I find it ironic that the author of this article also supported changes to the
caucus/convention system that now ensures that Senator Hatch will be a primary
candidate should he choose to run where his millions will provide a distinct
advantage over challengers.
Esquire,sorry, I misread your question.If there was only
hatch and a dem, no other candidates, I'd either not vote or write in
Nixon's corpse. nixon's corpse would be better than a dem
Furry1993Ogden, UTAgreed.Hatch truely is the
lesser of 2 evils...
I can think of only one good reason for Hatch to continue in office -- to keep
an extreme far right (and incompetent) fringe-dweller like Mike Lee from
inflicting bimself on Utah and the United States. We deserve better.
...and yet -- They very same Republicans we see here complaining
about him, keep right on electing hime, and re-electing, and re-electing,
and re-electing, times 7 for 42 years....
Senator Hatch is way beyond expiration date. His time is past. His age and
health, are serious issues. Anyone remember Senator Byrd being wheeled into the
Senate in a wheel chair for a critical vote. Senator Thurmond was probably
suffering from early dementia but still "representing" his state.The lust for attention and power that some (or is it all?) get in
Washington is pathetic. I think we need to send a clear message
that we will not accept another campaign from this senior senator and that his
time has past.
@Ford DeTreese You are right "compromise" hasn't been the word -
"capitulate" is more like it. Mr. Hatch is at the head of the class on
the issue of capitulation. I am liking the sound of another Mike Lee from
Utah.You are wrong though on Global Warming. It isn't a
liberal conspiracy to take away money from rich guys. It is a conspiracy to
make some liberal guys rich by convincing gullible people into believing that
humans are evil (excepting of course those who believe as they do) and need to
be stopped from their natural killing ways. Follow the money.
Since when do we expect ANY politician to "Keep his word"???Does this only apply to Hatch? Or does it apply to Obama and others as well?
Esquire,Did I say I would write someone in?nope. Thought did occur to me, but I did not say I would do that. Don't
rightly recall, but I don't think I voted for hatch last time - I'm
pretty sure I voted for Jim Wilson against hatch early in his career.Myopic about party affiliation? No, I think I see clearly what dem party
affiliation means and what dems have become. Their actions are corrupt,
dishonest, anti-family, and anti-religious. They oppose most that I see as good
and promote that which I deem evil and undesirable. Not that I am trying to
force my values on anyone else, unlike Hutterite and other leftists who have
stated they would do away with 1st amendment religious liberties.Believe me, I DO wish I had a viable alternative, but dems do not present that
to me. I vote GOP most of the time (I did not vote for bush in ’04 or
mclame in ’08) not because I necessarily want their candidate, but I feel
the need to keep the dem out!
Hatch's music is as good as he has been honest, which is to say ..hardly.
Counting his time as a Congressman, Harry Reid has been in office only a few
years less than Orrin.Here's betting the Prof is not as opposed
to Harry's running again as he is to Orrin's.
Sen. Hatch seldom keeps his word about much of anything.But he
ALWAYS has good excuses why he didn't!
@ lost in DC, if Hatch is on the ticket along with a Democrat, and they are the
only ones, and you won't vote for a Democrat, who will you write in? (sad
how you are so myopic about party affiliation)
We had an opportunity to force him to keep his word decades ago.Instead, we the people, decided to empower Hatch to become a career
politician.Why do we complain and then vote the same? Makes no sense
Republicans compromise? How can anyone in their right mind (or even in their
left mind) use those two words together in the same sentence?As for
Hatch, I am more afraid he won't run. If he graciously bows out, Utah will
probably elect another Mike Lee. Argh. If he runs, there's always a chance
he will prevail in the convention or the primary (all that money does speak
loudly) and then lose to a Democrat in November 2018. If he manages to secure
another term, he will at least be less dangerous than some of the tea party
favors we have running around the Senate chamber making fools of themselves
(like the aforementioned Lee).Oh, by the way, global warming is a
liberal conspiracy to raise taxes on billionaires, and health care should be
strictly market based, so that all those freeloaders can't mooch off the
rest of us 53-percenters. And let's not forget a gun in every baby
Hatch has long since outlived his usefulness and his competence. He needs to
retire.He lied in 1976 when he said 3 terms was too much, why should
we expect him to be have been honest last time he ran?If he is on
the GOP ticket in 2016, I will vote for someone else. Not the dem, of course,
but someone else.
Hey 2 bits -"it's not what you say . . . that counts...
it's what you do that counts."Uh huhBasically,
that's the difference between the average "Conservative" in this
nation and a domestic terrorist, isn't it?
Hatch needs to retire period. Everything that is wrong with Washington today
stems from Senators just like Hatch who have become a part of the Washington
fabric. Hatch has trashed Mike Lee several times just because Mike has dared to
buck the "good ole boy" culture in the Senate and vote as a
conservative. Hatch has 30 year friendships on both sides of the isle and those
friendships or "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" have
ruined congress and the country. Term limits are absolutely required if we are
to reclaim our country from the corrupt culture of Washington insiders. I have
personally written Hatch several times bashing him for his
less-than-conservative voting record and I wish more Utahan's would do the
If Senator Hatch is to be trusted, this will be his last term. He is not
indispensable. There are a lot of good people in Utah who could represent Utah
in the Senate.Mr. Hatch has done nothing but make promises. He told
us that he would repeal ObamaCare. How's he doing on that? What about all
the other campaign promises? How's he doing on any of them. How's he
doing on any campaign promise that he's made in all the time he's been
in the Senate? I've lost all confidence in his ability to do anything
except get re-elected. If he thinks that getting re-elected is serving Utah,
then it's time to retire him.The only "compromise" in
tax reform is to reduce spending. The Constitution lists all items that
Congress can tax us for. Any budget item that is not on that enumerated list
should be left to the States or to the people, just as the Constitution
It looks like Senator Hatch just wanted 6 more years to feather his nest. He
really hasn't DONE anything since we re-elected him and sent him back to
represent us in Washington (for the last time).I was against Hatch
going back to Washington once again at first. But some people I trust talked
me into trusting him again, and he changed his message to align with what I
wanted to hear... so I supported him. But it turns out I was fooled
(again).He needs to learn that it's not what you say in your
re-election campaign that counts... it's what you DO once elected that
counts.That does not meant that we must elect more Democrats, or
radical left or rights. Just that we must elect more good people who represent
mainstream middle-America and what we need to live the American dream. Not
extremists who think we need to turn more and more control of our lives over to
the Government... if we know what's good for us.People who want
to take liberty away from the people... and give it to the Government... are the
If Hatch wants to run I think we should not fuss over it. Yes, he made it clear
this current term would be his last. He changes his mind and decides to run
again - so what? The voters know what he said in this regard and if they want
to vote against him then so be it. If they are glad he changed his mind and
vote for him then so be it. Pontificators in ivory towers are simply spectators
like the rest of us anyway. What annoys most naysayers is that if he runs he
will probably win. He has shown a proclivity to win after all.
I would not hold my breath that Hatch will keep his promise. What was good for
Frank Moss is not good for Orrin Hatch. And then there was Rep. Jim Hansen, who
promised in 1980 that he would serve no more than 4 or 5 terms, and then not
only broke that promise, but denied he even said it even when presented with the
proof. My takeaway is that these guys do what's best for themselves. End
Re: ". . . tax reform could be accomplished much sooner than 2017 if Sen.
Hatch and other Republicans were willing to forge a compromise with
Democrats."Sure, if conservatives can just be convinced that tax
"reform" means just means more taxes, more carefully focused on liberal
vote-buying giveaways.It's clear the good Prof's real
agenda is defeat of Republicans. If his real concern were actually politicians
keeping their campaign promises, he'd focus on Obama and Democrats, who
have a lot more to be ashamed of along those lines than Mr. Hatch.
Expecting tax reform from Republican businessmen is an exercise in futility.
Businessmen are focused on business profits and that includes a favorable tax
system for business. The fact is that the tax bill for running
government could be decreased by a simplified tax system. However, a simplified
tax system would take away the business profits of a whole lot of people who
depend on the complexities of the tax system to force the need for experts upon
sen. Hatch needs to make this his last term in office either by his own choice
or the voters. Period.
" . . . he can leave office more as a statesman rather than as a politician
. . ."Well . . . If he doesn't spend enough time as a
politician to ensure his reelection, he won't be in office as a
statesman.In other, he can be politician without being a statesman,
but he can't be a statesman without being a politician.