The tea party wants someone that jumps when they shout and yell.
You had me at 'Hatch Shouldn't".
@Star Bright 9:18 a.m. June 18, 2014. . . , Furry, 1993 - there is
one great man who is recognized country wide and that is Sen Mike Lee. Thank
goodness we have a man of his caliber in office from Utah. So you can vote
for your dem, I will campaign for Sen Lee.-------------Sorry to burst your bubble, I'm not a "dem" and I don't
automatically vote for "dems" although, if there were a conservative
Democrat running against an extreme far right fringe dweller like Lee, I'd
vote for him in a heartbeat. Someone of Lee's "caliber" -- someone
who would put the country down the tube to further his extreme policies rather
than work together with others for the good of the country -- is the absolute
last thing this country and its people need. Give me a true conservative (i.e.,
a moderate who is in the mainstream of the political spectrum) any day. People
of Lee's "caliber" will destroy this country. We deserve better
than someone like Lee.
@Star Bright 9:18 a.m. June 18, 2014However, Furry, 1993 - there is
one great man who is recognized country wide and that is Sen Mike Lee. Thank
goodness we have a man of his caliber in office from Utah. So you can vote
for your dem, I will campaign for Sen Lee.-------------------Sorry to burst your bubble -- I'm not a Democrat. I'm a
moderate mainstream Republican, and a moderate mainstream Republican is what I
want for the Senate. Someone of Lee's "caliber" -- someone who is
so busy expressing and trying to enforce his extreme far right positions that he
lets the country go right down the tube -- is what is wrong with this country.
For the good of Utah and the United States and the people of the state and
country we need to get Lee OUT and get a decent, sensible and honorable Senator
in place. Jon Huntsman Jr. would be an excellent option, provided the
Republicans fail to show common sense and nominate him for President (if he is
nominated there is a very good chance that he would win).
Read the comments carefully. See who calls others hypocrites. See who uses
multiple identities to get more than four comments. See who directly benefits
from government spending, who works for the government, who would be crippled
his check didn't come from the government.Hatch may not be the
best person for the job, but he is not a liberal who votes to get votes. He
stands for something, which is much more than can be said for those who call
anyone who don't agree with government sponsored welfare
"hypocrites".This nation will not survive if people who vote
themselves a paycheck by voting for those in Congress who vote to buy votes.It doesn't matter whether someone lived in Utah all their life or
for just a few years, those who look to government for their mortgage payments
and for their groceries do not understand what freedom requires. No one who is
concerned only for his own paycheck understands what it means to stand
independent of government.
Bits: One of the reasons that both parties have a difficult time holding their
people in line is the demise of pork (earmarks). The leaders can no longer
promise a new federal project to secure votes on legislation that is considered
"difficult" by the members. If there is a chance that they will need to
explain a vote to hostile constituents, they want to be able to talk about what
they got for their vote. Hence the new representative can quickly have more
clout than in the past as the power of the leaders has diminished.Hill AFB is still open because they have always finished high in efficiency
rankings from the base closure commission. Congress only gets to vote up or down
on their recommendations and cannot add or delete names from the list. Bishop
and the two Senators like to take credit for keeping it open, but really it is
the call of the Air Force whether it stays open.
@Grover,IMO Term Limits are a great idea. But it only works if ALL
States have term limits. That's why we chickened out. We
voted on principle. But then we looked at it practically.. and Utahns were
convinced that it was only going to hurt Utah if only Utah did it (and people
like Hatch, Bennett, and Hansen told us Hill AFB would close, We wouldn't
have anybody on any of the big committees, it would basically be the end of the
world), so we chickened out.The practical side eventually made it
clear that only UTAH would be hurt (no pork for us) if only Utah adopted term
limits.It may come up again. But it will lose again if it's
only Utah doing it. If EVERY State had to live by the same
rules... I think most Utahns would love it. Most Utahns are not
career-politician fans. They like a layman clergy, and a layman politico
system (not the elitist system it is becoming). But practicality tells us we
have to play the game with the other States... and not cut off our nose to
spite our face.
In 1977, why did Orrin Hatch make such a strong point of letting the public know
he was not in favor or politicians staying in office for more than a short
time?He ran his campaign on this issue.Check out the archive DN
political section prior to this election.
Bits: Two terms for either party just makes too much sense to come from Utah.
Didn't Utah vote term limits and then repeal them before they took effect?
Also I am pretty sure that Utah is one of the few states that allows politicians
to keep the money in their campaign fund when their time in office is up which
could be Orrin's reason for fundraising. Relection or retirement nest egg,
it's all good for the Senator.
@airnaut,Just trying to see if he wants to be consistent in how his
suggestion is applied... or treat Repubs differently than Dems.If
the logic works for Hatch (no Repubs can run for his position)... shouldn't
the same logic work for any politician? Is he special in some way?====If all Repubs should be prohibited from running (which is what
he suggested)... shouldn't the same logic work for other people, and other
parties... or was it only for Hatch, and Repubs)?Just trying to be
consistent with the logic (not one way for one party, and the other for the
other party).If logic can't be used consistently... it's
not logic.You see, logic works regardless of the person, or the
party. Rhetoric is different for one person vs another, or my party vs your
party. Just trying to see if this is logic based... or just partisan
rhetoric.=====How is this not on topic? We were talking
about Hatch not running (which is the topic) and GaryO's further suggestion
that ANY Repub be prohibited from running for his seat.That's
22 bitsCottonwood Heights, UT======== I'm
quite certain the reference is regarding Orrin Hatch in Utah.Please try
harder to stay on TOPIC, and stop deflecting the issue.DN monitor,
please keep an eye on this guy...thanks.
@GaryO,Re: "In fact, NO Republican should campaign for the US
Congress. It's time to give the Dems a turn"...Hmmmm...
Interesting idea. So... are you consistent? Are you proposing Dems re-elected
many times not campaign and let Repubs have a turn too? Or is it a one-way
street... just for your party?=======IF we're going
to be consistent....What about Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Barbara
Lee, Barbara Boxer, and the many inner-city districts that have been represented
by Democrats for years and years? No Dems allowed? Or does your tune change
then?What about Tedd Kennedy... the fourth-longest-serving senator
in United States history (47 years)... only replaced when he died.Or
Robert KKK Byrd... from 1953 to 2010 (57 years, longer than I've been
alive). He was the longest-serving U.S. Senator, until his record was surpassed
by U.S. Representative John Dingell (another Dem of course).Have you
noticed a trend here... Google "Congress by longevity of service"... The
top 10 are all Democrats.Are you SURE you want to play that game?
Consistently? With both sides having your proposed rule?
Mr Hatch should do as his conscience dictates. The people from Utah should
decide if it is another persons turn to represent them in the senate. The
constitution sets the limit of the term not the number of terms. The people set
these limits by showing up at the polls informed on the issues and the character
of the candidates. Because the electorate fails in it's duty does not give
us the right to cast guilt to those that serve.I
lost in DCWest Jordan, UTOpen mindedI would hope you
didn’t try to vote for him, Everett is in Washington, not Utah. Are you
admitting to voting in the Utah elections while living in WA?========= I grew up in Utah.Orrin Hatch was first
elected when I was here.It was 1977.The Vietnam war had recently
ended.The first MRI scanner is tested in Boston. Jimmy Carter was
President.The World Trade Center Twin towers were completed.The
Apple II computer was first sold.Moved to Seattle for over 22 years,
raised my family, and moved back to Utah 8 years ago to be closer to care
for our elderly parents, children going to college and working here, and
be close to our grandchildren.But, Guess what? -- Orrin Hatch is
STILL the Senator from Utah!An entire lifetime and then some.BTW -- I've had this DN account for almost 10 years.Tell me how to update it, and I will.
Gary OYou say it is time to give the Democrats a chance in the
House? Who are you Rip Van Winkle? Did you just wake up or something. The
Dems had the house since the time of Pelosi and Reid taking control in Jan 2007.
And look what happened with 2 years of lame duck Bush, and then 2 years of
Obama, Pelosi, and Reid running the show. Trillions of dollars of added debt.
More people dependent on government and not being encouraged to work but use
food stamps. A continuing stagnent economy. A health care plan forced on
people with false promises, and to this day not popular. And on it went. Is it
any wonder that the House went Republican in 2010? The American people may
elect Democrats to run things. But they will not trust them to run everything.
Otherwise the Republicans would still be out of power in the House and not
looking to win the Senate this November.
Open mindedI would hope you didn’t try to vote for him, Everett is
in Washington, not Utah. Are you admitting to voting in the Utah elections
while living in WA?Maverick,Faced with hatch or a dem, we took
hatch – no choice in the matter. Wanting hatch gone, I’ll support
his opponent in the caucuses and primary (if it gets that far). He shows up in
the general election, I’ll either not vote in that race or vote for a
third party candidate. I’d write-in nixon’s corpse before voting
for hatch or a dem.GaryO,Dems had their turn from 2009 and
2011, and they failed miserably. Thanks for the chuckle, though.
SCfanclearfield, UTOMMPres. Obama has let down many who
supported him. I wanted a single-payer Healthcare option, tougher EPA standards, cuts to Big OIL subsidezes, a HUGE increase
on taxes from those making over $1 million a year, and higher
R&D into Green, Renewable Energy.BTW -- I never voted for
him.I NEVER vote the party.I vote who I want regardless of Party.But, I still Demopcrats are better than anything the GOP has to
offer.Truth be told, I'm un-affiliated.But, I voted
Republican last election.I voted for Jon M. Huntsman Jr.The man I
felt was best for the job.See - That's called integrity.
Opportunity...As long as Hatch continues to breathe Utah Republicans
should send him back to DC.Utah Republicans can eventually set a
record sending the same person back to DC every 6 years.Utah will
finally become #1.Continue to vote for Hatch.It
doesn't matter what he did/does/will do...As long as he has an
R by his name...It's all good.
"President Franklin Roosevelt said, 'A great man left a watchword that
we can well repeat: there is no indispensable man.'"Someone
else once said: 'What do you call a Senator who has served too long? You
call him home.'Who said that? Uh, Senator Orrin Hatch.
"Hatch shouldn't campaign.""It is time for him to
give someone else a turn."Hmmm, interesting idea, and I think
you're right.In fact, NO Republican should campaign for the US
Congress. It's time to give the Dems a turn.Republicans,
especially Tea Partiers, are doing NOTHING for this nation. Don't you think it's silly to elect an Anti-Goverment advocate into
a government position?They spend all their time proving their
anti-governement ideology, and in doing their best to provide the very WORST
In most private organizations the leadership and decision making people serve
indefinitely in their positions until doing something bad, dying or being
promoted. It would not be logical or beneficial to the organization to fire the
main people every 2, 4, or 6 years and replace them with untrained,
inexperienced and those who's motivation was outside of the organization.
I long for a system of government that would have specific training
in the art/science of government. It would be a major course of study at the
University. It might be fashioned by the people democratically. I
long for a system of selection of those who would govern us, that gave credit to
candidates based on education, experience and dedication. And a compensation
system that would favorable compete with any private compensation even into
hatch is not campaigning for the senate, he is campaigning to become a lobbyist.
OMMAt least some who voted for Hatch now admittedly are not happy
with what Hatch has done, or not done as a Senator. Hatch has been known for
not keeping campaign promises, as so many politicans do. However, if the choice
is between a Democrat and a Republican, then Hatch supporters will just do as
Democrats will do. Vote party over substance. The real important elections are
in the primaries where people like Bennett and Cantor can be replaced. I only
wish more Democrats would admit that Obama is not even close to what they had
wished for. No way a Democrat can be happy with his Presidency with all the
high expectations, only to see it dwindle to one of medocrity and or worse
Is he campaigning for re-election? I hadn't heard that!===========IMO Hatch should not only not campaign... He should
also not be raising funds for a re-election campaign! Anybody
donating to his campaign (which is throwing your money away, because the
campaign will not happen) need to have their heads examined. He
promised not to run again IF we would elect him one last time (and we did). So
now he needs to stick to his word and not run again.If you
don't plan to run again... you don't need to raise funds. If
he's fundraising... it's just to feather his nest.Even if
he goes against his word and runs again... he will not succeed at Convention
after breaking a clear promise he made to the party and the people of Utah.Hatch knows he is done. I don't know why he would be fundraising.
OK, I voted for him and have regretted it ever since. Do you say the same thing
about 0bama voters who are changing their mind?I will actively work
against him in every way if he breaks his promise and runs again.However,
Furry, 1993 - there is one great man who is recognized country wide and that is
Sen Mike Lee. Thank goodness we have a man of his caliber in office from Utah.
So you can vote for your dem, I will campaign for Sen Lee.
I don't want to hear any utah repub complain about Hatch. I didn't
vote for this guy, you did... For decades. Don't come complaining to me
with buyers remorse. You knew what you were getting. You built this! Own it now.
He's yours for the next 5 years. Want Hatch gone? Vote Democrat next time.
We have plenty of great candidates who would be considered republican in any
other state. But because we are the state of low information voters, many lazily
pull the R lever without thinking.Democracy isn't a passive
weekend sport. It involves study, dedication, and standing up for something.
Hatch suffers from a particularly virulent form of politician's fever.
This form is incurable and terminal. Its primary debilitating effects are
cognitive decline and deficit, delusions of self-importance and competence,
inability to self-diagnose, and resistance to any treatment. Pity the man who
is so afflicted.
Don't blame me...I've NEVER voted for the man.Those who vote for him, and then complain about him being office are the worst
type of hypocrites.
It's been "someone else's turn" for 4 or 5 terms already.
I can't help but disagree that it's time for Senator Hatch to give
someone else a turn - the time for him to do that was 26 years ago. In the
words of Mr. Hatch himself, when he first ran for the Senate in 1976, "What
do you call a senator who's been in office for more than two terms? You
call him home."
He's been doing this for decades.That's all Hatch ever
does.We get the type of representation that we deserve.
As I have said before the only reason Hatch should run again is to keep an
extreme far right fringe-dweller like Mie Lee out. While I don't lie a lot
of what Hatch has done, compared to Lee he is definitely the lesser of two
evils. Please Utah voters -- vote for a moderate mainstream (i.e., true
conservative) instead of one of the extremists.