To the author - condolences on the passing of your loved one - please pass on to
your kids as well. God Bless y'all.
RE: Craig Clark. When Paul preached in Athens, the elite thinkers said,
“He seems to be a proclaimer of strange deities,’—because he
was preaching Jesus and the resurrection. And they took him to the Areopagus,
saying, ‘May we know what this new teaching is which you are proclaiming?
For you are bringing some strange things to our ears; so we want to know what
these things mean’” (Acts 17:18–20).The Athenians
would not have referred to his doctrine as a “new” and
“strange” teaching. If dying-and-rising gods were plentiful in the
1st century, why, when Paul preached Jesus rising from the dead, did the Elite
not remark, “Ah, just like Horus and Mithras”?The claim
that Jesus is a copy of mythological gods originated with authors whose works
have been discounted by academia, contain logical fallacies, and cannot compare
to the N.T. Gospels, which have withstood nearly 2,000 years of intense
scrutiny. The alleged parallels between Jesus and other gods disappear when the
original myths are examined. The Jesus-is-a-myth theory relies on selective
descriptions,redefined words, and false assumptions
sharrona,"....The primary reason why we can reject the idea that
Christianity borrowed from ancient mystery religions is that the parallels
simply are not there...."______________________________A
book I highly recommend is The Story of Christian Origins by Martin A. Larson.
Judaism and Christianity are both substantially influenced by religions of Near
When we lost our twin daughters after their premature birth, it was a great
comfort to read the testimony of Joseph Smith that we would be able to raise
them in the resurrection. Several of Joseph and Emma's children died soon
after birth, or within a few weeks. Joseph knew the reality of God the Father
and Jesus Christ, conqueror of death, and had spent many hours in the presence
of a resurrected being, Moroni. In the company of others he met ancient
prophets and apostles. His faith in eternal life was not wishful fantasy, but a
stark reality, affirmed by those witnessses.
RE: Tyler D,Death and Resurrection. Jesus answered them,“Destroy this
temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It
has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in
three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body. After he was
raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they
believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. (John 2:19-22).
Versus,The Buddhism (Zen) question “the sound of one hand
clapping”, belongs to a long tradition of those who systematically used
such insoluble riddles and paradoxes in their spiritual guidance.RE:
Smitxxx, Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.( Heb 11:1) Verse 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds=(time ,G.
aion)were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made
=(receive being, G. ginomai) of things which do appear.(Heb 11:3). Creation Ex
Nihlio. God who gives life to the dead and Calls into Being things that were
not.(Romans 4:17 NIV).
I'm so sorry to read about your loss though I'm glad you have enough
of a source of strength to help carry (certainly doesn't remove) such a
painful burden. I pray this is the case for the rest of the family as well.
To add to the above, I have my own reasons for being drawn to faith in Jesus
Christ, and holding to that faith. I don't always share them publicly, and
I understand that Church leaders might feel inclined to do likewise. But if you
are going to hold yourself out as a "special" witness of the Savior,
your faith must have some fundamentally different characteristic than an
ordinary person's, such that your testimony is inherently more reliable.
That's where the expectation of foundation may properly come in.
1.96 Standard Deviations: "How can you disregard such witnesses?"An attorney would answer "Lack of foundation."Before
a witness's claim to know a thing can be admitted into evidence, there must
be a foundation laid to show the basis for his knowledge.An example
would be a person who said your car ran a red light. The necessary foundation
that must be laid for that testimony is evidence that he was standing near the
intersection and saw you.The testimonies you quoted are indeed
powerfully phrased. They would be even more powerful if the foundation for
their knowledge were laid. The Apostle Paul laid the foundation for
his testimony: He recorded how he saw the risen Lord. So did Joseph Smith.
When was the last time a Church leader did?
Each time Dr. Peterson writes, we can expect some sort of counterargument from
"The Scientist," "Tyler D," and others similarly disposed.Whether to believe or to doubt are choices we make. Faith is "the
substance of things HOPED FOR, the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN." Hope is
the antecedent, and also a choice we make. Hope shows where our hearts are.
Some hope for power, money, pleasure or fame; others hope for "a better
world, even a place at the right hand of God," and "through the
atonement of Jesus Christ and the power of his resurrection, to be raised unto
life eternal," together with their families. Without the choice
to hope and to believe, faith will not come, and one will never receive "the
evidence of things not seen." Like Dr. Peterson, I have made
the conscious choice to hope and to believe. As a result of these choices, the
evidence continues to mount, to my satisfaction, that the unseen things I hope
for are true. And it has produced fruits in my life, and in the life of my
family, that are priceless--especially at the times of greatest trial and
I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. I want to add my heartfelt
condolences to those that have already been shared. Take care.
@Verdad – “With all due respect, the last sentence of your comment
above suggests that you respond to Dr. Peterson's columns without reading
them”Essays and articles typically make their case in the body
section with the conclusion simply summing up their views. With that in mind,
yes, I did not read closely his last couple paragraphs and missed the fact that
his granddaughter passed away. For that I sincerely apologize.My
comments here have always been motivated by a desire to participate in the
marketplace of ideas, and not to make personal insults and certainly not to
revel in someone else’s pain & sorrow.Again, I made a
mistake and am sorry for any pain I caused… Dr. Peterson, you have my
deepest sympathies.@sharrona – “CS Lewis likened these
pagan resurrection myths as God giving “good dreams” to the
world.”I agree with CS Lewis. The only difference between us
is I think they’re all myths while he thinks all except one are myths.
We never truly know what we believe and what we will hold to no matter what,
until we go through something like this--as Joseph Smith said, "That pulls
our very heartstrings".God bless you and your family, Bro. Peterson.
RE: Tyler D. The primary reason why we can reject the idea that Christianity
borrowed from ancient mystery religions is that the parallels simply are not
there. There is always some borrowing from the culture of the day for various
reasons, but when it comes to the key doctrines of Christianity–especially
the death, burial, and Resurrection of Christ—the so-called parallels are
not very striking.CS Lewis likened these pagan resurrection myths as
God giving “good dreams” to the world. A sign pointing forward to
the myth become fact. In his view even the pagan religions point to Christ.Philostratus is the source for of Apollonius where the Bible is
multi-sourced. In other words, we have different writers writing about Jesus.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, etc.@Belief: But can unborn babies
believe? Not by themselves, just like you and me. It takes a work of the Holy
Spirit to make that happen. ( II Samuel 12:23) Suggests He might, “now
that he is dead,… I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”
(I Cor 7:14) Suggests He might and John leaping in the womb at the presence of
Christ (Luke 1:41)
Tyler D.: With all due respect, the last sentence of your comment above
suggests that you respond to Dr. Peterson's columns without reading them --
or at least that you did so in this particular case.But that's
not why I'm writing. There was a note from Professor Peterson on his
Facebook page last night indicating that he's going to be looking at the
historical evidence for Christ's resurrection -- the specific topic that
you raise above -- at BYU Education Week in August. I thought that maybe you or
somebody else here might be interested in that.
We will sorrow for losses, even knowing the end will be glorious. This is
especially true when losing a baby.
Bro Peterson, I am so sorry about the loss for your family and our
friends. Your son and daughter-in-law are in our hearts and prayers. We will do
everything we can to love and serve themmin a way that is helpful to them.
Dr. Peterson,May God bless you and your family at this difficult
@1.96 Standard Deviations – “How can you disregard such
witnesses?”Quite easily actually…Regarding
ancient history there are numerous stories of people being raised from the dead
(e.g., Apollonius of Tyana, Cleomedes, Glycon, Asclepius, etc…) and for
those living at that time it would have been unusually to NOT believe in this
(given the widespread belief that the dead ascended to the clouds… why
wouldn’t some come back?).Also, the gospels were written
decades after the events when the proselytizing mission was in full force, so I
hardly consider them solid evidence.As to modern visions, these are
also ubiquitous in world religions. In fact you can go to India today and hear
accounts of Biblical-type miracles and god-men walking among them.The better question then is “why don’t any of these stories
inspire similar feelings of religious awe and devotion in you (yet they do for
millions of others)?”I do not fear death either which likely
baffles you, but it should make you wonder why. PS – I
apologize if the timing of my comments were in poor taste (was not aware of a
personal tragedy here).
Death comes to us all. Sorrow shapes our hopes and wishes but it can not alter
the inevibility of the reality of truth and the grace of mans search and
understanding of accepting truth and reality.
Tyler D:It is quite a bold thing to declare life ceases to exist
with mortal death considering the massive amount of witnesses there are of a
resurrected Jesus Christ. Consider some modern-day witnesses of a resurrected
Jesus Christ. 1) "I am a witness of the Resurrection of the Lord
as surely as if I had been there in the evening with the two disciples in the
house on Emmaus road. I know that He lives as surely as did Joseph Smith when he
saw the Father and the Son in the light of a brilliant morning in a grove of
trees in Palmyra." -HENRY B. EYRING, April 2013 General
Conference, “Come unto Me”2) "Joseph Smith and
Sidney Rigdon recorded the following after a sacred experience: 'And now,
after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony,
last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him' ... Their words are my words." -BOYD K. PACKER, April 2014
General Conference, "The Witness"How can you disregard such
Tyler D:It is the exact opposite. Mortal life has much more meaning
when one knows that Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead. A resurrected Christ
means life is not over when we are dead. I also don't fear death since I am
prepared to meet God when I die. I have repented of my sins, been baptized and
am striving to endure to the end of my mortal life being faithful to
Christ's gospel. I look forward to my own resurrection, and
also the day when I am brought before God for the final judgement. The gospel
gives me confidence that I will be held guiltless and forgiven at that time, and
then I may enjoy eternal life in God's presence together with my family.
Dr. Peterson,I have been reading your column for several years and
have never made a comment until now. First, I want to say many, many thanks for
all of the energy and time you give to write these regular columns, which have
given substantial spiritual nourishment to my soul countless times, and have
also been appreciated by many of my friends and family with whom I've
shared them over the years. My heart aches for the loss that you and your family
have experienced over these past few days. There are no words by mortals
sufficient to fill the hole in the heart created by the loss of a loved one.
Over the coming days and weeks, may you and your dear family feel with great
power the strength of the Savior's words, "Blessed are they that mourn:
for they shall be comforted."All my best,Cheryl M.
“Mortality offers happiness and sweet satisfactions, but also deep
disappointments, intimidating obstacles and — sometimes — almost
unbearable sorrows that pierce like a knife.”Here, and in the
subsequent T.S. Eliot quote, Dr. Peterson touches on the underlying motivation
for all religions – fear of death.We can either come to terms
with this fact – as many secular people and even some religions (e.g.,
Buddhism) have – and not let it keep us from leading happy, fulfilling
lives, or we can continue the strategy of our infantile ancestors of making up
comforting stories about gods, deities, afterlife etc. and “desperately
want it to be true.”I prefer the real world over the
Matrix-like fiction of mythic religion…
Thank you for your inspiring article, and my condolences to your family.
Every day in every way, I'm getting better and better. Negative energy can
not effect my mind, body or spirit. I have a friend in Jesus and I accept life,
the way to the wisdom and the truth. I will protect my liberty and I will pursue
happiness. But by the Grace of God go I. I'm more than enough. These are my words I say to my self over and over to reprogram my mind to
move. The world will keep going. you have to keep moving.
Sometimes we see things more clearly through the tears in our eyes and sense
life more acutely through our aching hearts.
The loss of our infant daughter tested my LDS wife's faith more than
anything else she has encountered. She was handling it quite well until Church
the Sunday following the burial of our little one.People stood up
and "testified" that god loved them and, as proof of god's love, he
saved their infant from death. Others testified that, although they lost a child
(or loved one), they were blessed with "spiritual experiences" and
"blessings" of various kinds.The hurtful implication for my
wife was that god did not love her (us) enough to provide the miracles that
others experienced. Or that god found her (us) too unworthy to qualify for a
spiritual experience or blessing.It is still a very touchy subject
for her to this day.
Dr. Peterson, my heart is touched deeply by the events you have so beutfully and
touchingly written for us. My heart goes out to you and your family. Would
that I could do something. Thank you for sharing such a personal event. It has
generated deep feelings of love for you and your family, none of whom I know.
It also has generated a throbing hope in my soul that the tomb really was left
empty. I know that the little, but no less sacred spot of ground into which the
earthly remains of your precious granddaughter will be placed, will likewise be
left empty. "Sunday will come."
The loss of a child is perhaps the most emotionally devastating experience a
parent can ever have. Children are the essence of innocence...let's hope
they all have a chance to grow up as healthy, vibrant, happy, and responsible
So sorry to hear of your heartbreaking loss. God bless.
We had a similar experience with our newborn daughter 4 years ago. I am so sorry
for this loss, Dr. Peterson. We likewise experienced special spiritual feelings
during our grief.