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Published: Wednesday, June 18 2014 10:15 p.m. MDT

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truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

if you cant beat them, join them oh wait...

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Regarding Bowl Tie-ins, a big question (and I am unwilling to spend the time to research it) is did the Big 12 have more bowl tie-ins than bowl-eligible teams?

Assuming the answer is yes, then BYU could secure one more bowl game for the good of the order. If BYU shared in the bowl tie-ins, one would assume they would also share in the bowl dividends. That MAY not net the conference any more money than holding pat.

For BYU as well, a share of all bowl dividends may not equal all bowl revenues from even a lower bowl. Again, I am only hypothesising. Someone who really cares could look it up in a few minutes I'm sure.

As for the season, I would think that BYU can bring more money and more exposure to the conference, and a scheduling agreement is like a pre-nup: if either party doesn't like it, don't renew it.

Johnny Moser
Thayne, WY

Still not sure why BYU doesn't have a game series with Army. That can't be so hard to pull off.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA


So should BYU spend some of it's ESPN revenue to gain a slightly better schedule and an all-important foot in the P-5 door? Seems like a good deal if you can get it, with or without bowl tie in.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

"The Cougars wouldn't need to rely on such an agreement to create solid schedules. Just look at the 2015 schedule with games against Nebraska, Michigan and UCLA"

Playing Nebraska, UM, and UCLA is nice but it's only thee games, all of which are on the road. The rest of the 2015 schedule isn't that impressive, not to mention BYU has 5 home games scheduled and 7 on the road. A scheduling agreement would be huge for BYU because it would help stabilize the schedule and it would help bring quality teams into LES on a regular basis. Not to mention, it would be the first step to becoming a full member of a P5 conference.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

Johnny Moser

"Still not sure why BYU doesn't have a game series with Army. That can't be so hard to pull off."

Actually, that would be much harder to pull off than you might imagine.

The service academies are loaded with "traditions" that leave little room for adding new opponents.

new york, NY

Liked the article about scheduling games with the Big 12, it would benefit both parties. What disturbs me is the Utah source basically saying that Boyd K Packer was one of the reasons BYU didn't want the Big 12, or athletics on church owned properties. Hope the source was wrong.

Enid, OK

Article quote: "So, does it make sense for both BYU and the Big 12 to come to some sort of scheduling agreement? Tramel lists two main reasons in his latest article why such an agreement would be good for both parties. In brief, Tramel believes a scheduling agreement would allow the Big 12 schools to get to know BYU better and vice versa. Tramel even compared this to "dating and marriage" in his interview with BYU Sports Nation. Second, Tramel states it would give the Big 12 better games."

Did you catch that?

"Better" games.

Ha! Ha! 99% of Utah fans would try to have outsiders believe that BYU couldn't beat half the junior high teams in the valley.

Oh, well....let 'em believe what they want.

Go Cougars!

Enid, OK

@ Johnny Moser - Thayne, WY - "Still not sure why BYU doesn't have a game series with Army. That can't be so hard to pull off."

In my opinion, I don't think playing Army on a regular basis does anything for BYU. In case you haven't noticed, Army isn't such a hot team. Playing them does nothing but give an almost guaranteed win for BYU and Holmoe is trying to get us on to the big stage permanently. Army doesn't do that. Navy is one step above the Army, it seems, but even that isn't quite the directio we want to go.

Springville, UT

More media attention anyone? Say it isn't so.

What has Bronco started now? Obviously, he's part of a BYU media mastermind group. After all, BYU does have an international TV presence. Does that count as national as well?

Seems like the frequency of these articles is gaining a little more momentum each passing week. Another sad day for the 'local kids' on the public access channel at East High.

Better schedule, better games, conference tie, or even a conference membership coming soon.

I love my little church school insignificant independent conference membership!

Mission Viejo, CA

I love this idea. There is no downside that I can see, for B12 or BYU.

BYU brings 4 or 5 ESPN games to teams seldom on TV. BYU brings a great venue to B12 visitors. And BYU bring a stronger SOS (usually) to the games. Sure they can beat you, but this seems like a no-brainer for B12. Literally, how much more $$$ would BYU vs Oklahoma State bring vs OSU versus North Texas?

For BYU, it opens up a whole new region in which to recruit. For B12, it would be worth a million or or, I'd guess.

Lets do this.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Y Grad / Y Dad

I believe it all comes down to how many Big 12 teams reach 6 wins. Most years they fill the slots, but some years they don't. It seems like every year there is at least one conference that can't fill there spots. The down side is that the bowls they can't fill are the low tier ones. Hope all is well guy!

Big 12 Call Yet?
Ogden, UT


Of course it does.

But who cares what makes sense for byu?

Its what makes sense for the Big 12 that matters.

And why would the Big 12 would to have a large agreement with a mid-major?

The Big 12 can go get any mid major they want, whenever they want

Central, UT

Yes, BYU can be the travel partner to West Virginia...invite coming soon. You do realize that this is a pipe dream of sports writer and not any university president nor even athletic director...right?

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

This article epitomizes the "world revolves around BYU" attitude of BYU fans and their media lapdogs.

"Does a scheduling agreement with the Big 12 make sense for BYU?" Of course it does. The real question that a real news outlet needs to ask is, does a scheduling agreement with BYU make sense for the Big 12? The answer is a resounding no. The Big 12 can schedule any mid-major any time they want.

If the Big 12 wanted BYU, they would have invited BYU to join a few years ago when they had a million chances.

Alpine, UT

The simple fact that "BYU possibly joining the Big12" continues to be a hot topic around the national sports world says a lot about how relevant and significant BYU actually is in the overall scheme of things... much to the chagrin of some the local anti-BYU rivals.

If BYU was just a mid-major, as some of those local anti-BYU people like to extol in their tirades, this topic wouldn't continue being such a hot topic. But it does.

"Big 12 Call Yet" asks the question "And why would the Big 12 want to have a large agreement with a mid-major?

Obvious answer: They wouldn't. If BYU wasn't considered a major player and upper-tier program in most of the sports world, this article and this discussion wouldn't even be taking place. But they are and so it is.

Even if this conference marriage doesn't end up taking place, the national attention it's already garnered from just the possibility of it happening is worth a lot to BYU. It has solidified and verified the significance of BYU on the national scene.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

More blue cool-aid from a BYU fan/writer. The Big 12 doesn't need a scheduling agreement with BYU it really has very little up side for them. Why would say a school like OSU, ISU, Kansas, TTU, TCU, and West Virginia want to give a Big 12 bowl slot to a BYU team that only has to win two or three Big 12 games and six or seven second tier mid major games to be eligible? Why should the Big 12 want to have a scheduling agreement with a team that is begging to play them anyway? Why would the Big 12 want to share any of their TV revenue/exposure with BYU? If independence is so great why would BYU want a scheduling agreement? Could it be that ESPN has let BYU know that they will not renew a BYU contract without some hope of having a quality opponent rather than most of BYU's pathetic schedule? In the new era of college football strength of schedule counts. It also counts for TV viewers and ESPN knows it. I guess BYU vs. nobody U football is better than a rerun of poker or pool as filler material.

Price, Utah

Joining the Big 12 would serve one function. It would show Aa and ASU that they screwed up way back when the jumped to the PAC 10. They could have waited and had a V8. Big 14, nah, they have to settle for the PAC 10+2:0

Salt Lake City, UT

A scheduling agreement with the PAC12 makes sense, more than one with the Big12. BYU should be repairing its relationship with the West.

The biggest fantasy in the article:
"ideal scheduling agreement would include access to the Big 12's bowl tie-ins." Thought to be deserved because Notre Dame has that with the ACC, and - as we all know - BYU is the Notre Dame of the West. Please!

I hope BYU wouldn't demand bowl access as part of their well-known "difficult to deal with" style. If the Big12 doesn't want to expand and include BYU because that would mean less revenue per team, WHY would they want to share bowl revenue with BYU?

Ute fans would LOVE to see "5 Big12 + 3 PAC12 + Boise". Right now, BYU fans are like a Jazz fan in the cheap seats yelling about a missed free throw. "Its easy! That's why their called free!"
Its different when you're in "the game". BYU would struggle, just like UU and TCU did when they were called up to the majors.

Layton, UT

The P5 are only interested in scheduling agreements with each other. Go Utes.

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