming that he said anything about restricting representation to Caucasian males, or that women had some mysterious "purpose" in life which meant that certain roles would be closed to them.

Referring to lowering the age for missionaries as "addressing women's concerns" is laughable. Did you not notice that the lowered ages are still different for men and women?

ute alumni
SLC, UT

folks that don't like the church's position on issues ought to start their own and leave the rest of us alone

panamadesnews
Lindon, UT

Maybe Sister Kelly's comment applies to her own actions, as it interesting that she moved about the same time disciplinary action by the local Church officials was about to begin. The local leaders could have moved her records to her new residence ward, but the new area's local Church officials would have had to start all over with interviews, etc. She had the option to return for her Church disciplinary meeting, as well. Perhaps it was decided to go ahead if in fact she determined not to return for the meeting. If she had indicated to those local Church leaders that she would rather have the meeting with the Church leaders in her new location, I am pretty sure they would have accommodated her. Just my thoughts, as I only know what I have read. One thing I know, the Church will survive and become stronger for it and those investigating the Church will see Sister Kelly's actions for what it really is.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

There is a huge difference, between having a sincere question and asking for an answer. When you ask, you need to be prepared to accept the answer given.

The way you react to the answer, is an expression of your real intent when asking. We don't always get what we think we should get. Does that mean the adult way to respond is to hold candle light vigils chanting to people you supposedly love and care for? That is a bit creepy for me. Do you run to the media every time you have felt you were wronged?

The ordained women have written in their stance which embraces gay marriage. They feel all doctrine can be changed and should be changed by social pressure, by those who have not been given authority.

With that said not everyone embraced Jesus Christ when he was here on the earth. There were plenty that didn't like His doctrine then as there are now. Back then the solution was to turn him over to the people and authorities. They in turned crucified Him. Now dissenters feel they are entitled to do the same again today.

Kiboo
South Jordan, Utah

I find it disconcerting that some would pretend to dictate to a private organization how they should administer their affairs. People like Ms. Bilington and others appear to have motives that have very little to do with revelation and more to do with pushing their own personal agenda.

This is not the church of Ordain Women, it is the Church of Jesus Christ. If you don't believe that the leadership of the Church speaks on behalf of the Savior, maybe it is time to either humbly reconsider and change your position or find something more in line with what your believe system really is.

I thought this article was masterfully written and dead on as to the position of the Church and most believing members. If and when changes are appropriate they will come through the appropriate channels after the revelation has been received, not because of outside pressure from some self-serving individuals or groups.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Very well written. Thank you.

I have known few members without questions or concerns of some kind at some point in their lives. Questions imply a seeking for divine answers.

Where an individual or group decides that the First Presidency and Quorum of Twelve are wrong and that they are right, that is not a question. It is an answer. One that says that the individual or group knows God's mind and will rather than those called and sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators. If that group or individual then teach and promote that position, they in effect set themselves in the prophetic position and put themselves in opposition to those so sustained.

That this would lead to a disciplinary council should have been a foregone conclusion on the part of these folks.

lasaurus
Salt Lake City, UT

Whoa, tone it down. Kate Kelly didn't call all LDS men and leaders cowardly and un-Christlike. She called one action of one leader cowardly and un-Christlike.

Mikhail
ALPINE, UT

I am also weary of being referred to as a "mind-numbed, non-thinking, reactionary" member of the human race because I choose to believe in ways that aren't convenient or modern enough for those who choose to believe that they have a newer and better way of thinking. I believe because I do think, ponder and pray. I study. I try to listen to God speaking in my life. I trust that God has set apart a Church that, although administered by humans, is incredibly blessed with insight given through the Grace of God. I understand that God's ways aren't man's ways and am looking for greater light and knowledge, as I believe that to be the purpose of this life.

Might the world not be a better place if we were all accountable to a power outside of ourselves and refused to be victims because some times we get exactly what we asked for?

Lecapitan
Provo, UT

"What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself: and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same." -D&C 1:38

I don't want to criticize anyone in this ongoing issue. I will start off by saying that if the Lord revealed to, his mouth piece on the earth today, Thomas S. Monson that women of the Church were to receive the Priesthood tomorrow, I would have no problem excepting that. Remember this is the Lord Jesus Christ's Church and He is as the head. We ALL go through trials of faith and very personal struggles. And if we go to the Lord in prayer and in secret He will help us. Making a spectacle of a concern and bringing on media only gives ammunition that the media can twist and represent both sides inaccurately.

We are all equal in the amount of love the Savior has for us. He created us. Let him be your guiding strength in your trials of faith.

SLC gal
Salt Lake City, UT

She hit the nail on the head! Thank you!!!!

TheProudDuck
Newport Beach, CA

I appreciate that only a minority of LDS women have any interest in exercising Priesthood office. And I don't like the left-wing idea that people who don't hold left-wing beliefs that are supposedly in their best interest are suffering from "false consciousness."

That said, since people are different, it is rare for there to be anything near unanimity on anything more controversial than whether the sky is blue. Therefore, whenever, among a group, there is near unanimity about something, it is reasonable to question whether there are tendencies in that group's culture that inclines them to have the ideas they believe they are supposed to have.

LDS women know that they're not supposed to want to hold the priesthood, and so they don't. Some of them would not in any event. Others might. The mere polling right now, though -- ignoring the cultural tendencies towards conforming with what the powers that be ordain -- really doesn't say much about how people would think in the absence of those pressures.

Elizabeth Cohen
Bolton, UK, 00

I was raised in the church from the age of 8 when my family joined. I studied seminary, institute and served a mission. I was never undermined by any leader because of my sex. I was never treated differently from the males around me. I was valued for who I was. If I had questions I was actively encouraged to ask them, to study and look for the answers and ultimately to pray to know the truth and growing up I asked a lot of questions.

I am currently inactive. I'm the one stopping myself from being active. It's my choice. I admit I'm imperfect and my faith isn't very strong but at no time since I became inactive have I ever felt that the church wasn't true.

Ordain Women are wrong and show a clear lack of understanding of the doctrines of the Church. I am not hiding behind any supposition. I know the Church is true. I believe that the Church is being led by on-going revelation. Thomas S Monson is a prophet.

I am saddened that as members of the church those belonging to Ordain Women don't know these things too.

Harrison Bergeron
Holladay , UT

The underlying assumption of the Ordain Women bunch is based on an erroneous belief. They think they can change who gets ordained to the Priesthood the same way they would change a department store's return policy on a dress (or pant-suit perhaps) they don't like. Arguing with the clerk will get you nowhere in this case. The manager cannot help either.

You have to go to the owner in this situation. And the owner is God. They have his direct line, if they will use it. But they should understand that what they are asking is for Him to rethink His entire creation. It is like asking him to change which gender has babies. Of course, with God, nothing is impossible. However, it would seem like a more reasonable request to ask God for understanding about why He did things the way He did.

Vince here
San Diego, CA

Sounds strangely reminiscent like when the Church pushed against passing the ERA because "the ERA was not the answer."

Since the ERA, have there push other alternative pushed forward? Sometimes, alternatives, as uncomfortable as they make some people feel, can be addressed, investigated, talked about.

erwad
whoville, UT

I don't agree with the OW cause or methods obviously the author of this article doesn't either - however the title of this article seems to inadvertantly admit an inequality exists. Right? I by indicating that OW is not the 'answer' on Mormon women's equality seems to recognize there maybe an inequality or problem to be solved, even if it isn't through OW. Freudian slip :) ??

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