What we have in Iraq and Syria is a huge Sunni insurrection against the Shia
government in Baghdad. What is the great Sunni power in the region bankrolling
this project? Think hard. It's the Saudis, friends of the Bushes, our
guys. No wonder we are in over our heads.
Esquire: So please comment specifically on the comment related to the apology
tour. Do you stand by the opinion that was a positive thing? Are you really
going to try to make a case that those who predicted today's situation were
nothing more than lucky in their guesses? Be careful because your credibility
might be at risk based on your response.
Yeah, when the middle east problems come along, many Democrats are going to
pretend that there was never a President named Barack Obama in office for the
last 5 years.
@ joe5, you are long on criticism, and short on substance. Had Obama followed
the neo-cons advice and openly armed rebels in Syria, those weapons would be in
play in Iraq. In hindsight, the President did exactly the right thing. But
here are a couple of problems I have with your comment. First, you assume there
is a bright line between what happened prior to January 2009 and subsequent
events. This is utter nonsense. Second, you assume that the President (and any
President for that matter) has control over world events. No President is God.
I don't know if the Middle East is any worse than it was before. There
have been changes, but is it worse? As I pointed out, our intervention in Iran
has had consequences 60 years later, and our intervention in Iraq will have
similar consequences. So, you criticize, and offer nothing, not even with
hindsight, on dealing with the Middle East. Such criticism is totally useless
except to provide critics with some emotional satisfaction. Nothing more.
Amazing to me that the knee-jerk reaction to any criticism is to curl into fetal
position and claim that Obama is a victim. He has owned the middle east for the
last five years. Is it better or worse than it was on 20 Jan 2009 when he took
office? Only the most obtuse would refuse to acknowledge that the middle east is
in a far worse position today than it was then.Obama has been a
failure in so many ways but one of his greatest failures has been his foreign
policy in the middle east. When he made his apology tour, virtually ever Obama
apologist said it was an essential step and would be a foundation for stability
in the middle east. Detractors, myself included, predicted it would embolden the
radicals and cause regional chaos. Which of us was more correct?So,
blind ones, refuse to counter argument with argument. Instead complain about the
critics and whine about being criticized. But please don't try to pretend
that the last five years has been anything but a failure.
“Because America refused to coordinate an effort to arm the responsible
opposition in Syria, there has been no pressure for the regime to engage in
serious peace negotiations.” So . . . Gerson wants us to give
tons of weapons to Islamic revolutionaries in Syria huh? And those weapons will
never then be used against us or our allies huh? . . . yeah sure.And Yes, NOT immersing ourselves in another futile war in the Middle East IS
in fact a success Mr Gerson . . . Unless you think GW’s murderous and
suicidal frolic through Iraq represents the epitome of American statesmanship.
“ . . . this may now involve saving the Iraqi government . .
. “ You mean the Iraqi government established by the GW Bush
Administration? . . . that stripped power from Sunni’s and gave it to the
Shia? . . . Creating a Shiite–dominated government to rule a Sunni
majority? . . . And now as a consequence Shiite Iran is a greater threat than
ever before. WHY save it? Is it in the best
interests of the United States to expend massive resources saving a
GW-designed Iraqi government that destabilized the Middle East to the benefit
of Iran and to the HUGE DISADVANTAGE of America?Think.
Had Bush not taken us to war in Iraq, would that country be more stable today?
All we did was stir it up and made things worse. Sadaam Hussein was a bad guy,
yes, but so are a lot of other dictators. Did we go into Burma, for example? A
prior commenter stated so correctly: "invading Iraq was a blunder of epic
proportions." We will pay a steep price for this for decades to come. We
are still paying for overthrowing a democratically elected government in Iran in
the early 1950s, over 60 years ago. For Gerson to be critical is one of the
most astounding things ever. Clearly he closes his eyes to history, even recent
history. The pragmatism and rational approach of the Obama Administration is
long over due.
Iraq was going to take 6 months and be paid for by the oil. Check
your own delusions.
The isolation of the U.S. from all these foreign conflicts has for me been an
ideal that I thought we should attempt. Now however, I am beginning to see that
the world needs some American influence to help keep the world a somewhat stable
place. Otherwise, it would seem, a sort of entropy takes place and the result
is the worst people take over. And, in our modern era of worldwide economy, and
jet age travel, what happens in other seemingly remote places can affect us
here, whether we want it to or not. In other words we do need a foreign policy
of some kind other than "what happens in other places, stays in other
Anti-Obama every day.
The United States has a terrible decision to make - whether or not to save the
Iraq central government. Most of us realize that invading Iraq was a blunder of
epic proportions. It destroyed the only secular government in the region and
had the unintended (?) consequence of elevating Iran's influence. We broke
Iraq. But if one invokes the Powell doctrine - "you break it you own
it," maybe the U.S. needs to come to the rescue.
How can you say Obama is living with illusions when he's gone the distance
to protect American lives at Benghazi, carefully followed the law in
implementing the Affordable-Care-Act and letting everyone keep their doctor and
their insurance, made Putin stand down in the Ukraine, particularly Eastern
Ukraine, and immediately into office won the Nobel Peace Prize? This has to be
the best president ever-----just ask any Democrat that breathes.
Just another of the endless DN Anti-Obama rants! That having been said, it is my
opinion that he should keep us out and get us out of any and all Mid East
struggles present and future! Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan soon to follow are
great examples of history repeating itself!enough is enough! But it
matters not what course the POTUS takes, it can be counted on for the Repubs. to
hail it as a major history making blunder!