@ PG #1 FAN - Lindon, UT - "Missions do hurt but if you get the reputation
for not working around the mission service then you will lose most every kid in
Utah. They will grow up hating Utah before they are old enough to know better.
That would be a really bad move. The best option would be to discourage it once
they are signed."Translation: "It would be better if we
deceived LDS athletes who sign with us yet still want to go on a
mission."Nice.Of course, you'll say otherwise,
but saying one thing while all along intending to do something else is
"missions destroy athletes for the most part. All the "great" LDS
athletes never went on missions"U-Pac:So I guess
you're not ready to put Paul Kruger and Sione Pouha in the "great"
category, just yet, huh?
@UteTrogU have it all wrong and must know very little about KT and
how likely he would've been OU's starting QB last year, were it not
for his broken foot....If U can locate it, there was a poignant interview w/KT
on ESPN700 a few months back which would be enlightening for U to listen to.
UteTrog,or maybe, possibly, he wants him to do well because he actually cares
about him. He's invested the last 4+ years recruiting and coaching him, I
doubt something as petty as "my conference is better than your
conference" is his foremost concern.
Tomahawk Red, Yes, I admit that his conservative style of protecting a lead is
frustrating as a fan. That was the one good counterbalance I thought the team
had the year with Norm Chow; even when the defense knew a play was 95% likely to
be a run, he had enough creativity to keep them on their heels enough to give
the play a chance. Hopefully Christensen will bring something like that to the
table, or be given the reins to not be forced to run conservative in that
situation. I think the latter is much less likely, though.
Of course Stoops wants him to do well. If Utah does well in the PAC, then it
only makes the Big 12 look better "Check out our third string quarterback
doing awesome in the PAC, another reason why the Big 12 is better than the PAC
12." At least that's what I get out of why Stoops would want to see him
succeed. If he comes to the PAC and tanks, then it makes the PAC look better
because "A Big 12 quarterback couldn't handle PAC 12 caliber
East Coast UteStorrs, CTOkay. Well I'm willing to concede
that I don't know. I just go off what I see on camera.For
example, after that bumbling loss to ASU, hearing Whittingham claim that the
offense played aggressive in the fourth quarter just about made me fall out of
my chair.I hope I am wrong. But that would then leave unexplained
why the team seems completely mentally unprepared for so many games.
Tomahawk, you obviously have no clue what Whitt is like on the sidelines, in the
locker room, on the practice field, or really any other place than without the
camera on him. And that's fine, I wouldn't expect you to if you
haven't had any personal interaction with those situations. But having been
around the team in the past few years and seen those things, I'll just tell
you that your assessment couldn't be further off the mark. He's cooled
off in front of the cameras a bit since his whole "accountability"
speech regarding the former Wyoming coach, but on the field, in the locker room,
and anywhere else interacting with the TEAM, he's just as fiery and intense
as he ever was.
Stringer BellHenderson, NVUtah, their quarterbacks, and Coach
Whittingham will be just fine and have another exciting season playing relevant,
Pac12 football with big time teams coming to Utah. How's that alliance
thing coming?----------I couldn't disagree more.
U-PAC is spot on with his remarks. Whittingham has so far shown us that
he's having a ton of trouble winning in this league. And if he produces
another losing season this year, he should be fired. Period.And I
wouldn't exactly call the last two seasons anything close to relevant Pac
12 football. Too many embarrassing losses and uninspired play to qualify as
U-PACIt gets tiring watching my beloved Utes throw away wins through
lack of fire in their leadership. ------------Very well
stated. That's exactly right.The fact that Whittingham
doesn't seem to have any fire whatsoever in his leadership of this team. He
doesn't show it on the sidelines during games. He doesn't show any
before the games, and he doesn't show any after games... even when Utah
plays like garbage.It really ticks me off when Utah has an
embarrassing loss (take your pick over the last few seasons) and I listen to
Whittingham postgame and he sounds like he's not even remotely upset. How a coach acts and what he says when a team has fallen on its face is
a good indicator of the type of leadership he has. If Whittingham doesn't
get upset after such losses, it communicates to the players that it's
acceptable. And when you think about it, that sure seems to explain the
lackluster, uninspired football that we've seen out of this team over the
last three and a half seasons.I want something else.
U-PACThe only guy that has real potential to be a legit, PAC caliber
QB is Chase Hansen-----------Sorry but I don't see
it that way.There are several who have "potential." Although
the only one who has shown on the field so far that he could be a good Pac 12
quarterback is Travis Wilson.
He is just probably glad he opened up a scholarship spot for a quality player.
The utes can have the leftovers.
@U-Pac: I'm curious as to what your obsession with Hansen is? So far, I
read an excellent article about Dres Anderson and you brought up Hansen (an
as-yet untested college QB) and now this article. I'm interested to see how
he does off of his mission, but we have another year before that is even a
possibility, and we have a few QBs that just may surprise some people.
SoCalUte:I too happen to be very interested in seeing what Manning
can do, and am excited that he's a part of our team. Now I'm not
saying I hope Manning ultimately gets the job. I'm just saying I like what
he brings to the team -- a good, accurate, pro-style arm. As for "who"
will ultimately start for the Utes...it doesn't matter to me. Just as long
as that guy legitimately beat out all the other challengers.Personally, I think that will be Wilson, but if anyone proves to be better,
I'd still be happy with that situation. I'd be ESPECIALLY happy if
our starter remains healthy throughout the entire season for the first time
since 2008. Still, with the health issues we'd been seeing at this
position, I think the most likely scenerio will be us seeing multiple signal
callers at various points in the season, so it's good that we have a
Wilson, a Manning, AND a Thompson heading into the most challenging season in
Utah Football history.GO UTES!!!
UPac, you should be more concerned with your own coach and quarterback at BYU
and not pretend to worry so much about Utah's.You don't think
Coach Whittingham has much personality? First, who cares and second, compared
to another coach in this state that you follow, he's Mr. Personality.Utah, their quarterbacks, and Coach Whittingham will be just fine and
have another exciting season playing relevant, Pac12 football with big time
teams coming to Utah. How's that alliance thing coming?
Coach Stoops and Sooner fans are happy for Kendal. They speak highly of his
character, understand the QB situation in Norman, and are glad to see him get
another opportunity.Contrast that to here, where a freshman-record
holding quarterback is derided for a "bad attitude", and many
"fans" still hoping for his failure years later.
@U-Pac,"There are exceptions of course, but I would rather see
my beloved Utes amass a collection black kids that have the talent and speed
that truly does make "the"m difference"That exactly
right. Well said.
All of you guys obviously haven't seen Conner Manning play in a real game
situation. I watched Wilson, Manning and Cox all play in High School in
California... Here is the break downWilson is tall and see over the
linemen and can move a little bit, but not fast enough for college. His accuracy
is only average.Cox is fast and can run away from most defensive players.
He is mostly a running QB and has average accuracy.Manning is not as big
as Wilson or Cox, but he is the only QB on the Hill who can go through his
progressions, and make the right decision. He is calm in the pocket an has the
accuracy that very few QB's in the PAC12 have.On several occasions in
high school, I saw him throw a pass to a receiver who's toes were on the
sideline and was covered by two defenders and manning threw the pass where ONLY
the RECIVER could catch it. He is not real fast, but is quick and can get out of
trouble when he needs to.
Jon Gruden at the u. That's just flat out the funniest thing I've read
since Chris B and her friends were declaring national dominance in the first
half of the NIT game against St. Maries.I'd personally like to
see Kendal Thompson do well for the little red engine that could.
@U-PACWhat is your basis for saying Travis Wilson isn't a
PAC-12 QB? INT's? I think Travis played very well last season
before he injured his hand. Yes there were a lot of INT's that were
ultimately piled on his shoulders. I put a lot of the blame on the receivers. If
you recall, far too many of last year's INT's were passes put on the
money that bounced off the receivers hands/chest, or were because the receiver
sat back and waited for the ball to get to them instead of going and getting it
like they're supposed to. Wilson is a good QB. Hopefully our receivers have
learned how to go get the ball and have softened up those stone hands.Also, the O-line MUST improve it's protection over last year. It's
hard to throw accurate passes on time when you're running for your life.That being said, I am looking forward to seeing KT to come in and give
TW some good competition.That pressure and competition will only make them
both better.Can't wait for August!!
@East Coast - Fassel wasn't recruiting Pac 12 talent because we
weren't in the Pac 12. Apples and Oranges my friend. Watch and learn,
we'll be doing less and less of the Mormon mission thing as time goes on.
Note, I never said never, just that it will be less. And that's a good
The mission program, which Ron McBride nourished and grew, is the main reason
Utah turned the program around. To have a successful program Utah must recruit
and sign the best in-state players. Last time I checked Paul Kruger went on a
mission, and Chad Lewis was a 3 time pro bowler. U-Pac, don't forget our
roots and what built the program. Making it in the NFL is tough, going on a
mission doesn't hurt your chances, luck and timing are the key factors in
making an NFL roster, everyone has talent when you get to that level.
Hadley, yeah? How'd that philosophy work out for Jim Fassel?
@ U-PACYou are flat out wrong abut Hansen. He belongs on defense,
which is where he will play.
Missions do hurt but if you get the reputation for not working around the
mission service then you will lose most every kid in Utah. They will grow up
hating Utah before they are old enough to know better. That would be a really
bad move. The best option would be to discourage it once they are signed.
U-Pac - I agree that missions make it difficult to know how kids will be.
I'd prefer we start going after fewer and fewer of the lds kids who want to
go on missions. I want kids who are committed to bringing Pac 12 titles to Utah.
If a kid is committed to a mission - fine. Everyone can choose for themselves,
but missions do not help guys get better. There is enough talent we're
starting to land, that we'll be relying less on the lds mission kids as we
I think K Whit is moving things along just as we need him to. Its sometimes
hard to recognize the improvement due to the schedule difficultly, and while
that doesn't mean we accept anything less than competing for the Rose Bowl,
lets not be short sighted. We're going to surprise some teams this year.
Go Utes! Lets rock the Pac 12 this year
U-PAC,I'm hoping that Travis picks up from where he left off when he
broke his hand or that Kendall breaks out this fall. I agree that Whit tends to
play not to lose. I remember the anguish he displayed over Urban's
aggressive offensive calls. Those were the days, though. Go Utes.
@ U-PACChase Hansen is still on his mission and won't be available