That is what the parties want. They want us believing every word that falls out
of their mouth. They love it, the more partisan the better.
@nicholdraper: The Bush tax cuts only ended for people making over $400,000 a
year, for anyone making less, they remained the same. I'm rather certain
that that had no effect on your young co-worker. So you are correct. The
intelligence of the debate has not improved.
Hey Nicholdraper –While you’re chuckling at
Pragmatistforlife, save a couple of chuckles for yourself.Obama did
not “end the Bush tax cuts.” They expired.In fact, it
was the Democrats in Congress who wanted to extend those cuts for the Middle
Class but Republicans voted them down.“Congressional Democrats offered two
attempts to extend the Bush-era rates for ‘middle income’ families
but restore the previous, higher rates for ‘high income’
people.” - WikipediaHow typical of Conservatives to make wild
and FALSE claims.I agree with your assertion that "The
intelligence of the arguments has not improved" over the last 30 years.. . . Especially on the "Conservative" side.
Thank you pragmatistferlife for the good chuckle this morning. You wrote
"Roe v Wade was passed in 1973 with both Republicans and Democrats."
That is the typical liberal, comment, they don't even know the difference
between a court decision and a legislative act. I worked with a young liberal
who was hopping mad when Obama ended the Bush tax cuts and his take home
decreased by $300 a month. He said that he voted for Obama because he believed
that Romney would raise taxes. Being older I don't know if the divide has
gotten wider. It seemed very wide in the 70's during the Vietnam war. But
the intelligence of the arguments hasn't improved.
"There was a time when most democrats wouldn't support same sex
marriage, abortion, out of control spending, leaving Iraqis to be killed by
terrorists, allow Iran to get the bomb, allow North Korea to get the bomb, call
out officers for being racists with no facts, allow ambassadors to get
slaughtered, limited government etc."Oh my sir, these thoughts
are really something. Roe v Wade was passed in 1973 with both Republicans and
Democrats. Democrats now simply are still in support of the law.Same
Sex Marriage wasn't even a possibility until a few years ago. Regan tripled the budget, Clinton, increased the deficit, and Bush more than
doubled it. So everyone participated and it's simply a value judgment on
your part that it's "out of control". Not really so. Iran has not acquired a bomb under Obama, but North Korea got their bomb under
GWB. 13 embassy attacks under GWB with 52 dead including one embassy
employee.You just keep thinking though Butch, some day you'll
stumble on the truth.
The nomenclature of Democrat, Republican, Right, Left, Liberal or Conservative
are simply smokescreen names the politicians use to disguise the real division
of people. The actual division of people, with a few million exceptions, are
best defined as Business versus workers. In some countries the words were Lord
and Commons. As the business sector consolidates their hold over
our government and the workers are put down, the division of people will
increase. Then we will have a revolution and the whole process will start over.
Somehow I did not need a study to tell me things have gotten more partisan.
"Americans are increasingly more ideologically consistent since 1994 and,
therefore, more partisan . . ."Well Yes and NO.Right
Wingers (aka "Conservatives") are increasingly more ideological.Liberals and everyone else, responding to that Right Wing Extremism,
are increasingly more realistic.
@There You Go AgainSaint George, UTIn the interest of fair and
balanced comments...Another view...Republican oligarchs
and plutocrats will continue to siphon off every penny destroying the middle
class while Republicans who are too stupid to realize what's happening
continue to let it happen.Why don't republicans understand
history?The years leading up to the great depression are being
repeated...with the full blessing of the Republican Political Machine as well as
those people who choose to sustain it.1:08 p.m. June 12, 2014======== Great comment -- Agreed.Cut and
"There you go again" Bad news: there are at least as many DEMOCRAT
plutocrats and oligarchs as there are Republican ones.Or are
"democrat" plutocrats somehow better than Republican ones?What has Obama done to improve the lives of "middle-class"
Americans?BOTH parties rely on the "middle-class" to pay the
bills. The "rich" just don't want to(and nobody seems to be able
to make them) and the "poor" can't.That leaves the rest of
Newspapers like this one, certainly doesn't help us to become less
partisan. Look at the letters published, editorials written, and even the photos
used.Democrats: can do no goodRepubs: can do no wrong
In the interest of fair and balanced comments...Another view...Republican oligarchs and plutocrats will continue to siphon off every
penny destroying the middle class while Republicans who are too stupid to
realize what's happening continue to let it happen.Why
don't republicans understand history?The years leading up to
the great depression are being repeated...with the full blessing of the
Republican Political Machine as well as those people who choose to sustain it.
There was a time when most democrats wouldn't support same sex marriage,
abortion, out of control spending, leaving Iraqis to be killed by terrorists,
allow Iran to get the bomb, allow North Korea to get the bomb, call out officers
for being racists with no facts, allow ambassadors to get slaughtered, limited
government etc.Now I have seen a majority of them go the way of the
radicals in their group. Then turn around and use their perceived power to
persecute anyone who opposes them, believes in God, believes in traditional
families etc.Either way, Osama bin laden could claim victory for
dividing this country. Since the attack we have borrowed 8-9 Trillion Dollars,
lost thousands of soldiers, lost our freedoms, and are close to collapse. Now
the same thought process of adding 30 million people to the healthcare system to
bring down costs, is being used with illegals. If we just add 30 million
illegals to this country then we'll be more prosperous. What? Why don't democrats understand economics? Simple supply and demand?The fact is we have the dumbest leadership that is stealing our money
and a voting base too stupid to stop it.
I cannot help but think that an important part of the problem are the
outrageously lame claims and solutions of the politically far-right on key
issues such as guns, immigration, etc., which only serve to further alienate
reasonable folk and heighten the divide.
Several other studies have found that the Republicans have moved far to the
right, while Democrats have stayed relatively close to where they were in the
70's. That's the real reason for the growing gap in partisanship.
This would help explain why Congress - the elected representatives of the people
- find it increasingly difficult to legislate. Legislation implies the need for
compromise. The more that the ideas are polarized, the less likely compromise.
No compromise - no legislation.Unfortunately, when there is an
executive - ready to take advantage of the perceived "gridlock" - so as
to increase executive power, the system gets out of balance. Power is increased
in the name of "getting something done."