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Published: Wednesday, June 18 2014 8:00 a.m. MDT

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igotworms
Salt Lake City, UT

I completely agree with this article. I have yet to find a restaurant that has a dress code in Salt Lake City. My wife and I want to get all dressed up and go out on special occasions, but there is no guaranteed we won't be sitting next to sleeveless-sweatpants-guy. I have noticed that in Manhattan and Chicago, there is a culture of dressing nice that I really admire. Maybe it is a big city thing

DonP
Sainte Genevieve, MO

You have nailed it, but it is deeper than merely appearance. Correct usage of the English language is gone with misspellings and grammatical errors showing up everywhere, not just in emails, postings and tweets but in news articles written by people who supposedly have a degree in journalism. Etiquette is also gone. People fight over parking spaces. TV shows accentuate drama over substance. I think what we are witnessing is a general decline in the society in general. I am hoping that the pendulum will swing back at some point.

Aggie5
Kuna, ID

Dressing causal and grammar errors are bad in the same eyes? I guess I will stick with the dressed down crowd then.
Stuffy is out with the money is everything crowd.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

It's about time! Great article, cheap shot at Wal-mart, no reason to disparage others for cheap humor.

Mona
Beaverton, OR

On a just completed weeks long business trip I had plenty of time to observe folks in airports. Oh, the horror. A very large woman wearing hot magenta sweat pants with a large PINK written across the behind along with a tank top that was bursting from its load; hairy men with not enough covering, and like you say, dirty laundry straight out of the hamper. How hard can it be to at least put on a clean pair of jeans and t-shirt. Or upgrade to a button-down?

Buford Buckley
Provo, UT

Just a hint here. Your clothes, no matter what they are, will look better on you if you lose 10, 20, 50, 100 pounds. The obesity epidemic is making poorly dressed Americans look even worse. Let's get some exercise, folks, and lay off the Krispy Kremes.

Knightwolf
LOGAN, UT

I agree entirely. When I got married I was a jeans and a t-shirt guy. Shorts in the summer. The shirt was usually black or grey from Walmart with a design on it. Now, after 4 years, my wife has finally got me dressing up, and I like it. The most dressed down I get now is a nice pair of cargo pants, with a polo or button down when I'm out in the winter, and a nice pair of cargo shorts and the same polo's and button downs in summer. It's not that much effort, and I actually like it. So come on guys! Ditch the slob look and lets look like adults again in stead of teenagers.

Aggie238
Logan, UT

I think the author is attempting to address too many separate (though related) issues at once here. The result is a scattered rant that doesn't actually have much substance or sufficiently discuss the issue. I think the real problem is that our casual is too casual, but our "dressed up" is too "dressed up." Ties are a great example. Particularly in Utah, the prevailing culture is that you aren't in your best if you aren't wearing a tie (if you're a male). What exactly makes a colored piece of cloth knotted uncomfortably at one's neck worthy of praise? It doesn't look any nicer than a nice collared shirt with the top button undone and no tie, but don't you dare show up to church without one or you aren't showing respect to God. Same goes for white shirts. Why can't our dressed up clothes be more comfortable/easier to take care of, and our comfortable/easy to take care of clothes be more dressed up? It shouldn't take an hour to look nice, and if it does, you can't expect people to take the time to do it.

Bifftacular
Spanish Fork, Ut

I was at Disney World a couple of years ago and the entertainment wasn't the rides but people watching. I sat on a bench for several hours and watched one horrible dress ensemble after another walk by. People - seemingly oblivious to how bad they looked. Just as alarming was the number of over weight people. We are a fat, out-of-shape country. I couldn't help but muse it would be a great time for a leaner meaner country to attack and take over. If that happens, I hope they have some good diet ideas.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I don't think it's America so much; it's Utah. When I visit friends back East or even in California, I notice that the general level of dress is higher.

My pet peeve is the way parents dress to go to events at the school - band concerts, graduations, etc. If you kid has to wear a tie, you should probably take the time to put on a real pair of shoes.

neece
Logan, UT

I so agree with this article! There are now women who have never owned a dress. Yes casual is nice... and I dress casual when I can, but there is just something to "dressing up" and going out with your handsome Husband or Beautiful wife... it just feels different... more elegance perhaps, us actually use table manners. You would NEVER think of going into a nice restaurant in a tank or shorts, flip flops, Stomach or Breasts on a woman. This one gal was so low cut there was nothing left to the imagination and I felt like leaving her a dollar for the show!...There are now people who go to work dressed horribly. Pregnancy is beautiful but I don't want to see your barely covered stomach!What happened to self pride? What happened to looking your best in some situations? Instead of not caring what you look like? I like dressing nice to work, make up some jewelry looking professional... Sigh We are slobs! WE ARE looking a lot like Walmart people!

Understands Math
Lacey, WA

I can't say I see what the author sees up around where I live.

I guess that either means we have a higher standard of dress here in the Pacific Northwest, or else maybe we're less judgemental.

Joseph Rosenfeld
San Jose, CA

I appreciate the humorous candor with which the article was written. As a personal brand and style strategist who helps people in Silicon Valley discover their personal brand and design their personal style, I constantly deal with people's struggles to move beyond the lowest common denominator of being too casual. An "anything goes" attitude lowers the perceptible quality of a person at work, home, and socially. If you don't dress and present yourself to a higher standard, you cannot possibly expect others to hold you in high regard. I say, "When you show others who you are, others will believe you."

I do take issue with a point made in the article that, humor aside, must be responded to. The mention of hairy men eating tikka masala makes me wonder if the author has an ethnic bias against Indian men. I am a well-groomed hairy man who loves tikka masala. Leave our hairiness alone. The point really is to appropriately cover areas of the body when in public. And the point certainly applies to all persons and of all ages.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Agreed.

It's a Utah think more-so than most other places.

I still wear slacks and dress shirts to work,
but most of my peers do not.

Likewise --
Going to the store and seeing girls in pajamas?
Women dressed like truck stop hookers?
Men looking like the just walked away from a beer and lawn-chair?

And here I thought the 70's had hit rock bottom with women's halter tops,
and men wearing dress shirts unbuttoned 2 or 3 button holes!

alleycatrn
Lilburn, GA

I live in the East and slobs are everywhere!

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

I can only compare what my college students wear today to what I remember from the sixties. I would have to say that kids are better groomed and more neatly dressed. I think a sure sign of old age is propensity to complain that the rising generation is going to heck in a hand basket and that their music is too loud. Fortunately I have avoided these symptoms ... well ok, may the music is getting a little loud.

atlcoug
Atlanta, GA

I promise, it isn't just Utah! And "Understands Math", your comment sounded pretty judgmental to me!

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Even the Beatles wore suits and ties on the Ed Sullivan Show. How times have changed. I hate neck ties but come on guys we can still wear a nice dress shirt and slacks.

AZ Ute
Scottsdale, AZ

Great article, Doug, but lose the T-shirt in your photo and you'd get more cred. Mike Royko only dressed like that when he played 16" softball.

JediToby
Tooele, UT

I thought to make a comment on someone's sartorial choices yesterday at work. Apparently, everyone else thought it was funny, but after I said it, I realized that this is really not something Jesus would do, and I spent the rest of the day apologizing. How is this different, though writ large?

The scriptures refer to the Proud as those who wear expensive fabrics. I've heard it said many times in church that "everyone can afford a suit," and this is a lie. It's also a lie that in all cases, other people will buy suits for someone who can't. And, in today's body-conscious world, those whose molds don't fit cannot buy them at the local stores. We are all The People of Walmart. Who are we to judge?

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