@POYWOMAN"Anytime that Jimmer has gotten minutes he has
delivered... He has not only done well but his team has as well... Fredette will
play in the NBA next season... He will probably even stay with the Bulls but
wherever he goes he will offer something that there is little of in this
league... Teamwork and Individual Scoring Power off the bench... A game
changer..."LOL...Classic cougie fan blind logic. Jimmers minutes
mostly come in garbage time hard to get anything out of that. As far as you
saying Jimmer and teamwork in the same sentence has to be the funniest thing
I've read all year. The guy was the biggest ball hog in college basketball
history! All cougie fans say teams need a shooter well Jimmer isn't a
shooter only reason he seems that way is because he took 50 shots a game look
back at college box scores more often than not he shot 35% or less from field!
NaturleyBYU" I believe he will continue to produce for teams in
the NBA. He can score against too defenders. Just ask Kawhi Leonard, one of the
op defender for the Spurs."I bet he has forgotten all about
Jimmer by now. Since that silly little college feud he is onto bigger and better
things. Jimmer can score against 2 defenders in Europe.
cmnsense"Cmon Jazz. A bargain price for a great shooter! The
average attendance should go up a couple thousand per game and I'm pretty
sure with all that fan support his numbers would go up. Bring him off the bench.
It may be a small circus, but people go to the circus because of
the entertainment value. Hey, Jimmer is a great person and wonderful guy to have
around for fan relations. Throw us a bone. You owe us fans after the product you
put up last season."Really? I thought the Jazz wanted to get
better and not pacify one portion of their delusional fanbase. CJ Wilcox is
local and He isn't proven yet. Why not him? Jimmer has blown it with 2
Once rivals have taken totally different turns in the NBA. Leonard
now has a championship and was the Finals MVP.Jimmer is riding the
pine and on his way to Germany.
uteology,You are correct, the sting from a 20 point beat down, by a
mid-level pac 12 team, obviously still hurts. But, yet, people still talk about
the glorious past like it was yesterday, 1984, anyone?
Yes, Jimmer "only needs to find the right team", and much like St. Jake,
it appears as if he is going to go through every one before it's proven,
the "right" team is not in the NBA
@sammygObviously from all of the negative comments about Jimmer
it's clear his half court shot still stings.Give up the hate,
it's really pathetic after all this time.Pay him the respect he
deserves... good grief.--------------Care to tell us
what has Jimmer done to deserve respect in the NBA?Kawhi Leonard
deserves respect, 2014 Champion and Finals MVP. Jimmer is just an over-hyped,
below average NBA player according to NBA scouts/pundits:"Finally, the Jimmer was unveiled as 90 percent media creation, 10 percent
basketball prodigy. No reasonable person can watch Jimmer and Kemba, and tell me
Jimmer's in the same league. Laughable. The Jimmer and that hype is done!
That guy, trust me, is coming to an NBA bench near you."
Things do work out and sometimes do not. The best of luck to the Jimmer wherever
10CC,"...his weaknesses are amplified very quickly if a team
isolates him vs. a serious athlete..." Perhaps maybe like a kawhi leonard??
Who is now on a team competing in the NBA finals, an is consistently matched up
against the best player on the court, Lebron James because of his athleticism
and ability to defend. If I recall right, this same kawhi Leonard and team got
torched by Jimmer Fredette with 43 points. I'm not so sure Jimmer has much
of a problem with isolation against top defenders. Jimmer is a scorer.
That's why he was drafted. The stats don't lie. I don't care how
many minutes he got, the fact of the matter is that he was efficient and
productive whenever he was on the court. Particularly in the last two years.
Given a chance, with more minutes, I believe he will continue to produce for
teams in the NBA. He can score against too defenders. Just ask Kawhi Leonard,
one of the op defender for the Spurs.
Cmon Jazz. A bargain price for a great shooter! The average attendance should
go up a couple thousand per game and I'm pretty sure with all that fan
support his numbers would go up. Bring him off the bench. It
may be a small circus, but people go to the circus because of the entertainment
value. Hey, Jimmer is a great person and wonderful guy to have around for fan
relations. Throw us a bone. You owe us fans after the product you put up last
Obviously from all of the negative comments about Jimmer it's clear his
half court shot still stings.Give up the hate, it's really
pathetic after all this time. Pay him the respect he deserves...
coach Thibodeu I think didn't use Jimmer to has advantage, he reminded me
of a stubborn coach afraid to try something new in the playoffs. Jimmer would
have helped the Bulls get to another round. I hope coach Thibodeu doesn't
go to the Lakers. Jimmer is a NBA caliber player. On another subject BYU
football is a Power 5 talent team, better than half of the power 5 football
teams. The ACC and SEC made the statement because in the power 5 there is enough
lower talent, the Yutes of the world, the higher ranked teams can schedule and
tout look at how many power 5 teams we beat. In the end the good ol boy
committee can falsely justify their decision for the 4 play off teams. After a
few years of # 5 and # 6 not getting in things will change. Its too bad we have
to wait any longer. Cut to the chase and schedule a 16 team playoff.
Jimmer is better than anyone on the Jazz team!!!!
LovelyDeseret-He only looks slow because you have to blink, every time you
look at him. It is the complexion. Or, maybe it is just because everyone else
on the court is so darn fast. Where is Cletus on this subject?Seriously, I think he will have a good NBA career. The league really needs a
few players with good character.
White slower guards in the NBA really don't have a spot in this athletic
era. He needs to be the showcase and that won't happen since he a slow
Finally started looking good on D in that last game with Chicago. Maybe
he'll land some extended minutes there or somewhere else now. We'll
For 1978 and in all due respect to you also. In your first post you did not
mention the games you thought exceeded the Utah effort. It was the only one
mentioned. And in previous posts on Fredette that I have read about on this site
it is always the Utah game that is brought up by the various posters. Your top
three are games I was unaware of, not following BYU to much of any degree. Still
can't see him ever being more than a bench player and some instant offense
when needed. He is just too one dimensional.
Jimmer needs a good situation and once that happens it will be clear sailing.
He couldn't have been put in a worse situation starting his career with the
Kings, talk about a cancer, may be the worst franchise in sports. In Chicago I
don't feel he was ever given a shot, but then again most of Chicago's
bench doesn't get a shot. Thibadeau is a great defensive coach and a decent
head coach, but doesn't know how to use the strengths of his players, and
doesn't show faith in many of his players. San Antonio would allow Jimmer
to shine. He can play serviceable defense, this is the NBA, there's lots
of NBA players who play no defense but are considered good players. So it's
going to be about a team that understands basketball to use his talents. He may
not be an all pro player but I think he could be a very good NBA player.
Fredette has not been given a chance because he is a Caucasian American. The NBA
does not favor white American players, even if they have talent. Overseas
players are fine. You think it preposterous? Think again.
Can we hear some more from Cletus?
I wish the Jazz had taken him; he be a big money maker in SLC.
Ya the Ute fans love to jump on the Jimmer articles. They are still oh so
bitter at what he did to their team. Did the Utes ever beat Jimmer? Who knows
how many times the Utes lost against Jimmer?
Honest assessment after having watched Jimmer play several times this past year.
He can shoot the ball, anyone arguing this point should keep their mouth
closed. However, he is slow, really really slow. He can't create his own
shot. He can in transition when the defenders aren't set but off the
dribble he doesn't have it. Which leads me to my analysis on his defense,
or lack thereof. He is to slow. Slow slow slow. He gets burned, looks lost,
and flat out just gets beat. He is a good kid with a lot of talent when it
comes to scoring, but other than that, he is at best a bench player with 3-7
minutes a game, which most of us on here would love the money he makes working
that hard. Go UTES!!
Chris B. must have nothing to do except find articles about BYU or the LDS
Church and then make nasty remarks. Every time I take the time to follow down to
the Comments, he is there with nothing positive to say.
Jimmer brought me back to college hoops. First I ever heard about him was when
channel surfing I caught the last half of the Arizona game. Jimmer drops 48 or
so and I was hooked! Signed up for the Mtn and recorded every game.I
can see Jimmer in the Knicks new Triangle offense. Like Steve Kerr, Jimmer could
be a game changer there. Phil Jackson knows how to use shooters.As
for Europe: I'd love to play hoops in Europe for a living. I know former
Utah star Luke Nevill. He's played in Russia, Australia, Taiwan. Great guy
and is enjoying his world travels. His wife is the daughter of a friend of mine,
and she likes it too. Great experience. I'd do it in a heartbeat if I were
Jimmer.P.S. Another friend of mine has a daughter at BYU who married
(gasp!) a UofU defensive back ... Turns out he's a great guy too. Dang.
BJMoose commented:"People keep harking back to that one magical
night in Fredettes college career."With all due respect I
wouldn't even list it as one of his top three performances in college.The top three would be:52 pts. against New Mexico in the MWC
tournament.49 pts. against Arizona in the McHale Center enroute to a 99-69
victory.43 pts. against undefeated #4 San Diego State.All of
the above teams were more highly rated than Utah when they played them.
Look at the salaries of the last players on each team.Look at the
value of NBA franchises.There is not a team in the NBA (bottom
dwellers especially) who could not afford a shooter.Jimmer is a
shooter.Placed with the right team...You never know...
We seen Jimmer win us bad that one time when he got lucky for 47 points in our
house but that was just luck and it don’t mean he can play in the NBA
because it was luck.Go Utes!
I keep hearing about defensive statistics. I would be interested in knowing how
one evaluates statistics defensively. This article keeps us in the dark (as do
most articles) about the details. Someone please explain!
So, Lebron won't be recruiting Jimmer to head to S Beach?
Posted by 1978:And to think... This player who may not be good enough to
make it in the NBA dropped 47 pts on Utah in the Huntsman Center enroute to a
104-79 BYU blowout over Utah on the road.People keep harking back to
that one magical night in Fredettes college career. I remember the very first
year the Jazz came to Utah they had a 10th round pick (yes the NBA draft was 10
rounds back then) named Paul Dawkins who made the team. He also had one magical
night when he dropped 30 points on Portland in one half hitting 13 of 15 shots.
He played for the Jazz for one year and also was never heard of again.From
Wikipedia:Following his collegiate career, Dawkins was drafted in the 10th
round of the 1979 NBA Draft by the Utah Jazz. Dawkins appeared in 57 games while
averaging 13.6 minutes and 5.5 points per game. He scored 30 points in one half
during a game against the Portland Trail Blazers, making 13 of 15 shots from the
He'll end up with the celtics. you wait.
Jimmer ate Kawhi Leonards lunch twice while playing in the NCAA. One player
continued to progress and is playing at the highest levelNo way in
the world is Jimmer even in the same ball park as Kawhi who guards the worlds
best basketball player at the same time as he is scoring 19 ppg in the NBA
Its about timing and location.....if he had not gone to the Kings and ended up
with say a team like San Antonio, things may have been different......during the
Olympic team work outs Jimmer was part of, Kevin Durrant said(tweeted) some nice
things about him, K.Leonard of the Spurs has said great things about him as
well. Chicago got him late in the season where it takes time for players to
learn a system, let alone defensive schemes. I am not making excuses for him
but a different venue, a different coach(like Poppovich), teammates who are team
oriented (a law the Spurs) could help....it can be the system as well.I do however agree he has to improve on his foot speed and defense.....
If Jimmer had played for the U Chris B. would sound exactly like the Cougars do
here.Who to believe, who to believe...
@AFCougTo say Fredette is better than Trey Burke is outlandish. And
then you said Burke is not athletic. I don't know what to say there. Some stats (Jimmer's shooting) is misleading. He doesn't take
a lot of shots, get many minutes, or receive any defensive attention to shut him
down. Full time starters and real scoring threats get defenses to focus on
shutting them down. This belief that Jimmer can be a solid NBA
player based on his shooting range reminds me of BYU football fans who think
they have the better team because the had more total yards in games they lose.
The complete package is not there. Jimmer can't play defense at all or
create his own shot in the NBA like he did in college. Also, he is not a NBA PG,
can't run a team, is to short to play SG and is slow. As for BYU football,
yardage between the 20 yard lines (both sides of the field) and RED zone offense
inside the opponents 20 yard line are different animals/yards as well.
If that Jazz had Jimmer they would have won 5 more games minimum. They blew so
many leads in the last 5 minutes because they have no one with the confidence to
play smart. The Jazz offense in the last half of the 4th quarter consisted of
'run around and dribble until there was 1 second on the clock and then
throw up a prayer'. You could use Jimmer to hold the ball if the other team
in fouling - guaranteed free throws or put him in the corner for a 3 if you need
to score. He has been misused and pure shooters are a rare commodity in any
Egg and Crow Meat have become a food staple for ute fans... They live on it...
Jimmer is just another serving...Anytime that Jimmer has gotten
minutes he has delivered... He has not only done well but his team has as
well... On a few occasions when all seemed lost and Malone was throwing in the
towel and Jimmer was put on the floor he nearly brought his team back for a
"W" (one of those times was last year in the staple center)...Fredette will play in the NBA next season... He will probably even stay with
the Bulls but wherever he goes he will offer something that there is little of
in this league... Teamwork and Individual Scoring Power off the bench... A game
changer...So to my ute fan friends get ready for yet another serving
of your favorite dish... Egg for the face and Crow for the tummy. But as I have
said before that is a diet that you have grown accustomed to....
Jimmer's one of the biggest lottery busts in the history of the NBA draft.
BYU failed him for not teaching him how to play any defense at all. Yep,
it's BYU's fault.
Most of us thought a change to Chicago would "free" him. Every time
Jimmer entered the game, it was electric. Earlier in his NBA career he did seem
lost on defense. But I watched his 2 games where he played more than 15 min.
with Chicago and he was great on defense. Great effort. He anticipated, hustled,
threw his body around. I'm not an NBA coach, but when someone scores 25 pts
one game and doesn't play the next 3 games, I just don't get that
reasoning. One of those games in Chicago, I watched Noah and Boozer giving him
high 5's, the crowd was giving it to him (opposite of the disgusting
response you Ute fans give when he comes to ESA) and he was loose. Maybe Jimmer
is disinterested in defense during practice. I don't know, but he still
hasn't been given a chance. And for a team that was scraping the bottom of
the barrel offensively, you would have thought Tibbidow would bend over
backwards to stretch the floor, put Jimmer on the perimeter to open up the
inside. Good luck Jimmer. Keep your head up.
I think Jimmer is quite happy with his current "roomie".
1978Salt Lake City, UTAnd to think... This player who may not
be good enough to make it in the NBA dropped 47 pts on Utah in the Huntsman
Center enroute to a 104-79 BYU blowout over Utah on the road.Imagine
how lopsided the game would have been if he were an "NBA" talent.-------------That's like saying imagine how lopsided
the 54-10 game would have been if Wynn was a PAC-12 QB.
Jimmer is a good player. He just needs to be taller, faster and play defense.
Fredette just needs to find a team who will understand how and when to use him.
Given the right situation, I think he'd prove to be a valuable asset.I'd even be fine with the Jazz picking him up for reasonably low
price. Given the number of openings the Jazz have on the roster, it
wouldn't be much of a gamble. And he would certainly sell a ton of tickets
for the Jazz. It's a no-brainer to take the risk.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UTIndianaCoug,He'll be in a
Euro league within 2 years. Mark it down.May 11, 2011
Enjoyed this article. Neat to hear Jimmer was 47 percent from the floor this
year, and 47 percent from 3-point range, and that he had a positive win share on
Go Jimmer!I would express a stronger view point but the kind and
loving people that screen these comments would almost surely deem them worthless
while allowing others to state highly objectionable viewpoints without the same
@1978 - just imagine how bad the 54-10 game could have been if Utah had an NFL
caliber QB. Jimmer was a very good college player and you
don't see any comments from U fans regarding his college results. That
doesn't mean he is going to make it in the NBA. He hasn't broken
trough with two teams and will possibly have a chance for a third try next year.
If he doesn't get playing time next season, it will be time to go to
Jimmer is easily an NBA player he just hasn't had the right situation. He
is a shooter and shooters always have a place but it has to be with the right
team. That being said, even I, a Jimmer fan, am a bit weary of these articles
every month arguing about Jimmer. Can we move on?
The fact that so many anti-jimmers jump on every article about Jimmer shows that
he is still relevant. If nobody really cared there would be no point in
commenting. Jimmer has game and he will find his place. He earned his place in
history of great college basektball players. What happens in the NBA is a
differnt chapeter of a differnt book. He is a class act. Always has been and
always will be. Good luck to Jimmer and go Cougars!
He is better than any PG on the Jazz. Burke hit what, 33% from distance and 38%
over all. And the Jazz gave him extended minutes. His defense was questionable
at best as well and he got eaten alive by the athletic guards in the league.
Burke is shorter than Jimmer and just as un-athletic as Jimmer and yet so many
Ute/Jazz fans are cheering for Burke. Personally I would love to see Jimmer
return to Utah and once he opened up the Jazz offense and spread the floor,
something the Jazz have not done well for several years, all the Ute fans
slamming him would end up loving him. Go jazz and Go Jimmer!
I am a Utah fan who would like to see Jimmer succeed, but I don't think he
has the skill set to do it at the NBA level.When he enters free
agency, we will see how he is perceived by people who make a living judging NBA
And to think... This player who may not be good enough to make it in the NBA
dropped 47 pts on Utah in the Huntsman Center enroute to a 104-79 BYU blowout
over Utah on the road.Imagine how lopsided the game would have been
if he were an "NBA" talent.
Not much of an analysis that does't include the second half of the game,
namely defense. Or is this a two part article?
He could be a Celtic, next year.
Hey Jazz, he's open and go take him. Give him a chance when he didn't
have them in Sac Town. He may not be needed as a starter or full time but he can
hit a big one when needed, mark that down!Go Jimmer!
Someone once asked me "what I had ever done to tell him how to coach"
after I asked a simple question about a game outcome. Well aside from
officiating hundreds of games and being involved in other ways (other than as a
fan) in hundreds of others maybe, nothing, is the right answer. So many, who
have a lesser pedigree, suggest that they can prognosticate whether Jimmer can
stay in the NBA and other negativites that relate in anyway to BYU. When the
reality is Jimmer's future and your bias's have no effect on his
future or the outcomes of any sporting or life events. Period
@Truth MachineJimmer is far from finished as an NBA player...
prepare to be proven wrong, yet again.----------------Hope
your a better judge of talent than some NBA scouts and pundits:“Jimmer Fredette has never shown that he can do all that much in the
NBA....Fredette lacks the physical attributes required to play at an elite
level in the NBA. “Where’s the strength? Where’s the foot
quickness? Where’s the length? He’s way down in the equation
physically in the NBA.” -- NBA Scout (Breitbart Sports)"Jimmer Fredette will be in Europe in a year or two. He has no future in
the league. None. He can't create his own shot, he has a hard time coming
off screens for a shot and he's not a point guard." – NBA Scout
(Deseret News)"Until he shows more interest in defense than a
blind man has in rainbows, he's going to spend most of his NBA life sitting
on padded folding chairs...you think this barely 6-2 kid with no speed and YMCA
hops can be the next Maravich or Ainge or Westbrook? Fredette about it."
Jimmer to the Heat and BYU to the Big 12... Get 'er done! According to NBA scouts/pundits/Kings/Bulls and ACC/SEC/MWC, Jimmer is a NBA
player as much as BYU football is a Power 5 team.
I think a lot of us thought Jimmer had a good chance to play successfully in the
NBA. We also felt he had not been given much of a chance. I think he will now
play in Europe and probably be very good there.
Jimmer might still be worth a low dollar contract.
And the coach decided to let the season expire by not playing him. Ask San
Antonio. They understand the importance of someone with Jimmers skills. Coach
SA made an interesting comment during the last game about what is essential to
win. Chicago did not agree and exited earlier.Mark
Chris B"Well, his career has played out about how I expected it
to."A complete fabrication.You claimed Jimmer
wouldn't even be drafted, let alone make an NBA roster.Jimmer
is far from finished as an NBA player... prepare to be proven wrong, yet again.
Length and athleticism are two ingredients that it's hard to substitute for
in the NBA. Certainly, there are hundreds of very long, very
athletic guys who aren't playing in the league because they can't
consistently knock down an open jumper, as well.Jimmer may be able
to provide some minutes against some teams, but given the level of athleticism
in the NBA overall, his weaknesses are amplified very quickly if a team isolates
him vs. a serious athlete. Against somebody like Russell Westbrook, it's
coaching suicide to put Jimmer on the floor at all.In terms of
height & weight, Jimmer is roughly the same dimensions as Andre Miller (who
is at the tail end of his career), but a 4th year Andre Miller would eat
Jimmer's lunch all day long, even Jimmer is clearly a better shooter and
always has been.
I guess coach Thibodeu disagrees with the assessment of this writer.Who to trust, who to trust?
That's pretty much what I have concluded. Jimmer may be a "one trick
pony" but its a pretty great trick. I think he would fit in better in a
"7 seconds or less" offense where he's driving to the three point
line and putting up a shot rather than as a "stretch the floor" guy
spotting up the corner. It will be interesting to see where he ends
up, but I believe it will be the NBA not overseas. Still it wouldn't hurt
his career to learn better defense. That's the big thing holding him back
Well, his career has played out about how I expected it to. Maybe
we just need to free him from a perfect team like Chicago that plays great
defense and can afford a bad defensive player and also in need of 3 point
shooting.If Chicago couldn't make him work, who can?Enjoy Europe Jimmer!