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Published: Tuesday, June 17 2014 8:50 p.m. MDT

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bettercomments
Salt Lake City, UT

Here is my comment. Some societies have it more wrong than others. These guys have it very wrong. I hope the cops/federales don't give them an inch. I don't look forward to this summer in Heber now. I see them avoiding the mountain snow already by settling in at Walmart today.

My brother lived in Paonia CO after the 92 Rainbow event and residents had had a terrible experience. A temporary tax for more cops is the only way to handle it as other places have done with them in the past. Then go drag their broken down abandoned vehicles away once they've left. Watch the news.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I am betting Heber is thrilled to have the invasion of hippies especially with so many LDS girls camps going on in the same areas. Nothing like "exposing" a 12 year old girl to hippie life...literally. Yikes!! Forest Service officials better post some signs....no nudity, no drugs, no other forms of hippie debauchery....and ENFORCE IT!!!

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Wow - looks like the "Occupy Wallstreet" crowd has made its way to Utah now ...ready to occupy the forest for a week or so. Hopefully they will leave the forest cleaner than they left the city parks. YUK!!! Peace + Love + Dope!!!

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

This brings back memories of my childhood. I grew up in the deep south in Mississippi and Louisiana. Everyone was Southern Baptist except for the Pentecostals, and many of them went back and forth. Now and then a group would come through from a church "out west", at least that's where my mom told me they were from. Preachers would be handing out copies of The Godmakers and warning us for weeks in advance to stay away from these people. They were violent, had a bunch of wives, some of them had horns, and they were known to do things to little children.
But when I disobeyed the adults and I actually met the Mormons they weren't really that bad. They didn't even have horns. Later in life I even moved out west where those people were from and married one of them.

dmcvey
Los Angeles, CA

This gathering happens all over with no problem. Why is it such an issue in Utah?

bearfoot
silver city grant, NM

patriot & brave sir.... you need to do a little reading about rainbow gatherings.... even a glance at previous events and you wold know that the rainbow people spend a great deal of effort to leave the gathering site BETTER than when it began.... ignorance is NOT bliss !

bullet56
Olympia, WA

A national forest is for the citizens of the nation, not just Jesus loving locals. Every gathering cleans up after the event and the "extra" costs associated are off set by the taxes charged for the increased commerce in the community, such as gas, foods, some gear. Don't worry, the forest will survive better than if it were just logged over, or suffered a forest fire. I believe what really galls the local community is that some folks don't value money as they do, and can use their time on earth to enjoy something that can't be bought.
Jealous that these Americans are more free than the locals. Free to love who and when they choose. Free to wear funny cloths or no cloths at all, just as God made them. Free from shame and guilt about modesty. Free from egos that regulate, dominate, and educate. These are Gods kids! His Family, under his rainbow.

Monsieur le prof
Sandy, UT

Why are they allowed to come in and control this area for such a long period of time? Isn't some kind of permit required? If it costs half a million dollars to have them camp there, why not charge them some kind of fee to offset the costs?

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@bullet56

That was funny. You are right, national forest are for everyone. Who are you talking about when you reference Jesus loving locals? What is a Jesus loving local anyway? Please tell me how taxes off sets the "extra" cost? Please explain how a government and or state tax offsets any cost associated with this? When there is additional cost for things on government lands, taxes gets increased to offset cost. It is not applied only to those who caused the extra cost. The people who are there have to pay for it twice, taxes and burden.

And no, it has nothing to do with dealing with someone who doesn't value money, and uses the earth for enjoyment. Nobody cares if they feel more free than locals. Nobody cares what kind of clothes they wear. If they are naked, well then that becomes a legal issue and yes I think most would have a problem with that. To use "shame, guilt, and modesty" in the same sentence, I am not sure I get that. And what is wrong with education? But I give it to you. You made me laugh, thanks!

bearfoot
silver city grant, NM

...monsieur le prof meet( read !) bullet56 !

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Patriot, you have no room to talk.

I seem to remember a certain lds boys scout group in goblin valley doing damage to a million year old rock formation. The damage they did was 100 times greater than the damage done by the rainbow family.

By the way, did the big guy lose his disability check? He clearly wasn't disabled. He should have to work for his money.

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

DesNews, Denied, How? Direct quotes of others approved.

@wwookie - Why is a "Silly Mormon Group", why not a Baptist, Presbyterian, or other faith group. Or is your comment just an attack on the Mormon faith, by calling them silly. Other faiths are here in Utah as well who do missionary work as well. Just curious.

@dmcvey - The thing is, they do not always go off without a problem. That's why it is a problem here, or anywhere. It's not that the whole Rainbow crew is bad. They have a few bad apples who make them look very bad. I've come to learn the same warnings take place every where they go.

@bearfoot - You're right, a little reading about rainbow gatherings, previous events would be helpful. You will find that in some instances they have done well with cleanup. In MORE instances you will find they left the place a mess, Ignorance is NOT bliss!

@Mister J - Another attack on some of the LDS faithful and BYU. What does it have to do with the Rainbow Group again?

This has nothing to do with Mormons. This is the Sheriffs and the Forest Service that is doing this.

Something to think about
Ogden, UT

I feel bad for the people in the Heber City area!

Groups such as the Rainbow Family present one image, but portray a totally different one!

Good Luck Heber valley.

Downtime
Saint George, UT

If the picture is any indication, there will be piles and piles of garbage left behind. And that is just one "vehicle."

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Using the logic of many here, let's outlaw all Boy Scouts groups in goblin valley for the acts of a few irresponsible adults, right?

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@bullet56

"Don't worry, the forest will survive better than if it were just logged over, or suffered a forest fire."

I love love love strawman arguments like these. The worst kind of strawman argument is the one where someone implies that "if (a) doesn't happen, then (b) will certainly happen" while ignoring other, far more likely, possibilities. Guess what? There are more things that can happen to a forest than either being trampled by free spirits or being logged. Therefore your implication that if the Rainbows don't come then the forest will certainly be logged or burnt down is disingenuous. More than likely the forest will just continue to exist, an outcome your strawman argument discounted.

Personally, I would prefer it continue to exist without piles of human feces laying around, without polluted streams and aquifiers, and without used needles strewn about.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@dmcvey

"This gathering happens all over with no problem. Why is it such an issue in Utah?"

5 minutes on Google will make you wish you could remove this post.

Brio
Alpine, UT

@ dmcvey and bearfoot and bullet56:

If every gathering cleans up after itself, it's not nearly enough to offset the absolute mess the locals encounter after every gathering... no matter where they go.

My cousin works for the Forest Service in that area. So I'm speaking on good authority.
In spite of your contentions, the last time this group was in Utah 11 years ago, it took several weeks for the Forest Service to get the area even close to as clean as it was beforehand.

There are many Rainbowers who camp far enough away from the main group that they don't bother using the portable toilets and leave a lot of unburied human sewage. Very disgusting.

Even though the local population temporarily doubles, the crime-rate during that period usually quadruples.

And the extra taxes collected during their stay doesn't come even close to off-setting the extra half million dollars in law-enforcement and Forest Service costs.

It's difficult to find locals who will admit to enjoying having them come. In fact, there are almost no positives involved. As such, your defense of this group is downright laughable and mired in ignorance.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@The Real Maverick

"Using the logic of many here, let's outlaw all Boy Scouts groups in goblin valley for the acts of a few irresponsible adults, right?"

Apples to oranges comparison. The Rainbow Family coming here is the SAME group that has destroyed other wilderness areas. Boy Scout groups in Goblin Valley are not the same ones that knocked over the rock formation. I would have no problem with banning the group that did the damage from being allowed back into Goblin Valley, but that's not what you're advocating.

Also, Boy Scouts tend to have the proper permits, ensuring that the area's infrastructure can handle their (quite small) numbers. You won't get the same thing from the Rainbow Family.

Now, are there any other silly arguments I can blow out of the water?

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

The Gospel According to St. Matthew, Chapter 7, Verses 1 and

Seemed appropriate.

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