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Published: Sunday, June 15 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

I sympathize but here's a dilemma. China and other nations have to use coal to give their citizens the standard of living they have come to expect and demand, because solar is not developing fast enough. But coal is destroying man's habitation. What can we do? The only solution is a global governance based on some type of socialism. If we maintain narrow national interest we are doomed. Let's face up to this situation.

high school fan
Huntington, UT

The professor should have attended and listened better in chemistry class and then he would know that is argument against CO2 is flawed. Nuclear subs and the space station exist with much, much stronger CO2 in the atmosphere with no harm and much more is needed in our air to be anywhere near as strong as has been in the past.
Come to a Emery County and experience our air, Utah coal is much cleaner than eastern coal and the power companies have spent millions on their exhaust systems.
It is okay to be concerned but be properly concerned about the right things.

LDS Tree-Hugger
Farmington, UT

That’s like telling our kids to “do the right” but then letting them “do the wrong.”

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I was thinking more like telling your kids not to smoke or drink or do drugs, because it will kill them...

and them telling them if they are already addicted --
not to quit, or if you do quite, do so very, very slowly --- because withdrawal can be too painful.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

@ high school fan

Is that why emery county leads our state in stillborns and babies born with birth defects?

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

high school fan -

You are missing the point.

Your nuclear sub and space stations example do NOT address the fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that traps heat in the atmosphere.

Whether we can breathe in a greater concentration is immaterial.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

high school fan -

"Come to a Emery County and experience our air" . . . which is not nearly as affected as much as Colorado,Kansas, and Missouri is from the coal dust Emery County produces.

The wind blows from the west, and those high stacks allow the emissions from emery county to float hundreds of miles away to the east before they settle.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

Here's another reality: With the new fighting in Iraq, oil prices are now on the rise again. Whether that oil is from Utah or the Mideast, global political turmoil impacts our fossil fuel prices.

Price of wind at Spanish Fork or Milford? The same. Come wars in the Mideast, come nuclear disaster in Japan, come drought and wildfires in Utah -- oil prices skyrocket, but wind, solar, and geothermal prices stay the same.

Why? No fuel costs. Wind, sun, and hot gases underground aren't commodities that can be bought or sold; they can't be controlled by political powers (e.g., Putin, OPEC). With electric vehicles now becoming increasingly available, clean electricity is becoming a viable alternative to oil.

If Utah were thinking about its future, it would be seizing its solar and geothermal resources. Instead, we're digging deeper and deeper to get more 19th century coal that will be taxed when burned, and our utility monopolies will simply pass those costs onto us, while our neighboring states (e.g., Colorado and Nevada) move forward into the 21st century with clean, price-stable electricity.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

hsfan,

I'm pretty certain that it's you who would benefit from the science lesson here. The habitability of a submarine at >400 ppm of CO2 in the air is wholly irrelevant to the problem of global warming.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Human combustion of fossil fuels is loading up the atmosphere with CO2. As the CO2 "blanket" gets thicker, temperatures globally rise, and that changes the environment about 1,000 faster than any natural climate change - way too fast for species to naturally adapt. This has zero to do with life aboard the Space Station.

While moving away from fossil fuels will help a lot with conventional air pollution, that's not the issue here. It's the rapid global climate change caused by humans pumping so much CO2 into the air that's beyond the normal carbon cycles of nature that's being discussed.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

RE: high school fan "Utah coal is much cleaner than eastern coal ." Yes, but only as to sulfur content. In every other respect Utah coal is just as dirty.

Sensible Scientist
Rexburg, ID

Nuclear power -- end of discussion.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I'm beginning to wonder if Right-Wing deniers WANT to remain forever depend on oil,
as an excuse to keep starting wars, invading others, and then NEVER thinking they need to raise taxes to pay for any of it...

As opposed to those of us who want to be energy independent,
clean, renewable, and leaving behind a viable future for our posterity...

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Nuclear power -- end of discussion."

"Fukashima -- restart discussion"

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

LDS liberal. There is no viable, clean, renewable energy yet! Windmills kill birds and are very expensive. Solar is promising but also expensive and the sun doesn't shine at night. Wishing it were otherwise doesn't change it. In the meantime, people have to eat and like it or not we ARE dependent on fossil fuels, if for nothing else our food production! Left wingers would deprive poor people of food?

high school fan
Huntington, UT

My science class taught me that CO2 was necessary for the existence of life, without it we all die, all humans, all animals, all plants. CO2 is right there right after oxygen and our current climate does not have as much CO2 as we have had at times in our past.
If you insist something has to change, fine but find a better culprit than this gas that us necessary for our very existence.
As for Maverick, you have the wrong county. Go north a little.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Thid Barker
Victor, ID

LDS liberal. There is no viable, clean, renewable energy yet! Windmills kill birds and are very expensive. Solar is promising but also expensive and the sun doesn't shine at night.

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No viable, clean, renewable energy yet?
Where have you been?
Hydro-electric has been viable for over 120 years!

Also,
please explain why we need to continue to burn fossil fuels when it's windy and in broad daylight?

BTW -- food production is available only because of the energy from the sun.
Therefore -- 100% solar.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"My science class taught me that CO2 was necessary for the existence of life,"

Very true...... but not at just any level. Most elements are necessary to sustain life, even those that can kill is when exposed to in improper levels. It is the balance that matters. And with CO2, while at extreme levels does impair cognitive processing - we are not talking about those because were not close to those levels. It is CO2s property of ceiling in heat that is being debated... not the absorption of CO2.

Two very different discussions and should not be confused. Our plant supports life because of the protective nature of our atmosphere. It keeps this planet at temperatures that sustain life... and changes in that protective boundary impact weather patterns and temperature here on the ground. Mans contribution to that change is what is being wrestled over.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Aleternative energy sources exist and are ample enough to get rid of coal. There have always been deniers in human history (witch burners, leeching, flat earth believers, climate change, etc.) and those that cling to coal and dirty fossil fuels are just more of them. Educate yourself, unless your afraid of becoming a liberal.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

LDS liberal. You know nothing about agriculture. Call me when you see a solar powered tractor tilling the soil, planting or harvesting the crops we rely on. Call me when you see wind powered irrigation systems irrigating the crops. Call me when you see a solar powered truck transporting the crop to the solar powered processing plants or the food to your grocery store!

About hydro-electric power, rabid environmentalist like you are threatening to breech dams and stop hydro power! Wake up and think for a change! You have NO solutions!

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@high school fan
Huntington, UT
My science class taught me that CO2 was necessary for the existence of life, without it we all die, all humans, all animals, all plants. CO2 is right there right after oxygen and our current climate does not have as much CO2 as we have had at times in our past.

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Then ,
You must have slept, missed or ignored the lesson about CO2 being the greehouse gas responsible for the lifeless temperatures on our next door neighbor and sister planet Venus...

Chopping down Forests and trees, asphalting grass and trees, and burning even more fossil fuels is a recipe for disaster.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Open minded; High temps on Venus are because it is closer to the sun than the Earth, not because of C02. Go back to school!

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