Brad Rock is right...the jazz don't have the horses to pull the cart! Jazz
brass should make any of its players available to be traded and look to find a
good young all-star caliber player to build around. They should especially look
to build a diminishing fan base by bringing in players that could be pieces to
the puzzle and a draw to Utah fans--Jabari Parker and Jimmer are two such
examples. If the Jazz brass is really smart, they would do whatever it takes to
move up in the draft to get Parker! Give Jazz fans some hope by bringing in some
potential all-stars...right now, I don't see any all-stars or potential
all-stars on the Jazz roster!
Creditability.....end of story....You have to be credible and if your a fly by
night sensation as a player and or a coach it will not take the players long to
figure that out. What is Snyder like "Away" from the game...what does he
do in his spare / private time...How solid is his marriage relationship or
should I say his "past" relationships...What really matters to him the
most.?. Sincere, dedicated, honest, men with integrity will win every time over
anyone that is not, and that is why there are very few leaders, coaches,
politicians, etc. that truly rise to the occasion beyond what is deemed average
because those that are around these great coaches, leaders, and politicians
...Like coach K of Duke ....are devoted because of who they are and what they
Life is good. The world is right. I don't agree with anything the Rock
says. If Hayward comes back the Jazz will make the playoffs in 2015. Remember
what the Rock said about the rookie Suns coach.
Kakashi - perhaps I overstated when I suggested Duncan would be an average
player in another system. But think how many number one picks have gone bust
and consider that it might be because they were in the wrong system. And what
you later stated about Duncan, he's "unselfish...he never mentions that
its all about him...its always the team" is exactly what I was trying to say
about the whole team.I don't like Greg Popovich personally.
He's ornery, rude and usually acts like a jerk, especially to the press.
But who has EVER done more with less. He has had players that have played great
because they have played for him. It's been the exact opposite for Phil
Jackson. He has come into situations where great players already existed. But
Pop has built great players by the system he runs and the way he treats his
players. Yes, I'm saying he's a better coach than Jackson.So I'm hoping Quinn Snyder is that same type of coach as Popovich
@ECRDuncan was never an average player...he was really a franchise
player...he isnt going to be the first overall pick...if he was an average
player....Duncan is unselfish...he never mentions that its all about him...its
always the team...also you need a coach that has a good system that would work
well...and build around it...
Henry Drummond - I totally agree with your comments. San Antonio has great
players but more than that they have a great attitude, great team work,
unselfish play. That comes from their coach. Individually those guys (Parker,
Duncan, etc) would be average players. But together they are outstanding.
It's the coach that makes them that way. Let's hope (pray) that Snyder
can do something similar.
i hope they start burks at 2 next year...and make him the focal point of the
offense...Hayward if the money is right should be resigned...he'd be the
glue guy that does everything...Trey Burke...meh...i really think he is just a
back up PG...if you have Burke's size you need to be tough as nails to be
able to finish in the rim...but last year...he gets bumped off...that's the
difference between him and his idol Allen Iverson...if he wanted to be an
all-star...he better make shots after contact...and would look to hit players
more rather than shy away from them...Unless Kanter forgets everything Al
Jefferson taught him about defense...he needs to be the 6th man....and this is
my reason why i would want to see Vonleh drafted by the Jazz...He presents a
mismatch by being a stretch 4...and with his length...could develop to be a good
defender...if Snyder could teach demarre how to shoot...he could teach jeremy
evans...so he could move to the 3...and getting gobert kanter off the
bench...one for offense one for defense..
It is less about talent with the Jazz and more about development, mostly
psychological. The Jazz would be much better if Hayward looked like he really
believed he belonged in the NBA and if Favors wouldn't mope around so much
if things don't go well on the court. And, another thing, stop making
Kanter a back-to-the-basket player; he's a pick and pop guy who can set
tough screens and defensive rebound, kind of a poor man's Bill Laimbeer.The best thing about their new coach is that he was very successful at
the college level in an immediate and dramatic manner. He seems like the type
that can get it together for the Jazz right away. Corbin, on the other hand,
never earned the right to coach the Jazz after his disastrous stint as interim
coach following Sloan's resignation.
In addition to having a very young team the Jazz had a lot of things going
against them last year: they acquired about $20 million in dead weight
contracts, they were playing the entire year with the notion that if they loose
that's okay because we will get a high draft pick, and for the first 14
games or so we didn't have any NBA caliber point guard on our roster. You
throw into the mix bad coaching and horrible defensive schemes and you end up
with the worst record in the West.The Jazz will not have that
"it's okay to loose" mentality this year and that might be the most
important factor. They also will have NBA quality point guards on the roster
from the beginning, all the players will be one year older and theoretically
improved and I can't imagine the coaching being any worse.I
don't think the Jazz will make the playoffs next year, but I do believe the
Jazz will have at least one future all star on this year's roster.
Blasphemy! IF Corbin had just started the fab 5 they would have won 45 games.
Now that Quinn for the Winn is In, we is playoff bound, becasue unlike Corbin he
is going to teach them how to shoot and play defense. It was Corbin that was
holding Kanter back. If he just would have let him shoot 3s then he would be
energized to play D. And it was Corbins falut that Hayward messed the bed in his
contract year. If Corbin had schemes that would let hayward get to the basket
and shoot shots with his feet set, Hayward would have made the allstar game THIS
YEar. And Rudy Gobert. If Corbin would have let him play more he would have
learned how to catch the ball. That record was all on Corbin. The fab 5 are all
multiple allstars. I just hope Corbin didn't permenently damage them with
his poor coaching technique.
Very interesting comments as a whole but someone did not do their homework on
Snyder. He was a high school talent be sure and a average college talent without
doubt but his experiences in his high school program taught him that integrity
was not an important characteristic when it came to building good solid teams
that had character as such. The program that he was in during his high school
career was well known for recruiting players from outside the boundaries and or
finding ways to arrange it to be legal ...hence ...a very effective program but
key players were really not Mercer Island residents....Go ahead several years
and you see at Mizzu similar type issues that were his downfall or contributed
to it. Obviously in the pro ranks these issues are not as critical but in the
mormon community integrity is everything. Additionally...Look at his hiring
history...he never stays too long with anyone and that does not sit well with
fans either... He seems to always be looking for the next hire even though he
has just been hired...Not a credible and stable atmosphere to build a solid
@AFCoug: I don't see how, after bagging on Corbin for misuse of his players
and lack of development, you could then turn around and claim that picking
Kanter was a mistake. All I can say is: don't give up on the guy yet.He's shown that he can be an offensive force and, while his defense
was more than a little suspect, he was learning defense from one of the worst
coaching staffs in the league. Remember how everyone bagged on Big Al and said
that he would never play defense? Well what happened when he played for a coach
that actually could design an NBA-caliber defensive scheme? Surprise, he could
actually play a little d.Kanter is an almost guaranteed 20 and 10
guy and with the right coach I think his defense could improve greatly.
Don't give up on a guy that could be very valuable to the franchise until
he's had the chance to play for a real coach.
"How can any intelligent being even take a guess at what the Jazz will do
next year." - joe5It's not as hard as it might seem.Take a look at the core of the team and you'll realize it's
unlikely to change i.e., Favors, Kanter, Burks, Burke, Hayward, Evans and
Gobert. The rest of team didn't play all that many minutes, except for
Marvin Williams, Richard Jefferson and Diante Garrett.With the core
players back, it's almost a given that they will get back to 25 wins
without too much trouble. In my opinion, last season there were 10 losses that
were directly caused by Corbin. Add in a high draft pick, and a new coach who
understands game management and player development, and it's easy to see
the Jazz improving by at least 10 games. That's how I came up with 37 wins
for the 2014-15 season.If the Jazz don't get to at least 35
wins, I will gladly eat crow.Am I psychic? Well ... a little bit.
Last year, I correctly predicted the exact day my sister-in-law was going to
have her first baby. Five months before he was born. (November 22nd)
San Antonio has succeeded by developing talent rather than trying to buy it.
Watching the last two games in particular gives me hope that with the right
coach, Utah can do likewise.
Not a Corbin fan. I supported him unti lthis year. I know the team had less
talent but Jefferson and Milsap leave and become better players elsewhere and
all stars to boot. That tells me he likley was not using them.
Jefferson's D even increased on a horrible Hornets/Bobcats team. Milsap
became a stretch 4! We all knew he could hit the 3 but never saw it here except
on rare occassion.A good coach plays to the strenght of his players
and helps them improve those strenghts or develop new ones. Why doesn't
Favor have a go to offensive move. Why are Burke and hayward shooting at or
below 40%. Are they better than 40% shooters. I believe so.Haywar
has a good all round game and if he gets more efficient will be very good.
Burke needs to improve shooting and D. Burks has all star potential and is
explosive. evans showed an improved jumper last year that if he can take it out
a bit further will make a great and athletic 3 instead of 4. Kanter, well what
to say. Jazz messed up on that pick.Bottom line Jazz should
improve. By how much? Who knows.
I usually enjoy the Rockmonster's columns but this one sure appeared to be
mailed in. It was filled with question-begging (Corbin improved the young
players? I doubt many Jazz fans would agree) and a complete misunderstanding of
why Jazz fans were upset with Corbin and why his contract wasn't
renewed.No one expected the Jazz to make the playoffs last year, not
even the FO. Ty was told at the beginning of the season that he would not be
judged on record but on improvement of the defense and development of the young
guys. He failed in both of those areas so he was gone.No one
believes that the Jazz will make the playoffs this year, especially in the tough
West. However, what we fans want to see is improvement on defense and more than
2 minutes of the core 5 playing together instead of giving huge minutes to
mercenary vets like Richard freakin' Jefferson.If Snyder gives
us that, this year will be a success and we'll have a good foundation upon
which to build so that we can get back to the playoffs some day. It's
surprising that Brad Rock doesn't understand that.
I think the current roster is good enough to make the playoffs with the right
coaching.For success beyond that, yes, they need 1 or 2 more all-star
level players.Lets see what the new coach can do.
How can any intelligent being even take a guess at what the Jazz will do next
year. They don't even have half of their roster yet. If they repeat what
they did last summer, they could end up with players like Jefferson, Rush, and
Biedrins. Then what happens to that 37-45 projection?Before the
season started last year, I predicted 26 wins. But at least I waited until they
had a team compiled.
I disagree with Brad today. Hiring a more capable head coach (no offense to
Corbin) can give you at least 5 games- closing out games with smart lineup
decisions, game plan, improved defensive schemes, etc. Picking a solid player in
the draft, not even an all star, can give you at least another 5 games because
you can pose at least one more threat on the floor-offensively or defensively.
Using money and/or assets to build a decent bench can give another 5
games-providing more stable game flow, not the large talent gap between starters
and backups. Add another 5 games due to more experience for the young guys, and
the Jazz are all of a sudden reaching for the bottom playoff spot 1 year after
being a bottom feeder.So yes, a coach will not be THE game changer
for the Jazz, but it is definitely a factor that you want to incorporate.
I appreciate the first 3 comments made here regarding this article. This
article is negative, and while it's probable the Jazz will not make the
playoffs this year all we look for is improvement and growth. I believe the
Jazz will add couple of new pieces this year and next year and then I think the
playoffs will be in sight again. I'm sure there will be negative comments
to come, but I'm glad I don't live my life with the old "the glass
is half empty" outlook. Keep plugging along Jazz and you will have the
support of your best fans, and the bandwagon fans will come back too as the team
Wait, wasn't Corbin the coach 2 years ago when they had 2 current
all-stars, Millsap and Jefferson? He failed to get a competitive team to the
playoffs 2 years ago, he failed to develop young talent the past 2 years giving
way too many minutes to veterans with expiring contracts this year. I think he
is a great person, but he had his chances, I don't see any defense for him.
The only thing he succeeded at was reviving the career of Richard Jefferson,
only because he gave Jefferson a chance. I believe Jefferson still did all the
work coming into camp prepared and ready to lead. A new coach made a world of
difference in Phoenix this past year. I'm excited for the changes coming.
I have high hopes for the Jazz and feel they will show a marked improvement in
the upcoming season. Here's my prediction for where the 2014-2015 Jazz team
will finish.37-45(Last season, I predicted the Jazz would win
24 games.)The Jazz will end up losing a lot of close games and
finish out of the playoffs for another year, but improvement will be clearly
seen. Alec Burks, Derrick Favors, Jeremy Evans and Trey Burke will all blossom
under Quin Snyder's tutelage. By the end of season, the Jazz will be seen
as giant killers; unfortunately, it will be too little too late as the early
season losses will keep them out of the playoffs for another year. But watch out
for what happens in the 2015-2016 season, when I predict they will make the
playoffs and be seen as a dangerous team to have to play.Too
optimistic? I don't think so. In my opinion, The Jazz have hired the right
coach, one who cares about player development and defense. Anything over 37 wins
and he will have exceeded my expectations. Make the playoffs and he will be seen
by Ute/Jazz fans as the second coming of Rick Majerus.
I think it's debatable whether or not Corbin improved his players. They
certainly didn't improve their defense, especially as a team. It will be
interesting to see if the players improve under Snyder and play to see what
their potential is. If they have peaked the teams troubles go much deeper than
a coach and a draft pick, but I think this team can get A LOT better with the
What a negative article. I have to admit that I was wrong early in the past
season saying that I thought the young Jazz would pick things up in the second
half and finish close to a .500 record. I don't think I'm wrong,
though, thinking that Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter and Alec Burks
will all turn out to be fine NBA players. Oh, and you have to be blind not to
see the improvement in both Favors and Burks this past season. I can say the
following with confidence: the Jazz will be better next year, partly because of
the draft, partly because of continued development of their still young nucleus,
partly because of the play of Rudy Gobert and hopefully Raul Neto, partly
because of a free agent aquisition or two, and partly because of the efforts and
guidance of their management team and new head coach.