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Published: Wednesday, June 18 2014 10:15 p.m. MDT

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LouisD
Las Vegas, NV

To Y Grad / Y Dad:

I first proposed a Bowl Agreement to Barry Trammel about two weeks ago now and in much the same fashion as he has been discussing it. I found it interesting that he came out with three articles on the subject and spoken on at least two radio programs regarding it after that. I don't really care if he wishes to credit others. I do know the idea is a god one.

I specifically proposed that one, two or three of the P-5 Conferences would be wise to establish a scheduling agreement with BYU. The payback is simple. After the usual $1 million cost to attend payment, BYU proportionally splits major bowl revenue with those P-5 Conferences 50-50 just like USC, Texas or Michigan would have to with their respective leagues. So if BYU has six regular season games (1xB1G, 2xPAC, 3xB12) games and earns a $25 million gross bowl payout, it gets $13 milion, splits $12 million ($2MM>B1g, $4MM>PAC and $6MM>B12). Those three conference might not field 2 BIG-Bowl Teams in a given year, but if BYU is the replacement, THEY AL WIN! SEC & ACC LOSE! Trammel obviously liked it.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Getting a 5 game scheduling agreement would be tough. Instead, try to get a 2 game scheduling agreement from every P5 conference.

That would put 10 P5 schools on the schedule, which would qualify BYU to call itself major. It would provide opponents from coast to coast, retaining the exposure BYU wants. Even if they could only get agreements from 4 conferences, eight P5-level games is better than any past/future BYU schedule.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

In fact Provo is ranked in the top 10 of best places to live in the USA on almost every list or ranking you can find including #1 on many. Provo just finished 2nd in voting for best city and place to live in the entire country this past week beeting out every other city in America other than Duluth.

I don't recall SLC being on ANY lists of "best" places let alone EVERY list.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

In fact between Provo and Orem, where BYU and UVU are located, there are close to 70,000 students that have elected to live there and go to school. utah has what, around 20,000 in slc?

when close to 4 times as many students elect to live in Provo instead of slc....well that say's plenty about what location is prefered by more people.

The truth is slc is not a very nice place to live or visit. Sure it has some attractions but it is crowded, hard to get around, nowhere to park, filled with panhandlers, frankly I avoid it like the plague unless I have something very specific to do there most of which either involve business or church activities. Going up to the university of utah is a nightmare of no parking and hard to access.

Sorry but on location the university of utah fails miserably in comparison to Provo. Unless you want bars I guess although getting a parking spot near any of those is pretty much a nightmare as well.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

These comments have become absolutely pathetic. Here's hoping that the Big12 leadership read every one of them to...you know...get to know byu and it's fans.

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54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Where is Tulsa on your list of "Best Cities to live in" ?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Highland, UT

@uteology and 2fer

Well considering that almost no one is turned down on an application to utah, that utah has a smaller enrollment, that utah has less graduates, that utah take 1000's of students that were rejected by BYU but BYU doesn't take any that were rejected by utah, that BYU has more applicants than it can ever take, that utah has a falling enrollment and isn't even the largest public university in the state, and really I could go on and on but that is probably enough to prove the following point.

More people want to attend BYU even though its entrance requirements are much more stringent.

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Is BYU trying to get into the Ivy League, I thought this was about Big 12?

I wasn't aware we were having a debate of scholars I thought it was about why student athletes would choose a school. Hence, I listed Utah produces MORE NFL talent AND provides a quality education in several nationally ranked programs of study.

You need athletes, in particular African-American athletes, Salt Lake isn't a top destination of choice for such athletes but Provo is an afterthought (ask Jamal Williams).

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@uteology

Uh...Jamal Williams did chose Provo and BYU over not just utah and slc but also Oregon and Eugene among others. Usually if you are trying to make a ppint, even a false one as you just tried to do, you need to reference something that actually...you know....makes your point.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

U-PAC
Rowlett, TX

"Sir, the U is a PAC caliber school and ranks, in terms of academia and curricula, at a level that BYU will never be able to compete with."

Props to you, U-Pac. Well said! The facts you cited are certainly on the radar of the Presidents and Chancellors of the Pac-10 and a key reason that the University of Utah was extended an invitation to the elite conference.

As for byu, the Pac-12 is well beyond its reach. Sadly, byu and its fans create their own reality and will continue to claim superiority even while on their knees begging the Big12 to recognize them for...well...something.

Go cougs!

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

PG #1 FAN
Lindon, UT

"Education? Please... what is the average ACT Score for an incoming Freahman to BYU and what is it for Utah? 28 to 23. Average GPA in High School."

High school? Are you seriously bringing high school into the byu / Utah spitting contest? LOL! Memberships to an athletically and academically elite conference are, as you should now be aware, NOT simply handed out. As noted above, Pac-12 standards are well beyond the reach of byu so keep begging for the Big12.

It was well worth the effort to find this comment from PG #1. Thanks again, U-Pac.

xam
Provo, UT

Duckhunter said, "BYU football played in a bowl game this last season, and the season before, utah's did not"

Duckhunter, why don't you tell us the SOS for BYU and Utah football for the past 2 seasons. And who won the head to head over the last 2 seasons? Care to include any of those relevant facts in your analysis?

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

LouisD "I first proposed a Bowl Agreement to Barry Trammel about two weeks ago... Trammel obviously liked it"

Please read the Trammel articles. All articles talk about scheduling regular season games only. None of the articles talk about your idea (bowl agreements). Lafe Paevler, author of the article in the Deseret News interjected that it would be nice if BYU also got a bowl agreement. Peavler may like your idea, but Trammel is not discussing it.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Duckhunter

@uteology

Uh...Jamal Williams did chose Provo and BYU over not just utah and slc but also Oregon and Eugene among others. Usually if you are trying to make a ppint, even a false one as you just tried to do, you need to reference something that actually...you know....makes your point.

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First, look at your roster and count the number of African-Americans, if you can count the total on one hand, you are irrelevant.

Second, I said "ask" Jamal Williams: "You can go to the regular schools, like BYU, somewhere that’s not really known about."

"[Family/friends] wondered why he would choose to attend an LDS school in Utah...They like that I’m doing great things here and showing all of the high schoolers back home that you don’t have to go to the most popular school to have a big impact on the team. You can go to the regular schools, like BYU, somewhere that’s not really known about, and you can make a big impact."

Source: Deseret News

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Duckhunter

30,000 students live in the Pullman-Moscow area up North. Does that make it a better place to live than SLC, or do people just go there to get a degree and then leave?

Also, you are dead wrong about SLC being a poor place to live or visit. If you think it's crowded and hard to park downtown then you need to get out of Utah country and visit a big city sometime. Downtown SLC is wonderful because compared to virtually every other big city (outside of maybe Seattle and Portland), it is very clean, safe, and it is incredibly easy to get around. Most things are in walking distance, and if not, there is a free train that will drop you off outside the door of wherever you need to go. Which is another solution to the paring, if you don't feel like using one of the 33,000 public parking spots provided downtown.

To each his own, but it's a shame that you aren't able to enjoy Salt Lake City because it is a great city to live and work in.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@noperspective

"Memberships to an athletically and academically elite conference"

LOL! We are talking about a conference that has washington state, arizona, arizona state. oregon state, oregon, and utah in it. Nothing about any of those institutions is "academically elite".

LOL!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

In all sincerity - I hope BYU can pull something off with the BIG 12. While I am in no way a BYU fan - at all - having BYU in a much better situation than they are in now only helps the state and the other programs. Face it - Savannah State at home in November is just embarrassing. A lot more BYU fans are coming around to the realization that independence is NOT the answer.

Good luck! Work it out!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

JDWVU
Charleston, WV

You say that there the Y would not play any team two years in a row, but you have them playing TCU twice in both years 2 and 4. Hmmmm .... are we talking football or basketball?

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

LouisD:

Are you seriously suggesting that BYU would earn a "gross payout" of $25 million for any bowl game? The BCS Championship game this year only paid out $18 million per team. Where are you coming up with your figures?

MapleDon
Springville, UT

This is news and people are talking about it...in Utah. Not much interest elsewhere. And, no, the Big 12 isn't thinking it over because it isn't a win-win for them. BYU wants to be with the big conferences, not the other way around. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.

Big 12 members do not want to share their $220 million with BYU. Period. And they're happy with their current members and have no plan to expand. BYU does not bring enough to the table to make the conversation worthwhile.

Next story...

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@noperspective

"Memberships to an athletically and academically elite conference"

LOL! We are talking about a conference that has washington state, arizona, arizona state. oregon state, oregon, and utah in it. Nothing about any of those institutions is "academically elite".

Continual denial of the high status of the University of Utah as U-Pac pointed out doesn't make your wishful thinking some kind of alternate reality. Utah was judged and found worthy to join the most elite group of schools in the country many of which hold a prominent status in the world (like Utah as U-Pac noted). Further, you obviously don't know much about the Arizona schools.

Utah, not byu, was asked to join that elite group of schools. Accept that fact and move on.

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