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A. Scott Anderson: Time for US House action on immigration

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  • wjalden Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 15, 2014 11:36 p.m.

    "Good immigration reform does not equal amnesty...Along with increased border security, we need a legal way for workers to come out of the shadows."

    In other words, immigration reform DOES equal amnesty. Not just amnesty, but amnesty PLUS reward. Amnesty means forgiveness for a crime committed, like stealing a car. It does not mean you get to keep the car.

    I do agree, however, that GOOD IMMIGRATION REFORM does not equal amnesty. GOOD IMMIGRATION REFORM means border security, interior enforcement, workplace enforcement, denial of government benefits, and quick deportation of those caught here illegally.

    "I like to think of it as a very flexible, efficient and effective guest worker program."

    Baloney. There really are very few jobs that are truly temporary. Businesses make investments based on the assumption of labor. Give them "guest" workers, and their business plan will assume such labor from here on out. That is why guest workers are never really guests, and why they never end up leaving.

    Newsflash, Mr. Anderson: this country already allows over a million immigrants each year. That is more than triple what it was just 3-4 decades ago. There is no shortage of legal immigrants.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    June 14, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    A quick search of the H-1B database shows that Zions bank hired two software developers in 2010 to work in Salt Lake city. You can't tell me there were no people locally that could of done that work.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 14, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    These elites don't like to think of it as amnesty, but what else do you call it when people who are here on expired visas or no papers at all are not sent home according to the law?
    What shall we call it when these same people who have perjured themselves to accept jobs on false or stolen documents and are not sent home after being fired from those jobs and serving time for their crimes?
    Whatever you call this "reform" scheme, giving them work papers after flouting our laws seems like a reward for bad behavior.
    Don't play your semantics game with us. These people have broken our laws, taken our jobs, and filled our schools. Why are you favoring them?
    As a banker I suppose you make money from their remittance transfers back home. I suppose your friends want their cheap labor. I suppose supporting this so-called "reform" endears you to minority activists. I suppose it makes you feel all globalist.
    But if we don't say no to those who ignore our laws and our borders this problem will persist.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 14, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    The Real Maverick:
    "When has the house done anything? Oh wait, they shut down the government last fall..."

    The House passed several bills funding the government but the Senate, under Harry Reid, wouldn't take any of them up. And since all funding bills are to originate in the House, per the US Constitution, the fault of the shut-down falls to Harry, leader of the US Senate.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 14, 2014 12:04 a.m.

    Perhaps the author could take some time and explain just what is broken about our immigration laws. Those who talk about a broken immigration system never seem to explain what's broken.

    The way I see it, there's nothing broken, except enforcement. Those wishing to come to this country to live and become citizens merely have to fill out the requisite papers and get in line.

    As a matter of fact, under the current administration basically no one coming here illegally is deported. They're allowed to stay and get jobs. In large measure they come for work so they can send money back to loved ones at home. So, if the U.S. immigration laws are changed there will be little change in what actually goes on.

    And the article's author should keep in mind that there are millions of unemployed Americans looking for work costing the government billions in unemployment payouts... which means there are no jobs for illegals.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    June 13, 2014 11:38 p.m.

    Re: "Good immigration reform does not equal amnesty."

    Yeah, it does. At least the immigration "reform" referred to as "good" by way too many liberal and business special interests.

    Immigration amnesty has so torqued thinking about labor markets in the US that disgusting, unethical business interests feel safe in arguing for perpetually embracing those failed policies, though they know such policies create enormous problems for real people -- American and immigrant. And there reason for doing so is entirely venal.

    Control of our borders is the primary function of the federal government. It has abandoned that responsibility, egged on by an unholy alliance of liberal politicians, eager to court the illegal alien vote, and self-interested business "leaders" like the writer.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 13, 2014 11:17 p.m.

    I guess you missed the Cantor election in Virginia. The message, there is no negotiating on this issue among the GOP ranks. Since it is unlikely the GOP will win back the Congress AND the Presidency, I guess we should expect more of the same.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 13, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    Esquire,
    cannot refute what I said,
    cannot deny that legilsation dies in the senate after being passed in the house
    so you resort to the typical/consistent dem response. personal attack.

    thanks for the consistency

    Maverick
    too much MSNBC for you!
    the house passed legislation to keep the government open but harry never let it come to a vote in the senate. It was harry who really shut down the government. Esquire - see how I can cite actual events, while you just call names?

  • RRB SLC, UT
    June 13, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    The author has the same name as the President of Zions bank. Usually the DN includes such information.

    Amnesty, residency just furthers the dishonesty, people dying, families being separated (by their actions). The stories the last few days are proof that we need to get a handle on this situation, and start enforcing the laws of the land.

    Check the congressional records, more immigration bills have been filed by the House than the senate, including a bill to force the government into enforcing laws passed in the 1986 immigration reform. e-verify, border, interior enforcement, more judges and court personnel.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 13, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    The House?

    hahaha, you've gotta be kidding.

    You mean the guys with a 9% approval rating?

    ...and the GOP is wondering why Eric Cantor was handed his hat and shown the door...

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 13, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    I still marvel that conservatives are against a market based solution, law of supply and demand, reduced government interference. Instead, they argue for more government, more spending, controlling the economy, fighting the realities of a freer marketplace.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 13, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    @ lost in DC, consistent, kudos for that. And truly one of the great fiction writers in history.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 13, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    What does the author really want? It looks to me like what he really, really wants is cheap labor. He's not willing to pay workers what they will work for, so his solution is to import people who will work for less.

    Let's do the math. At $7.50 per hour, it would take a worker 66 hours to pay rent on a run-down shack that costs only $500 per month. Good luck on finding a rental at that price that's habitable. It would take another 46 hours to buy a piece-of-junk car at $200 a month, $100 for gas and $50 for liability insurance. People have to eat. Figure $10 a day, or $300 a month. (Just try feeding a family for $10 per day.) That's another 40 hours a month. We already at 152 hours. That leave 21 hours a month to pay for clothing, health insurance, school supplies, and everything else.

    Who's going to pay for the education of the children of those immigrants? Who's going to pay their medical bills?

    Importing people to starve in America is not the solution.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    June 13, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    When has the house done anything?

    Oh wait, they shut down the government last fall...

    I mean, anything constructive?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    I wonder what the SALARY is of the author? High 6 figures maybe even 7?

    I wonder how many illegal alien trespassers live on his street? I wonder if he, or any of his family have been a victim of illegal alien trespassers' crimes?

    He's not the ONLY elitist who thinks they know what is good for illegal trespassers but 1%ers like him can always move to the Bahamas or Europe when the Wasatch front becomes the "Tijuana of the Rockies". No problem!!

    I'm sorry to see this issue become an "R" vs. "D" issue. We SHOULD all want higher employment for our (legal)neighbors.
    We already have immigration laws, that, if they were enforced, WOULD work pretty well. Except for employers who want cheap labor, that is.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 13, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    FT

    That was what people were saying after 2008. And it might have become true, but for the inept Obama administration and Democrat Party in general. The only way the Democrats hold power is if they become much more conservative and realize that conservatives have as much influence and numbers as liberals in America. Polling shows that. The center then makes the call in elections, and, as we saw in 2010 they went Republican in the House. And it is interesting that you mention businessmen and their dollars. Isn't one of the tenants of your party that big money is bad for our political system. Isn't your side the one that decries the Citizens United decision? Better check what your values really are. And by the way, the Republican Party has many minorities in high profile offices right now, so that thing about a white only party is really not true. The Republicans tent has gotten bigger, not smaller.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 13, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    I could support a path to citizenship for those brought as children when they had no control as long as they serve honorably in the armed forces and they are not allowed to sponsor anyone else into the country. Immigration reform does NOT have to include a path to citizenship for the rest, however. Legal residency upon certain conditions and the payment of fines and fees, but NOT citizenship.

    Esquire,
    Actually the house has passed plenty of legislation - it's the dem controlled senate where legislation dies. Perhaps not immigration related bills but just about everything else.

    and why should the GOP work with BO? he has backed out of almost every deal he struck with them - or been forced to back out by harry and chuckie schumer. BO and the dems have shown they cannot be trusted and "working" with them only means capitulating to them.

    FT,
    businessmen and the dollars will start flocking othe the dems? Why? They do not want their hard-earned dollar confiscated and "redistributed"

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 13, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    Businessmen and their dollars will start flocking to the Democrats and with the support of immigrants, minorities and woman the GOP will become a fringe party made up of southern flag waving, white men. Hardly enough to win a national election. Intelligent conservatives see the probable outcome if they don't help solve the issue. If you're a supporter of the GOP ask yourself if you want to have a seat at the table in a few years or not.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    June 13, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    It may be that at some point the U.S. will collapse from lawlessness, but I can see no reason why any amnesty for illegal immigrants would be a factor. To the contrary, I and most Americans believe that as a nation of laws that encourages respect for one another, a compassionate approach with a path to citizenship for certain of the undocumented would only make us stronger. The idea that somehow vengeance is necessary seems to me highly inappropriate.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 13, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    Action by the House? Oh, that's funny!

    If the business community wants to get this issue addressed by Congress, supporting the Republicans is exactly the wrong thing to do.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    June 13, 2014 7:46 a.m.

    Agreed. And there's no way. Virginia.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    June 13, 2014 7:09 a.m.

    "Good immigration reform does not equal amnesty". Oh I wish that were true. But every DC politician really thinks it should. How about some border enforcement reform? We all know "who keeps Zion in business" so Scott is a bit biased. Viva LEGAL immigration and let the border patrol stop the invasion. Oh....and lumping illegals with immigrants is not being truthful.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 13, 2014 6:54 a.m.

    Scott, Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that stuff you said we have all heard a thousand times. All we, who oppose a new immigration bill are asking is that THIS TIME the border is secured FIRST. And if you have been following the news lately Scott, our southern border is now about as secure as Afghanistan and Iraq. The last time a major bill was passed it was supposedly a security/legalization two part deal. Well, the legalization part went fine. The security part went nowhere. Please excuse us skeptics who don't believe it will be any different this time. We want action on the border first. And all that Obama administration talk about how secure the border is, has been thrown completely out the window with what is going on down there now. Fool us 10 times shame on us. Fool us 11 times shame on you.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    June 13, 2014 6:50 a.m.

    Sure sounds like another Amnesty supporter to me. A way for illegals to come out of the shadows? Hah where are these shadows? Illegals are very visible so that out of the shadows is malarkey. The system is not broken the laws are unenforced.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 13, 2014 6:48 a.m.

    Why blame Congress? Obama does not enforce the immigration laws we have now so please explain what good more useless laws on the book will do?

  • RRB SLC, UT
    June 13, 2014 3:06 a.m.

    This country still has 12% of it's workers looking for full time work (not counting those who are disgusted with labor conditions in this country and left the workforce). We graduate three Stem graduates each year for every new job created. There is no shortage of labor in this country, only a shortage of honest businessmen.

    We don't need immigration reform, we need business welfare reform. We need an intervention to get business off from the cheap illegal labor and work visas they have used to get cheap labor, subsidized by the American taxpayer.