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Published: Saturday, June 14 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Salt Lake City, UT

"Women are not allowed to leave their homes unless absolutely necessary and unless completely covered. People caught stealing will have limbs amputated." I think this also describes Saudi Arabia. We have a Sunni insurrection against the Shia government. How much funding is ISIS getting from the Saudi Sunnis? Lots - and these are our allies supposedly.

Some of us argued against our meat ax approach to Iraq, but to no avail (we tried to point out that Iran would be the chief beneficiary). We still don't understand the tribalism and religious feuding which has gone on for centuries. The longer we stay the more problems we create for the region and for ourselves.

LOU Montana
Pueblo, CO

If you don't fight for your freedom then you don't respect your freedom.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

In 2003 Iraq was fully capable of defending itself against Iran.

"While the United States dithers and ponders"

After 11 years, countless lives, and several trillion dollars, I wish Bush/Cheney had spent more time dithering and pondering!

seattle, WA

It is not our job to tell other countries how to organize their society. It is the job of our government to protect our borders. When Iraq or Iran attach us, then go after them. Until then, stay out. Mr Bush's adventure was a total failure.

I don't want anymore adventures in the Middle East. Western society values are foreign to this part of the world. They do not believe in religious freedom, nor freedom of speech, nor the equality of the sexes. They have no history of democratic government.

We could help those countries evolve, but we can not force them to choose a more equitable society. Were it not for billions of barrels of oil in this part of the world, I doubt we would have spent the trillions we have wasted here. Just imagine how much good that money could have done here.

salt lake city, utah

The opinion that the United States could have stayed in Iraq long enough to "stabilize" it is wildly in error.

To think that we can help settle the Sunni, Shia, war within Islam is mad.

Of course everyone knew that within in two years of our departing Iraq it would fall apart. The key is that it didn't matter if we stayed 10 years or a hundred years, the Sunni's who had traditionally governed were going to come back.

Who ever thought that Malaki would keep his promises to include Shia equally in governing.

Get over America regardless of how "dangerous" various groups are we are going to have to find a way to mitigate that danger (and there are ways) without taking sides or trying to build the nation the way we think it should look.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

From the piece " It also demonstrates, as we said at the time, that the Obama administration withdrew U.S. forces prematurely in 2011, long before the Iraqi governmeant was capable of defending itself."

We withdrew from Iraq on the timetable that was negotiated by the Bush administration. We offered to stay longer, the Iraqi government said "NO". You seem to have forgotten these facts, either that or your hatred of President Obama is making you blind to reality.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The oppression of people under capitalism is just as bad as the oppression of people under any other name, religion or business. It was business interests that took us to war in Iraq and business interests that kept us there years after the initial goal was met.

American businessmen, like their English teachers, are so concerned with profits that they can't or won't have any concern for people. The American businessmen got what they wanted from Iraq and bailed out leaving the people to the vices of the local businessmen. We did nothing to help the people. Our goal of keeping Iraq in the hands of a free and friendly government was/is just a smokescreen.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

This is a continuation of the Shiite-Sunni war. Iran is Shiite and Iraq about 65%, If the Sunni's and Al quaida win we will see as the author suggests women will be basically slaves to their fathers and husbands. The only "free" person in a fundamentalist society are male Muslims. As we note slavery is still practiced by Muslims. So also a Muslim man can have 4 wives though wealthy ones have more. At least they may not have much of an economy under Al quaida.

American Fork, UT

The article states "It also demonstrates, as we said at the time, that the Obama administration withdrew U.S. forces prematurely in 2011, long before the Iraqi governmeant (sic) was capable of defending itself." Well, it also demonstrates, as some of us said at the time, that going into Iraq in the first place was one of the most unnecessary, foolish and stupid things this nation could do, and that we could have troops there for 50 years and this still would be the result when they left. You cannot pin this on President Obama. Prevention was the only option for a cure here, and you lined up squarely against it.

Bountiful, UT

We invested $25 Billion in Iraq in developing highly trained security forces with excellent equipment, and then the democratically elected Iraqi president let go the highly trained leaders and appointed simple political hacks loyal to him.

The Iraqi military has seen a rapid deterioration due to very, very poor leadership.

We may engage in emergency remedial training and advising the Iraqis on how to defend themselves, but given the massive fiasco which was the US war in Iraq to begin with, the current situation shouldn't be at all surprising.

Springville, UT

Dither and ponder? You make this sound like a bad thing (even though you note the U.S. is working in the background - you want it both ways). It is a wise thing to do. We went to Iraq under Bush on fraudulent grounds. Thousands of Americans were killed. We spent trillions of dollars. For what? Oil? Revenge on Saddam Hussein? I'm sorry, but the U.S. is not going to solve this, in Iraq, in Syria, elsewhere in the Middle East. This is a religious war, going back over a thousand years. And here you are, taking another cheap shot at the President, parroting Fox News, and essentially calling for more intervention. Your prior calls for intervention in Syria [proved to be wrong - the President proved to be correct. The rebel base there has been the springboard for the Sunni rebels in Iraq. In the end, this editorial is fundamentally wrong, irresponsible, irrational, and calloused. It shows a complete lack of leadership of the editorial board, which seems to be driven by right wing radio. The Bush fiasco should not be repeated. Enough! We the people want no more of it!

Salt Lake City, UT

editorial "The rapid success of those forces in recent days..."
ISIS is made up of Sunni forces. They rapidly captured Tikrit and other northern towns because they're Sunni. That's like reporting in 1861 that Confederate forces fired on US ships from Fort Sumter, and then had rapid success in "capturing" Atlanta, Charlston, and Richmond.

The US should have divided the country into its more natural Sunni, Shia, and Kurd countries rather than forcing them to play together is one Western vision called Iraq. The US didn't do that, and now we're seeing a civil war.

The most stomach turning part of your editorial is this: "After 9/11, and after more than a decade of waging war against such factions, do any Americans believe the homeland is safe from such a government?"

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Statements like yours were used to trump up support for a costly and unnecessary war. Fool us twice, shame on us.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"If you don't fight for your freedom then you don't respect your freedom."

Iraq never threatened our freedom.

Besides, encouraging a state of perpetual war is a great way to kill off our youth and bankrupt our country.

We threw away trillions into Iraq and look at it now!

How much better off would we be had we invested all the money in our youth rather than Iraq?

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

"Women are not allowed to leave their homes unless absolutely necessary and unless completely covered. People caught stealing will have limbs amputated."

No. That is not the case.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Apparently, Jay Evansen wants us to fight with Iran against Saddam supported Sunnis. Or to fight with Sunnis against Iran.

Sounds like a lose lose to me. Another Vietnam. No thanks

one old man
Ogden, UT

Thank you, Roland Kayser, for pointing out the TRUTH that everyone seems to have forgotten in the rush to make Obama look bad.

The ones who should be looking bad and completely ashamed are the ones who started this stupidity. President Cheney and his little buddy.

Bountiful, UT

The US left the Iraqi military in much better shape than it is now.

Maliki replaced well trained military leadership with political hacks, and unsurprisingly, the military has quickly atrophied.

I thought the whole purpose of our intervention in Iraq was to enable the Iraqis to fend for themselves. If they've squandered the opportunity through poor leadership, how are we in any way responsible?

Considering how spectacularly inept our pre-war planning and intelligence was - "we'll be greeted as liberators!" - it's not at all surprising that Iraq is still struggling to govern itself. At some point they really need to be responsible and take ownership of their own country.

Provo, UT

Yes, this whole invasion of Iraq turned into quite a mess didn't it. How many years do you think we should have stayed there, Deseret News? Since you think we're just "dithering" now, what do you suggest, another invasion? Do you really think the USA is going to solve the Sunni/Shiite division in Islam? We shouldn't have gone in there in the first place. What a disaster.

Bob K
Davis, CA

"dithers and ponders"?

For at least 5000 years, this region has had tribal fights, invasions, mayhem, destruction, annihilation, religious hatred, and so much more.

How much longer, I ask the the DN editors, would it have taken to train Iraqi soldiers not to drop their weapons, shed their uniforms, and run?

We already destroyed the country once. I cannot imagine the colossal gall that this editorial and the Cheney-Bush gang had, to think that we had the right to pretend we could change the people of any country into thinking and acting like Americans.

If we mess with Iraq again, you can count on a long season of 9/11 repeats, since we will be once again affirming that we think we must control the Arab and Muslim parts of the world.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT


The Republicans tell Americans we are broke...

Yet there is always money for their pet projects...

Nation building did not work last time...

It will work this time?

The military-industrial complex will be the only American entity which benefits from Iraq redux.

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