More recruits to keep BYU the number one football team in Utah. They keep
bowling on!The talent gap is widening!
@U-PacBYU has had plenty of success stories with highly touted
recruits.Kyle Van NoyAustin CollieTodd WatkinsJan
JorgensenBronson KaufusiI know you mentioned Jorgensen and
Kaufusi as busts, but that is flat out wrong. They have had tremendous success
in college.As for our lack of ability to develop 2 star recruits, I
guess you have never heard of Dennis Pitta (Super Bowl champ), Harvey Unga
(all-time leading rusher in 3 seasons), Cody Hoffman (all-time leading
receiver), and Ziggy Ansah (#5 draft pick, starter as a rookie.Yes,
we have our busts, but it's a completely unfair argument to not look at the
other side of it.
un-pac"BYU has Only 4 guys that actually play in the NFL. Utah
has 25... blah, blah, blah."I'm impressed to the point that
I truly believe better talent, more stars, and stellar performance means going
bowl-less.Does this mean I'm a Ute fan?
Wait... Brian Johnson was not a bust. He was on the cover of Madden. So what if
he did not even get an invite to a tryout.
WiscougarfanUtah fans love cherry picking games, players, and
specific narrowly defined parameters to validate their narrow, biased opinions,
while completely ignoring overall results.Using UPACs
"standard" of highest profile players, Utah's entire program is a
total BUST because the MVP of Utah's best team EVER... was a total BUST -
BJ didn't even make an NFL roster.
Chris B.I'm not a fan of Utah so I can't tell you much
about their players. However, of UPAC's short list of BYU "busts"
at least three of the six were not "busts" and the jury is still out on
two others. Here's an example of this fallacy. Reynolds was
an incredible player at BYU who stayed for his senior year instead of going
early as a projected early round draft pick. He has since not panned out in the
NFL. Does that make him a bust? One 4-star Utah player I do know of is Jake
Murphy. Similarly he was a great talent at Utah but made the mistake of jumping
early and also went undrafted. Does that make him a bust? On both
counts I don't think so. While continued success in the NFL is certain one
criteria of a successful program, it is not the only criteria. On the list of
six busts that UPAC listed, three were successful college players, and it's
too early to tell on two others. So only ONE of BYU's last FIFTEEN 4-star
recruits can definitively be called a "bust."
@upacWe're all really impressed with your
"qualifications" and I have no doubt the utah coaching staff consults
closely with you on all personel decisions. Well I wouldn't be surprised
based on the losing bowless season they keep posting.As for mine,
well let's just say I'm a successful football coach and leave it at
that. I feel no need to try to claim any expertise on D1 talent and frankly
don't care if you think I do. The point is that you DON'T have any and
it is obvious. Playing golf at a bad school, playing the flute in the band,
betting on sports, and taking some pictures, are hardly qualifications for a
judge of D1 football and basketball talent. lol
@Wiscougarfan,It should be very rare that a 4 star prospect turns
out to be a bust, or at least not turn out to be a very good player. U-Pac
provided several examples of byu 4 stars that seriously underperformed. He
didn't say all 4 stars at byu have, but again, it should be rare that such
talent goes undeveloped.A proper counter would be to provide a list
of Utah 4 star recruits who have been similar busts to yours.Well?
RE: U-PAC“Here are BYU's recent 4 star recruits and how
they have done.......”You list six players. One is no longer
with the program (Heaps), two were/are incredibly successful college players
(Reynolds, Kaufusi), two might still have success (Mathews, Apo), and the last
was only a 2-star recruit (Jorgensen). Why did you cherry pick
those six? If you’re going to go all the way back to 2004 (Reynolds) than
you could also include Warner, Kurtz, Kearsley, Hinds, Mangum, Bills, KVN,
Murphy, and Mahina. Why did you leave them off your list?
mufasta,While you are right that byu has a smaller recruiting pool,
which byu fans like paint as a big disadvantage, what you fail to also point out
is that byu has a huge advantage with the Mormon kids. Whereas Utah
is fighting 120+ other schools for each and every recruit, byu has an automatic
advantage with many of the LDS kids due to it being an LDS school.So
really you haven't explained why Utah has a more talented recruiting pool
unless you're saying LDS kids are inherently worse at sports than non-LDS
kids. Is that really what you're saying? Can you actually
prove why Utah has a recruiting advangage(don't forget the byu advantage
with the Mormon kids). Yes, LDS kids are a small percentage - but again Utah is
fighting 120 other schools for every recruit of the 97% population that
isn't LDS, and byu doesn't really have to do that. So unless you can
explain why the 3% of the population that is LDS is inherently worse at
football, you have proved anything.
u-pac"Sir, you cannot be serious saying BYU develops their
recruits better than Utah?"From a walk-on who didn't even
know how to don a pair of shoulderpads to 5th pick in the NFL draft and current
NFL starter - BYU's success with Ziggy exceeds anything ever accomplished
in player development on the hill. Ziggy will be joined as a 2014 starter by KVN
- another very lightly recruited BYU player.Who has Utah actually
"developed" from little or nothing to accomplished player?Wynn - laughableHayes - seriously?Wilson - you've got to be
kiddingBJ - so developed, that the star of Utah's Sugar Bowl win
couldn't even make an NFL roster
@ U-PAC:Utah's recent goals in football from the past several
years: - Winning a majority of their conference games... BUST! - Winning a majority of their games in a season... BUST! - Winning a
bowl game... any bowl game... BUST! - Being invited to a bowl
game...,,,,,, BUST! - Even qualifying for any bowl games... BUST!
- Getting nationally ranked............ BUST!
@ U=PAC10.2:The amount of time and effort you spend studying and
keeping track of BYU players and BYU football is impressive. Even more so than
most other BYU fans. YOu're quickly rising toward the top with your
displayed interest. I can understand your transition given the lack of hope up
on the red hill. Welcome to Cougarville, a place of legitimate hope. You're going to really enjoy finally being able to follow a team that
spends a lot time being nationally ranked and that wins the majority of their
games. You'll also now be able to watch your team in a bowl game...
something you have been able to do in awhile. Smart move.
BYU academic and ecclesiastical standards limit the athletes they can recruit.
Utah will always have a larger and more talented recruiting pool than BYU.
However, I believe that BYU does develop its recruited talent better than Utah
does. I think this is a solid recruit for BYU. Good Luck to both BYU and Utah
this year. The entire state benefits when all of its sports programs do well.
Utah is still trying to get into a bowl game. 6 games almost seems impossible.
UPAC = Michael Romney, just so you know.
@ Ken:Honestly... what is the big deal about whether Cal wanted
and/or offered this player? At this point, it makes no difference whatsoever.
It's become a moot point and is water under the bridge. The point has
become totally attenuated. Let it go and try propounding something that is
actually meaningful to talk about and discuss. It's like 2
little girls arguing over who got asked to the school dance first. Just plain
silly and doesn't matter at all.But this quote from the player
this article is all about does:"It's a program that focuses
on building great character and becoming a better person. That's what I
want."Impressive. That is something significant that says a lot
about BYU's program as well as the player who made the comment. That means
multiple times more than whether Cal offered or not.I hope at some
future time Utah's and all other football programs' recruits will be
able to make similar statements. This world will then become a better place.
Y Grad,You may not have said Cal offered I suppose, but you did say
Cal wanted him. So you'll be able to provide evidence of this right? And
no, this kid saying Cal wanted him is not the same as Cal wanting him. I sure
hope you can understand the very big difference. Don't blame
me for the wording. Chris said no other teams wanted him. You said Cal wanted
him. So you'll have evidence Cal wanted him right?
As laughable as "Y Grad/Y dad" trying to tell us Cal offered this kid is
all the byu fans who think he was right.
@ Spokane Ute:Nice comment. I wish other Ute fans could display even
half the class that you usually do.@ Chris and U-Pac:The
same 2 always trying to stir the pot and never with a positive thing to say.
Wow. I have to admit your negative attitudes do grow tiresome. You should try
shocking BYU fans by being complimentary of BYU for once... instead of always
making desultory comments with your bellicose attitudes.Between the
two of you, you've posted 11 times already to this point (including the
very first post). Can you understand why people get the impression you are
obsessed with all things BYU? I'd honestly like to know why you
are so fixated and impassioned by BYU sports? You comment multiple times more on
BYU articles than on Utah articles. Seems quite strange.It also
seems quite complementary to BYU sports to have fans of another school so taken
in by BYU sports... particularly their football program. It's truly a
feather in the cap of BYU's programs.One more thing, Chris.
When are you going to outgrow the habit of always laughing (LOL) at your own
comments? Seems a bit juvenile.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UTSan Jose city college Foothill
college Byu Those are the schools that wanted himmotorbikeCottonwood Heights, UTY Grad / Y Dad"Chris, you left off Cal."Cal never offered.From the story:"Vanderbilt played well as a freshman and
picked up strong interest from both BYU and Cal, as a result. He made an
unofficial visit to Cal and was confident coaches there would offer before
arriving at BYU for another unofficial visit."I never said Cal
offered. Chris said nobody else wanted him. He forgot Cal.Chris,
you're not changing what you said now, are you?
Duck, you completely skirted UPAC's main question, which was: did you play
D1 anything, or not? Ignoring the question confirms that you did not. And
while you may not have made claims on being a D1 football expert, many of your
posts reflect your thinking is otherwise.Playing D1 golf on full
ride is still a bigger qualifier than your non-existent D1 athletic experience,
y grad,Still waiting on any evidence Cal offered him.YOu
wouldn't make that up would you?
duck,Foothill communitysan jose citybyuEnough said
old,You think the kid wouldn't know the coach of other big time
schools if he was there on a recruiting visit?Are you being serious
or joking?The kid is on his official visit to a big time powerful
program and he doesn't know the head coach and you don't think
that's telling of how big time byu really is?LOL!
No one really knows how good a kid really is until he gets on the field and show
his mettle! The usual put down from the BYU haters is all the more reason I
hope kids like Vanderbilt will far exceeds expectations and become wildly
successful. I would like nothing more than to see him do really well.Here's to a great season, Cougs! No matter the schedule, I say just take
care of business on the field and then let the chips fall where they may!
Independence scheduling will always be a challenge and tough to deal with but it
can and will, always ease the pain of the haters venom!Go Cougars!
Chris BSalt Lake City, UT"How did he not even know who
bronco was on his visit to byu?"Chris, I expect the position
coaches led the recruiting effort, and I guess Bronco doesn't feel like he
needs to "announce" himself. Would Whit be that secure in his persona?
Y Grad,No, he didn't have an offer from Cal.Foothill communitySan jose citybyu
Very difficult to forget about National Championships - even if 30 years ago.
And the "dust" issue, I didn't see it collecting on the trophy like
u-pac 10.1.1. And little brother will be talking about their last bcs appearance
30 years from now. Mark it down.
Best of Luck to Mr. Vanderbilt; hopefully BYU will be a good fit.
Why is this signing important or significant? What does he have to offer? It
seems that the article is leaving out significant information about this player.
Does it matter nationally if he signs with BYU or is this just PR with no
substance? He must not be that great if he attends a relatively unknown JC.
Sounds like a good kid. This is huge for the Cougars.
Y Grad / Y Dad"Chris, you left off Cal."Cal
Chris, you left off Cal.
water rocket, he still has a year left to play in JUCO. When he gets done he
will enroll at BYU.
I love seeing players who want to come to BYU to get a great degree and become a
great person, while also playing great football.Those are 3 things
that no other school in the country combines as well as BYU does.We
are seeing it with many non-LDS players recently, like Devon Blackmon, Nick
Kurtz, Fred Warner, Harvey Jackson, and now Khari Vanderbilt!
How did he not even know who bronco was on his visit to byu?Lol!Byu is a big time program and known by college football fans everywhere.
How would a great player not have any idea who the head coach of a
big time school that he is at is!?Lol!
@slcftballRivals lists him at 6'2" 185#. Glad to have him in a
I like that BYU is going the JUCO route to find DBs, bring in guys who have some
playing experience and can play. Trammell,Lee,Daniels and now Vanderbilt;
Trammell and Daniels will be starters this year and the other two will be
contributing in the very near future.
I wont join the caustic comment makers here, but I do have a question or two.
1) Why isn't he joining the Cougars this coming season? Is it because of
scholastic eligibility, or is it because of a lack of scholarships? Or is there
some other reason? 2) Is he going to be big enough to take the punishment, or
is he a super fast player? In other words, what is it that BYU sees in him that
makes him attractive?
@ Chris BThat list is about as long as Cody Hoffman's. That worked
out pretty well. Yet it is shorter than Ben Olson's or Jake Heap's
lists. You just never know.
Funny Chris B had nothing to say about BYU's National Championship....I
was surprised frankly....and then there is UPAC....and the responses to his quip
was very appropriate.Yes U PAC....lots of dust on that trophy
huh?Perhaps you could do a service project and come down to Provo a
couple times a week and dust the ole crystal football off for BYU and wonder how
it feels to own one of those beauties:)And the folks that addressed
your slur were right weren't they?Good grief Charlie
Brown....why don't the Ute faithful leave well enough alone:)
Yeah, but that trophy is there----
I hope he packs a whallop. He looks like a small corner. Anyone know how big
San Jose city college Foothill college Byu Those are the
schools that wanted him
@ U-PACAnd exactly how old is Utah's National Championship Trophy?
Before mocking the age of someone else's, you should acquire one of your
own first. Cheers!
At least they have a National Championship Trophy! Is there another team in the
state that has one that I don't know about?
UPAC.at least they have one!
This article has two things you won't see in a Utah Football article. 1. Most of the comments being from fans of another school.
- AND - 2. A player standing by a National Championship Trophy.
Good article. The one picture of Vanderbilt next to the Nat'l Championhsip
Trophy is pretty interesting, though. As a fellow Californian, I'm sure
hoping the picture on his shirt is of a palm tree!