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BYU football: BYU lands JUCO safety prospect Khari Vanderbilt

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 15, 2014 5:22 p.m.

    More recruits to keep BYU the number one football team in Utah. They keep bowling on!

    The talent gap is widening!

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    June 14, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    @U-Pac

    BYU has had plenty of success stories with highly touted recruits.

    Kyle Van Noy
    Austin Collie
    Todd Watkins
    Jan Jorgensen
    Bronson Kaufusi

    I know you mentioned Jorgensen and Kaufusi as busts, but that is flat out wrong. They have had tremendous success in college.

    As for our lack of ability to develop 2 star recruits, I guess you have never heard of Dennis Pitta (Super Bowl champ), Harvey Unga (all-time leading rusher in 3 seasons), Cody Hoffman (all-time leading receiver), and Ziggy Ansah (#5 draft pick, starter as a rookie.

    Yes, we have our busts, but it's a completely unfair argument to not look at the other side of it.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 12, 2014 9:00 p.m.

    un-pac

    "BYU has Only 4 guys that actually play in the NFL. Utah has 25... blah, blah, blah."

    I'm impressed to the point that I truly believe better talent, more stars, and stellar performance means going bowl-less.

    Does this mean I'm a Ute fan?

  • GoUTES Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    Wait... Brian Johnson was not a bust. He was on the cover of Madden. So what if he did not even get an invite to a tryout.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan

    Utah fans love cherry picking games, players, and specific narrowly defined parameters to validate their narrow, biased opinions, while completely ignoring overall results.

    Using UPACs "standard" of highest profile players, Utah's entire program is a total BUST because the MVP of Utah's best team EVER... was a total BUST - BJ didn't even make an NFL roster.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 12, 2014 11:51 a.m.

    Chris B.

    I'm not a fan of Utah so I can't tell you much about their players. However, of UPAC's short list of BYU "busts" at least three of the six were not "busts" and the jury is still out on two others.

    Here's an example of this fallacy. Reynolds was an incredible player at BYU who stayed for his senior year instead of going early as a projected early round draft pick. He has since not panned out in the NFL. Does that make him a bust? One 4-star Utah player I do know of is Jake Murphy. Similarly he was a great talent at Utah but made the mistake of jumping early and also went undrafted. Does that make him a bust?

    On both counts I don't think so. While continued success in the NFL is certain one criteria of a successful program, it is not the only criteria. On the list of six busts that UPAC listed, three were successful college players, and it's too early to tell on two others. So only ONE of BYU's last FIFTEEN 4-star recruits can definitively be called a "bust."

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 12, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    @upac

    We're all really impressed with your "qualifications" and I have no doubt the utah coaching staff consults closely with you on all personel decisions. Well I wouldn't be surprised based on the losing bowless season they keep posting.

    As for mine, well let's just say I'm a successful football coach and leave it at that. I feel no need to try to claim any expertise on D1 talent and frankly don't care if you think I do. The point is that you DON'T have any and it is obvious. Playing golf at a bad school, playing the flute in the band, betting on sports, and taking some pictures, are hardly qualifications for a judge of D1 football and basketball talent. lol

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    @Wiscougarfan,

    It should be very rare that a 4 star prospect turns out to be a bust, or at least not turn out to be a very good player. U-Pac provided several examples of byu 4 stars that seriously underperformed. He didn't say all 4 stars at byu have, but again, it should be rare that such talent goes undeveloped.

    A proper counter would be to provide a list of Utah 4 star recruits who have been similar busts to yours.

    Well?

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 12, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    RE: U-PAC

    “Here are BYU's recent 4 star recruits and how they have done.......”

    You list six players. One is no longer with the program (Heaps), two were/are incredibly successful college players (Reynolds, Kaufusi), two might still have success (Mathews, Apo), and the last was only a 2-star recruit (Jorgensen).

    Why did you cherry pick those six? If you’re going to go all the way back to 2004 (Reynolds) than you could also include Warner, Kurtz, Kearsley, Hinds, Mangum, Bills, KVN, Murphy, and Mahina. Why did you leave them off your list?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    mufasta,

    While you are right that byu has a smaller recruiting pool, which byu fans like paint as a big disadvantage, what you fail to also point out is that byu has a huge advantage with the Mormon kids.

    Whereas Utah is fighting 120+ other schools for each and every recruit, byu has an automatic advantage with many of the LDS kids due to it being an LDS school.

    So really you haven't explained why Utah has a more talented recruiting pool unless you're saying LDS kids are inherently worse at sports than non-LDS kids. Is that really what you're saying?

    Can you actually prove why Utah has a recruiting advangage(don't forget the byu advantage with the Mormon kids). Yes, LDS kids are a small percentage - but again Utah is fighting 120 other schools for every recruit of the 97% population that isn't LDS, and byu doesn't really have to do that. So unless you can explain why the 3% of the population that is LDS is inherently worse at football, you have proved anything.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    June 12, 2014 8:12 a.m.

    u-pac

    "Sir, you cannot be serious saying BYU develops their recruits better than Utah?"

    From a walk-on who didn't even know how to don a pair of shoulderpads to 5th pick in the NFL draft and current NFL starter - BYU's success with Ziggy exceeds anything ever accomplished in player development on the hill. Ziggy will be joined as a 2014 starter by KVN - another very lightly recruited BYU player.

    Who has Utah actually "developed" from little or nothing to accomplished player?

    Wynn - laughable
    Hayes - seriously?
    Wilson - you've got to be kidding
    BJ - so developed, that the star of Utah's Sugar Bowl win couldn't even make an NFL roster

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    June 12, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    @ U-PAC:

    Utah's recent goals in football from the past several years:

    - Winning a majority of their conference games... BUST!
    - Winning a majority of their games in a season... BUST!
    - Winning a bowl game... any bowl game... BUST!
    - Being invited to a bowl game...,,,,,, BUST!
    - Even qualifying for any bowl games... BUST!
    - Getting nationally ranked............ BUST!

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    June 12, 2014 7:45 a.m.

    @ U=PAC10.2:

    The amount of time and effort you spend studying and keeping track of BYU players and BYU football is impressive. Even more so than most other BYU fans. YOu're quickly rising toward the top with your displayed interest. I can understand your transition given the lack of hope up on the red hill. Welcome to Cougarville, a place of legitimate hope.

    You're going to really enjoy finally being able to follow a team that spends a lot time being nationally ranked and that wins the majority of their games. You'll also now be able to watch your team in a bowl game... something you have been able to do in awhile.

    Smart move.

  • mufasta American Fork, UT
    June 11, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    BYU academic and ecclesiastical standards limit the athletes they can recruit. Utah will always have a larger and more talented recruiting pool than BYU. However, I believe that BYU does develop its recruited talent better than Utah does. I think this is a solid recruit for BYU. Good Luck to both BYU and Utah this year. The entire state benefits when all of its sports programs do well.

  • Irrelevant Provo, UT
    June 11, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    Utah is still trying to get into a bowl game. 6 games almost seems impossible.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    June 11, 2014 3:55 p.m.

    UPAC = Michael Romney, just so you know.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 11, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    @ Ken:

    Honestly... what is the big deal about whether Cal wanted and/or offered this player? At this point, it makes no difference whatsoever. It's become a moot point and is water under the bridge. The point has become totally attenuated. Let it go and try propounding something that is actually meaningful to talk about and discuss.

    It's like 2 little girls arguing over who got asked to the school dance first. Just plain silly and doesn't matter at all.

    But this quote from the player this article is all about does:

    "It's a program that focuses on building great character and becoming a better person. That's what I want."

    Impressive. That is something significant that says a lot about BYU's program as well as the player who made the comment. That means multiple times more than whether Cal offered or not.

    I hope at some future time Utah's and all other football programs' recruits will be able to make similar statements. This world will then become a better place.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    June 11, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    Y Grad,

    You may not have said Cal offered I suppose, but you did say Cal wanted him. So you'll be able to provide evidence of this right? And no, this kid saying Cal wanted him is not the same as Cal wanting him. I sure hope you can understand the very big difference.

    Don't blame me for the wording. Chris said no other teams wanted him. You said Cal wanted him. So you'll have evidence Cal wanted him right?

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    June 11, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    As laughable as "Y Grad/Y dad" trying to tell us Cal offered this kid is all the byu fans who think he was right.

  • Sagacious Logan, UT
    June 11, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute:

    Nice comment. I wish other Ute fans could display even half the class that you usually do.

    @ Chris and U-Pac:

    The same 2 always trying to stir the pot and never with a positive thing to say. Wow. I have to admit your negative attitudes do grow tiresome. You should try shocking BYU fans by being complimentary of BYU for once... instead of always making desultory comments with your bellicose attitudes.

    Between the two of you, you've posted 11 times already to this point (including the very first post). Can you understand why people get the impression you are obsessed with all things BYU?

    I'd honestly like to know why you are so fixated and impassioned by BYU sports? You comment multiple times more on BYU articles than on Utah articles. Seems quite strange.

    It also seems quite complementary to BYU sports to have fans of another school so taken in by BYU sports... particularly their football program. It's truly a feather in the cap of BYU's programs.

    One more thing, Chris. When are you going to outgrow the habit of always laughing (LOL) at your own comments? Seems a bit juvenile.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 11, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT

    San Jose city college
    Foothill college
    Byu

    Those are the schools that wanted him

    motorbike
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    Y Grad / Y Dad

    "Chris, you left off Cal."

    Cal never offered.

    From the story:

    "Vanderbilt played well as a freshman and picked up strong interest from both BYU and Cal, as a result. He made an unofficial visit to Cal and was confident coaches there would offer before arriving at BYU for another unofficial visit."

    I never said Cal offered. Chris said nobody else wanted him. He forgot Cal.

    Chris, you're not changing what you said now, are you?

  • Chris B. 4 Prez! Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    Duck, you completely skirted UPAC's main question, which was: did you play D1 anything, or not? Ignoring the question confirms that you did not. And while you may not have made claims on being a D1 football expert, many of your posts reflect your thinking is otherwise.

    Playing D1 golf on full ride is still a bigger qualifier than your non-existent D1 athletic experience, Duck.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    y grad,

    Still waiting on any evidence Cal offered him.

    YOu wouldn't make that up would you?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    duck,

    Foothill community
    san jose city
    byu

    Enough said

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    old,

    You think the kid wouldn't know the coach of other big time schools if he was there on a recruiting visit?

    Are you being serious or joking?

    The kid is on his official visit to a big time powerful program and he doesn't know the head coach and you don't think that's telling of how big time byu really is?

    LOL!

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    June 11, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    No one really knows how good a kid really is until he gets on the field and show his mettle! The usual put down from the BYU haters is all the more reason I hope kids like Vanderbilt will far exceeds expectations and become wildly successful. I would like nothing more than to see him do really well.

    Here's to a great season, Cougs! No matter the schedule, I say just take care of business on the field and then let the chips fall where they may! Independence scheduling will always be a challenge and tough to deal with but it can and will, always ease the pain of the haters venom!

    Go Cougars!

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    June 11, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "How did he not even know who bronco was on his visit to byu?"

    Chris, I expect the position coaches led the recruiting effort, and I guess Bronco doesn't feel like he needs to "announce" himself. Would Whit be that secure in his persona?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    Y Grad,

    No, he didn't have an offer from Cal.

    Foothill community
    San jose city
    byu

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 11, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    Very difficult to forget about National Championships - even if 30 years ago. And the "dust" issue, I didn't see it collecting on the trophy like u-pac 10.1.1. And little brother will be talking about their last bcs appearance 30 years from now. Mark it down.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 11, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    Best of Luck to Mr. Vanderbilt; hopefully BYU will be a good fit.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    June 11, 2014 6:12 a.m.

    Why is this signing important or significant? What does he have to offer? It seems that the article is leaving out significant information about this player. Does it matter nationally if he signs with BYU or is this just PR with no substance? He must not be that great if he attends a relatively unknown JC.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    June 10, 2014 11:13 p.m.

    Sounds like a good kid. This is huge for the Cougars.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 10, 2014 11:01 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad

    "Chris, you left off Cal."

    Cal never offered.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 10, 2014 10:33 p.m.

    Chris, you left off Cal.

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    June 10, 2014 10:28 p.m.

    water rocket, he still has a year left to play in JUCO. When he gets done he will enroll at BYU.

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    June 10, 2014 10:26 p.m.

    I love seeing players who want to come to BYU to get a great degree and become a great person, while also playing great football.

    Those are 3 things that no other school in the country combines as well as BYU does.

    We are seeing it with many non-LDS players recently, like Devon Blackmon, Nick Kurtz, Fred Warner, Harvey Jackson, and now Khari Vanderbilt!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2014 10:09 p.m.

    How did he not even know who bronco was on his visit to byu?

    Lol!

    Byu is a big time program and known by college football fans everywhere.

    How would a great player not have any idea who the head coach of a big time school that he is at is!?

    Lol!

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2014 9:14 p.m.

    @slcftball
    Rivals lists him at 6'2" 185#. Glad to have him in a year.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    June 10, 2014 9:11 p.m.

    I like that BYU is going the JUCO route to find DBs, bring in guys who have some playing experience and can play. Trammell,Lee,Daniels and now Vanderbilt; Trammell and Daniels will be starters this year and the other two will be contributing in the very near future.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    June 10, 2014 8:49 p.m.

    I wont join the caustic comment makers here, but I do have a question or two. 1) Why isn't he joining the Cougars this coming season? Is it because of scholastic eligibility, or is it because of a lack of scholarships? Or is there some other reason? 2) Is he going to be big enough to take the punishment, or is he a super fast player? In other words, what is it that BYU sees in him that makes him attractive?

  • mnsave Rigby, ID
    June 10, 2014 7:59 p.m.

    @ Chris B
    That list is about as long as Cody Hoffman's. That worked out pretty well. Yet it is shorter than Ben Olson's or Jake Heap's lists. You just never know.

  • alphablue Provo, UT
    June 10, 2014 7:56 p.m.

    Funny Chris B had nothing to say about BYU's National Championship....I was surprised frankly....and then there is UPAC....and the responses to his quip was very appropriate.

    Yes U PAC....lots of dust on that trophy huh?

    Perhaps you could do a service project and come down to Provo a couple times a week and dust the ole crystal football off for BYU and wonder how it feels to own one of those beauties:)

    And the folks that addressed your slur were right weren't they?

    Good grief Charlie Brown....why don't the Ute faithful leave well enough alone:)

  • Bob Santaquin, UT
    June 10, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    Yeah, but that trophy is there----

  • slcftball Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2014 7:24 p.m.

    I hope he packs a whallop. He looks like a small corner. Anyone know how big he is?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2014 7:19 p.m.

    San Jose city college
    Foothill college
    Byu

    Those are the schools that wanted him

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2014 7:14 p.m.

    @ U-PAC
    And exactly how old is Utah's National Championship Trophy? Before mocking the age of someone else's, you should acquire one of your own first. Cheers!

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    June 10, 2014 7:06 p.m.

    At least they have a National Championship Trophy! Is there another team in the state that has one that I don't know about?

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    June 10, 2014 7:00 p.m.

    UPAC.
    at least they have one!

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2014 5:49 p.m.

    This article has two things you won't see in a Utah Football article.

    1. Most of the comments being from fans of another school.

    - AND -

    2. A player standing by a National Championship Trophy.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    June 10, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    Good article. The one picture of Vanderbilt next to the Nat'l Championhsip Trophy is pretty interesting, though. As a fellow Californian, I'm sure hoping the picture on his shirt is of a palm tree!