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Published: Wednesday, June 18 2014 10:15 p.m. MDT

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Highland, UT

ute "fans" are definitely suffering over this. The fact is utah has only one thing they can try to hold over BYU and that is that they are in the PAC12. utah "fans" cling to that one shread of relevence and lash out at any suggestion that BYU may be attractive to a conference.

Personally I like independence and would prefer BYU stayed independent if they could somehow work out some improved access to the bigger bowls and the playoffs. If they could get some sort of scheduling agreement that would help them to do that then that would be my wish, increased access but maintain independence.

BYU does not need schools far greater than itslef to prop it up and give it relevence, it has those things all on its own. But it has become apparent that it does need a way to improve some of its scheduling and its post season tie ins and perhaps something like this can do it for them while maintaining a course all its own.

But the absolute fear that puts into utah "fans" is hilarious to behold. lol

Lifelong Ute
Salt Lake City, UT


I'll add that if you've ever lived outside the Utah bubble, you'll know that people equate Utah with the LDS church. So like it or not, what University of Utah fans do and say very much will be linked directly or indirectly in others minds to Mormons.

For me, its sad you bring this argument up day after day(yes we've all noticed you are obsessed with it). This goes way past any religion though. I want our university to be the classiest in the country. I want us to be known as having the best fans. I want us to be the best football team. I want to be respected and to respect others. We wont get there by cowering away from responsibility and deflecting elsewhere. All people everywhere, religious or not, sports fans or not, Utahs or not, should be great people. Being a good person is hardly solely a religious concept. Lets not be hypocrites. Playing the religion card to demand of others what we don't demand of ourselves(and other Utah fans) is pathetic. We're better than that.

Go Utes!

Highland, UT

Now the reasons why utah "fans" fear this is a whole nother subject. For one the only thing utah has to offer recruits that is even a remote advantage over BYU is its membership in the pac12, especially LDS athletes. Without that claim there is barely a quality LDS athlete that would even consider utah over BYU and if BYU were to get an alignment or a membership with an equivalent conference then utah would have nothing to offer thos athletes.

utah has already proven it cannot compete with the top schools in the pac12, or in any "power" conference for that matter, for top recruits, the only thing it can possibly hope to have an advantage for is LDS recruits and even then they have to fight, and generally lose, to BYU for these kids. If BYU gains this sort of alliance then that small scrap utah has to offer disappears completely and that frightens utah "fans" to the point of suicidal tendencies. That is why they become so "frantic and emotional" when the subject is brought up, especially when it is brought up nationally.

This possibility is a nightmare for utah "fans".

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Brio

Conf. wins matter. Wins over BYU really do not in the whole scheme of things.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Steven S Jarvis

"BYU is a major program that brings relevancy to the table, not a mid major program that happens to play in a major conference such as Utah."

Comments like this are just sad, and they reek of jealousy. 4 in a row. 9 of 12. I will never understand claiming superiority to a team that you haven't even held a lead on since 2011.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Duckhunter

"ute "fans" are definitely suffering over this. The fact is utah has only one thing they can try to hold over BYU and that is that they are in the PAC12."

Is that really the only thing? Allow me to remind you: 4 in a row. 9 of the last 12.

As for recruiting. It's a minor concern. The two schools don't go head to head over "that" many athletes.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

"Gotta luv how our little friends from the north are panic stricken every time another article on BYU to the Big 12 comes out."

I have to laugh whenever some panic stricken Y fan tries to project their fear of being left out of the field of relevancy onto Ute fans. I mean seriously....what do WE have to panic about? WE'RE already IN a Power 5 league. YOU guys are the ones whose own head coach was practically on his KNEES....BEGGING the Big 12 to look their way. And then, a couple of days later, the Big 12 came out and said they weren't interested in expanding. And the only reason why they said that was because they wanted to make it clear -- to the Y specifically -- that after all these years, they still weren't wanted. And that explains YOUR panic; not OURs. We're good, all comfortably nestled into the Power 5's top revenue conference.

Highland, UT


Yes that is the only thing, name one other thing utah has to offer that is anyway better than what BYU offers? Location? Nope. Quality education? No. LDS affiliation? Uh uh. Better legacy? Not a chance. Better facilities? Sorry, no. Bigger fanbase? Please. Better exposure on tv? Laughable.

Look I'm not saying some kids might not prefer utah over BYU but the pac12 thing is really the big draw. Previous to that utah almost never out recruited BYU for instate or LDS recruits, it simply never happened other than on rare occasions. If that one advantage disappears it will return to BYU dominating for those recruits instead of the semi closeness there is now.

Omaha, NE

Lifelong, Duck, and Sports are Great:

You fail to cognitively recognize what I am conveying. It is simple and I will try to simplify it even further. First, I have never excused Utah fans behavior, let alone Utah fans who are LDS. This has never been my platform, so Duck you need to get off of your hypocrisy statements. Second, I have, and I will stand my position as I have lived outside of Utah most of my life, BYU is the school that people outside of the state of Utah see as representative of the LDS faith and NOT the University of Utah. Third, I have constantly emphasized that where much is given much is required, and those BYU students, which I was at one time, who are blessed to attend this prestigious university need to and have an obligation to represent their faith (see #1 before you comment about Utah fans). Finally, and I agree, all people of all backgrounds have an obligation to act and behave in a civil and peaceful manner, I have never said that they don't, so again, any hypocrisy argument lacks merit or reason.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA


Utah had been outrecruiting the Y since 2008. That's BEFORE we joined the very elite conference you all had been pretending to have been in secret negotiations with since at least the 1980s. So as far as recruits go, even IF the Y succeeds in their pipedream of affiliation with, or all out membership in, the Big 12, Utah would still most likely outrecruit them. But good luck "pretending" you'd finally overtake us. That "make believe" world is really all you've got. Afterall, the Big 12 had "Fully Rejected" you so many times, some of us are starting to lose count. Let's see now...you were "Fully Rejected" in 1995, and again in 2010, 2011, and 2014. So that's 4. Does anybody remember if the the cougars were also "Fully Rejected" in 2012 and/or 2013, or was it just those 4 times?

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT


You seem to think the LDS kids are the key to our future - they're not. In fact, we're moving more and more away from having LDS kids make up the bulk of our program.

There will always be a handful we want, but more and more we're going after kids in Texas, California, and other hot beds. You can keep the majority of the LDS kids, we're not that interested. A team full of Utah boys isn't going to lead us to Pac 12 titles. And that's why they are becoming fewer and fewer on our team.

Layton, UT

Utah's winning record vs byu football didn't start when Utah joined the PAC 12.

Little Pete
South Jordan, UT

"My dad can beat up your dad." "Well my brother can beat up your dad." "My uncle could beat up your brother"......sound familiar

Little Pete
South Jordan, UT

"You're my little brother" "Well I'm bigger than you" "That's just because your hair stands off your head taller" "Well I get better grades than you" blah blah blah.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Duckhunter

Location? SLC > Provo, and it's not close. Quality Education? Debatable. I've seen rankings that have Utah for above BYU. Facilities? Utah blows BYU away. I recently was given the opportunity to work out of BYU's training room, and it was laughable how far behind Utah's it was. On that same note, athletes at the U have unrestricted access to the best orthopedic doctors in the state through the UOC. Also, there is a great LDS culture on Utah's campus and the institute is extremely popular.

I agree with your point that the PAC-12 is a huge draw for recruits, but it's silly to pretend that Utah doesn't have any merit on it's own.

Charleston, WV

I am the WVU fan that propsed the scheduling alliance to Berry Tramel. I do not believe an outright option to be part of the B12's bowl lineup will ever be in the cards. That said, in a case where - such as last season - the B12 may not have enough bowl eligible teams to fulfill its commitments, I think BYU could be a candidate to be an alternate to fill a bowl for the B12 assuming the aforementioned were the case. A sample 4 year B12 schedule for BYU would be...
Year 1: @ Texas, Oklahoma State, @ WVU, Kansas, @ Baylor
Year 2: Oklahoma, @ TCU, Texas Tech, @ Kansas State, TCU
Year 3: Texas, @ Oklahoma State, WVU, @ Kansas, Baylor
Year 4: @ Oklahoma, TCU, @ Texas Tech, Kansas State, @ TCU

Never the same B12 team 2 years in a row, which keeps the games fresh and interesting. Just football, no additional partnerships or memberships like Notre Dame in the ACC. I think that plan is one that the B12 could come around for.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

I grew up in Utah, spent a few years away, working, in Georgia and another in Denver (2000-2001). Of everyone I met in both places only the Florida State alumni I worked with in Georgia even brought up BYU. And that was because BYU was on the schedule that year. Everyone else I met first asked if 1) I was Mormon and 2) if I skiid. That's it. I'm sure the questions might be slightly different 14 years later but questions about BYU Football would be sparse still. For that matter, internationally I've mostly been asked about skiing and Moab. BYU isn't on the radar like people think.

Having said that, in the football world BYU brings credibility even if the past decade hasn't been all that great. The BIG12 might be onto something to boost their lower tier schools' SOS by having them schedule BYU more often, thus pushing the better schools SOS up in the conference when they beat these lower schools. Doesn't sound like a dumb idea, and I'm sure ESPN can have influence there as well.

Lifelong Ute
Salt Lake City, UT


No, you've been quite clear. You can tell the Provo boys how to act but no one can tell you how to act. That is hypocrisy. Don't get me wrong, I'm embarrassed when byu fans throw trash and act as they shouldn't. But it would be hypocritical of me to expect byu fans to act differently than I expect myself and other ute fans to act.

As for your whole "much is given much is required" you must think that attending byu is the pinnacle of "being given"

Have you not been given much?

I've been given much as a member of the LDS church. I've been given much as a former student of the University of Utah. I've been given much due to my degree I earned at the U. Doesn't this mean much is expected of me? Sure does. Lets not be hypocrites and focus on others. Really, why don't you just include all fans in your admonishments? Its not as if you're precluded from calling out all bad fans and you had to pick one fan base. Lets be better than that.

Lifelong Ute
Salt Lake City, UT


"What I take issue with is the fact that some BYU fans/players do not realize that their words and deeds do in fact represent a faith "

Your do too pal. Members of the LDS church represent the LDS church. This is not complicated. If you are an LDS person you represent the LDS church. Frankly its embarrassing you're singling out byu fans or students (of whom not all are even LDS) as representing the LDS church without recognizing that LDS church members(utes included) represent the LDS church. Lets not be hypocrites.

Provo, UT

I like the idea! Do it!

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