Comments about ‘Many feel this year's in-state football recruiting class could be Utah's best ever’

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Published: Tuesday, June 17 2014 12:00 p.m. MDT

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Christopher B
Ogden, UT

@Cougsndawgs,

Darren gave a letitimate answer?

LOL.

No he didn't.

He said byu is not good at recruiting fast players. That's beating around the bush.

Still haven't answered the "why" to anything.

Want to try again?

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

@Darren,

The article talks about byu "traditionally"

It doesn't say "under the bronco era"

So #3 is also debunked.

Darren Rowe
Heber City, UT

@Tomahawk Red

"Hopefully Utah will snag one or two, while it's unlikely USU or BYU will get any."

Ummmm... Dayan Lake committed to BYU already.

@My Perspective

I don't know why my comment confused you so badly. Utah and Utah State have both been better than BYU at recruiting and developing corners. Keith McGill was drafted from utah, and Nevin Lawson was drafted from Utah State. Because of this, good corners are more likely to go to utah, just like good linebackers and QB's are more likely to go to BYU.

If you need me to make it even clearer, let me know. But I don't see how my comment was rocket science.

BlueNtheFace
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

We can get any CB we go after. We just choose to offer the slower ones. Our results have been consistent top 20 defenses, and some in the top 10 recently. Thanks for the concern, Chris B.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

This will be a good test to see if the recent dust-up over the ACC and SEC snubbing BYU will have any real effect. If the Cougars can pick up their share of these in-state recruits, they may be OK in just staying independent.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

"Why can't Utah attract better talent at QB? Your best QB over all the years is Alex Smith and that was a decade ago. You've never landed a 4 star QB, while BYU has landed multiple (although interestingly the higher star guys have flopped in the past)."

Come on, cougsndawgs...

What has byu done with qb's over the last 10 years? Answer: nothing.
What has byu put in the NFL since Mendenall came to town? Answer: slim pickns'

Why all the talk about qb's all of a sudden? The Utes had made sacking byu's qb look easy last year. Your cougs have survived on poor schedules and it has only gotten better for them since the independence experiment started.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougsndawgs:

Utah landed Tommy Grady, when he left Oklahoma. He was a 4-star QB ranked the #3 pro-style QB in the country for the 2003 class.

Utah also landed current missionary Chase Hansen -- another 4-star -- back in 2012.

And the only reason why we didn't get Josh Portis -- a 4-star #4-ranked dual-threat QB back in 2005 -- was because after giving Utah a solid verbal, he'd opted to follow the guys who'd recruited him to Utah....to Florida (Meyer, Mullen).

"Your best QB over all the years is Alex Smith and that was a decade ago."

That was also the best QB who'd graduated from ANY university in Utah during that time frame as well. So bad example there.

utesgoingdownthehill
Salt Lake City , UT

Why is it that Utah fans always compare there success and any action regarding Utah football team to teams like BYU and usu instead of team from there own conference like UCLA, stanford,Oregon etc. Wouldn't it make more sense to spend time talking trash with fans of team you actually play with?

sammyg
Springville, UT

With all of this instate 0-3 star talent I'm positive it won't make a difference for Ute travel arrangements in December.

laughalittle
Orem, UT

Ute’s like to talk smack about BYU’s schedule, but who do they choose to open the season with this year? Idaho State. Enough said.

Black&Blue
St George, Utah

MyPerspective,

"Your cougs have survived on poor schedules and it has only gotten better for them since the independence experiment started."

It seems like your perspective is almost always way off the mark... You honestly think that BYU's schedules have declined since becoming Independent? Even a down years schedule like 2014 is infinitely better than the schedules we played as a MWC member.

BYU's 2014 Schedule:
Uconn
Texas
Houston
Virginia
USU
UCF
UNR
Boise St.
UNLV
Savanah St.
Cal

BYU's best MWC schedule (2009)

Oklahoma
Tulane
Florida St.
Colorado St.
Utah St.
UNLV
TCU
Wyoming
New Mexico
AF
Utah

I know there is no comparison between BYU and Utah's current SOS, but it is safe to say that both have faced a significant upgrade from the MWC.

The truth is Utah regularly gets more talent in the secondary, particularly at CB for obvious reasons. But there are many positions where BYU attracts more talent. Historically, it isn't even close...BYU has dwarfed Utah in Individual player accomplishments at nearly every position on the field in both College and Pro football.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

@Darren,

You do realize that its possible for byu, Utah, and usu to ALL have good talent in the same position at the same time right? Yes, while they do compete for several recruits - your comment makes no sense unless you're suggesting(very incorrectly) that byu and usu and Utah all go after the exact same kids at every position and whoever doesn't "win" those rectuits is left with no one good left.

All these schools recruit out of the state - there is no magical bubble that makes it so Utah being better at developing corners, which we do, directly makes is harder for byu.

Totally false.

Indy
St George, Utah

Naval Vet,

I wouldn't count on Chase Hansen wearing Crimson...

When Hansen was being recruited, BYU ran a pro-style offense and wanted him at LB. Utah only landed him because they recruited him as a QB. This is common knowledge. BYU's new offense is a perfect fit for Hansen's (who grew up a BYU fan) skill set. And once Whittingham is shown the door following his 3rd losing season in a row. My guess is Hansen will end up in Provo. Wouldn't surprise me if this is already his plan.

BlueNtheFace
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

@ Black&Blue

What do you mean: "The truth is Utah regularly gets more talent in the secondary, particularly at CB for obvious reasons." What's "obvious"?

@ Indy

I disagree with you about Hansen, though I wish we could land him. He has Utah linebacker written all over him. This is another case where Whitt will let him practice at QB for the 1st week in Spring and then switch him to LB. I would love for him to come to BYU, like I said. At least we, at the time, were honest with him about his recruitment as a LB.

@ Naval Vet

Picking up transfers that committed to destination programs out of HS isn't the same as attracting them straight from the prep ranks. Don't flatter your program.

Go Cougs.

Unbiased1979
dallas, TX

Chris B. Here's the real reason, and it has nothing to do with the ability to coach or develop. I'm making some large generalizations here, so forgive me.

Top-talent corners are generally African American (if you don't agree, go to ESPN recruiting. Of the 100 top CBs with a picture, all are African American). There are not alot of African American Mormons. It is diffucult to recruit non-LDS kids to BYU, whether African American or not, because of the Honor Code. Thus, BYU has a difficult time time recruiting top talent CBs.

Now, Utah on the other hand, has difficulty recruiting QBs becuase it simply can't develop them (with the exception of the Urban Meyer years) and everyone knows that.

Darren Rowe
Heber City, UT

@Chris B

"Darren gave a letitimate answer?

LOL.

No he didn't.

He said byu is not good at recruiting fast players. That's beating around the bush."

How is that beating around the bush? It directly explains why BYU has a tough time recruiting corners. Good corners are fast. BYU struggles with recruiting speed. Therefore, BYU struggles with recruiting corners.

"You do realize that its possible for byu, Utah, and usu to ALL have good talent in the same position at the same time right?"

Of course I realize that. But these schools do compete over the same athletes frequently, and utah typically comes out on top with CB's and D linemen, while BYU usually comes out on top with QB's and LB's.

One great example is Davion Orphey. He was committed to BYU until he got a utah offer and then he switched.

Obviously BYU can still get good corners, which they proved with Lake, but we frequently get the leftover corners that utah leaves for us, much like utah often gets the leftover LB's that we leave for them.

Black&Blue
St George, Utah

BlueNtheFace

There are several obvious reasons Utah generally has better CB's than BYU. The most obvious is of course the difference in defensive schemes. BYU runs a slightly conservative 3-4 that is heavily reliant on the LB position. You rarely see BYU's Corners bump WR's off the line or line up in man coverage. Bronco has never put much importance on recruiting top corners. I wish he did.

Utah runs an aggressive 4-3 that is reliant on a good defensive line and corners that can hold their own in man coverage. Utah has also done a good job in developing talent at the CB position, sending several to the NFL. Most NFL teams play a similar 4-3 scheme, and look for corners that can lock down a receiver in man coverage.

If you were an athletic corner with aspirations to play in the NFL where would you go?

utahcountyute
Cedar Hills, UT

black&blue

If I'm not mistaken one of those Elite 11, 5 Star QBs that committed to byU was Jake "PR" Heaps right?

All this recruit talk is cute.

Go Utes!

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Byu would get ever one of these guys if we wanted those guys.

wwookie
Payson, UT

Why is BYU a LB factory all of a sudden? Before Van Noy, who was the last NFL pick at that position?

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