You know, if people would take one simple idea from their religion and live it,
we wouldn't have to tolerate so much. " Love one another " is that
simple idea that Jesus taught. It isn't that hard! One of the other
comments mentioned gay hatred. You should try being on the gay end of it! You
want to know hatred then get your windows smashed out in your car! I had a good
Mormon neighbor who threatned me with a gun! I have friends who have not spoken
to me in over 25 years! When we try to make something good of our lives, people
say that we are attacking them! All I hear is " Why should I help that
person? " or " They should get a job! " Sorry, there were no
good old days! Not for gay people and other minorities and people were certainly
not tolerant! I hate the word tolerant! It more or less says that you will put
up with someone even though you can't stand them!I still love and
miss those friends from long ago! They can't even tolerate me! Is it that
hard to care and to love?
JoeCapitalist2Orem, UTordinary folks: "...Tolerance is indeed in
short supply.""What we need to do is stop demonizing people who
disagree with a point of view we support. Saying as you did about those who
support traditional marriage as "...an avalanche of gay hatred, full of
untruth..." would put you in the intolerant camp in my opinion."--- People should be intolerant about lies and blocking of freedom.Certainly the anti-marriage equality side has told monstrous lies over and
over."Gays want to change or eliminate religions, they want to ruin
marriage, they are all about sex, etc etc etc". Personally, I lived through
the Prop 8 TV ads, which were malicious attempts to scare parents that Gays
would take over the moral education of their children.Without the mormon
invasion of Califonia, Prop 8 would have lost, and would go down by 20 points
today.And you see, "I love you, but I don't want you to
live as your heart tells you" is hatred in a thin disguise.If I
am denying people equality, they do not need to demonize me: I am already a
Here is how tolerance works these days.For the conservative,
tolerance is given until you use government to force them to conform with your
point of view.For the liberals/progressives/collectivists, tolerance
is given as long as you agree with their point of view.Tolerance is
like discrimination. It can be used for both good and evil. Tolerating your
neighbor with a lifestyle different than yours is good. Tolerating your
neighbor who is running the drug and prostitution ring out of their home is
bad.I only ask that people learn when to tolerate something and when
to fight it.
Ok... I missed something. How did this become about SSM again? Was it the
hungry children comment? Or the comment about the poor? Are all of these
euphemisms for SSM? I have to agree with the author. From my
travels around the world working in Energy, I see both extremes regularly.
From starting projects where the budgets are in the billions, to driving down
roads where the nice houses are ones lucky enough to have corrugated metal
siding. There is an endless stream of need amongst our fellow brothers and
sister of this world.Our responsibilities have two levels. One, as
a citizen of our nation. The other, as a Christian, and a fellow traveler
through this life. Providing for our family is just the minimum requirement...
loosing ourselves in the service of others as Christ taught the ultimate. I
fall far short of this.When you see the acrimony even within
conservatives, calling others RINOs, you do wonder if we seek to divide more
than we do to help. Pius self promotion seems to rule the day. Adams and
Jefferson disagreed upon much, but respected each other greatly. We can, and
@ Pendergast: The shows you list are all shows that emphasized negative
stereotypes and relied on that emphasis to attract an audience. The
fact that such shows are no longer allowed does indeed show a moving forward
toward tolerance for those who are different than us. We still have
a long way to go (such as eliminating shows that get their humor from appealing
to stereotypes of men), but we are slowly making progress.
ordinaryfolks:It is also undeniable that a great many untruths have
been told by the pro SSM marriage crowd. If you can only see blame and
intolerance when it is committed by the "other side" then you need to
take your blinders off.I didn't call you intolerant because you
acknowledged untruths being told by those you disagree with, it was because you
seem to see everyone who disagrees with you as bigots and everyone who agrees
with you as completely tolerant even though they are not.
Joe C...you said that my claim "..."an avalanche of gay
hatred, full of untruth..." would put you in the intolerant camp in my
opinion.'" It is undeniable that a great many untruths have
been told by the anti same sex marriage campaign(s). If acknowledging that
there is untruth told is intolerant, call me intolerant.
ordinary folks: "...Tolerance is indeed in short supply."I
agree. There are at least a dozen controversial issues (abortion, same-sex
marriage, Obamacare, immigration laws, tax policy, minimum wage, affirmative
action, etc.) that deeply divide huge sections of our population.I
find it interesting that you only seem to see the intolerance from people who
disagree with your side of several arguments. The truth is, there are many acts
of intolerance from both sides on all these issues.Unlike the letter
writer, I think intolerance has always existed so I don't know if it was
better or worse in the past. It is ok to be passionate about an issue without
harboring ill feelings for everyone who does not share our ideology.What we need to do is stop demonizing people who disagree with a point of view
we support. Saying as you did about those who support traditional marriage as
"...an avalanche of gay hatred, full of untruth..." would put you in the
intolerant camp in my opinion.
to LDS Liberal moments agoHave we ever really moved forward &
become more enlightened? In fact, I'd say we've gone
backward. There is no way shows like Sanford & son, Night Court, or All in
the family would be tolerated.
I reflected again and again about this letter...I would seem that
the author expects the freedom to speak and express his thoughts and opinion,
but does not want to allow others the same freedom to express their
thoughts or opinions.I do not want to go back to that sort of
As others write, there is some confusing sentiment in the letter. I hope that
the writer is not expressing what so many who comment on the DN, particularly
those from small Utah cities, seem to say over and over.People who
grew up in an unquestioning environment may have a lot of trouble with the way
the world is today. Unfortunately, sometimes their frustration at being asked or
pushed to re-think their positions can come out in odd and indirect ways.For instance:-- the current notion that blocking other
citizens' rights and saying (sometimes) disgusting and untrue things about
them is OK, and should be tolerated.-- the ridiculous blowing up of
imagined consequences that will ensue if some group of citizens is allowed to
sit at the table or ride on the bus, as equals, so to speak.Etc.It is our job as Americans and as Christians to respect differences, as long
as they do not cause actual (not imagined) harm. Sometimes it may be hard to
change my views, but that is my problem to handle.Tolerance is only
a step along the way to acceptance, which is what Jesus told us to practice.
Weird letter.Go on a nice bike ride or something. Lighten up a li
bit. There's no need to become depressed
This is truly the most confusing letter I have ever read. Does he want to hear
people's opinions? Or not? Is he saying that he wants to hear opinions,
but only if they don't make him feel guilty? I don't get it.
I'm a little confused here - the first part of your letter mentions people
expressing their viewpoints, the second part mentions your personal discomfort
with the viewpoints being presented, but the third part of your letter expresses
your viewpoint that all viewpoints should be welcome in society and your
sentiment that you miss the days when that was so. If you welcome
all viewpoints, why are you bemoaning those that make you uncomfortable? How
does the expression of viewpoints that make you uncomfortable have any bearing
on whether or not other viewpoints are being oppressed? Have you been prevented
from holding a sign or buying a billboard that expresses your viewpoint?How does the third part of your letter tie into the first two parts?
Ah yes, "back in the day" when there was no tolerance for anyone who was
different racially, ethnically, socially, religiously, or politically,
especially in good ol' Utah. This writer longs to go back. I don't.
Things are a lot better than they used to be, take it from an old man.
?I don't get it?Does he feels guilty for being selfish,
and doesn't want other to remind him of it?or That it is not politically correct to tell the poor, the sick , and the hungry
to stop being stupid and lazy and get a job?I just not sure what it
I don't quite get the point. Is it that you're bothered because you
feel guilty because you don't donate to every squeegee kid or radio appeal?
You can't support 'em all...
I think it's how ya look at it, "What can I do", helpless or
I suspect we may not agree politically, but I certainly agree with the
sentiment.The gay marriage debate that has raged for years in the
country erupted an avalanche of gay hatred, full of untruth. Civil rights,
illegal immigration and voting rights have exposed the ugly undertone of
lingering racism in this country. Abortion opponents place wanted posters on
abortion providers and kill them. And the fundamentalist religions declare
their fellow citizens will spend their eternal life in damnation if they do not
adhere to their religious dogma and political views.Tolerance is
indeed in short supply.
Wow David, You wrote: "In each of these situations I get the feeling
that I am a person who does not care, love or support, and that my views and
thinking are wrong."For what you wrote you indicated that is
what "you feel". Nobody is mentioned as saying anything to you. You feel
guilty of your accord.....it seems that the only one judging you is yourself.The one who needs to tolerate you is you buddy. Stop feeling sorry for
yourself.Good luck with your introspection.