Comments about ‘In our opinion: Immigrants need the legal right to participate in the economy and be paid market wages’

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Published: Wednesday, June 11 2014 10:11 a.m. MDT

Updated: Wednesday, June 11 2014 10:11 a.m. MDT

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RichardB
Murray, UT

Immigrants (legal) have the right to work. People here illegally have no right under US labor and immigration laws.

There is no shortage of low income workers, there is a shortage of honest businessmen willing to pay the market rate for legal labor. If they can't find people to work for what they pay, it is their responsibility to lure workers with higher wages and better benefits.

Greed has left the farms and moved into the city.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

There is no labor shortage only shortage of market driven pay. If Mcdonalds or any business can not find workers for the amount of money they are offering then they need to raise the wage and/or working conditions. It is simple economics.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"The U.S. government’s employment of immigrants in detention proves the point that undocumented workers need legal rights to participate in the economy, to work and to be paid a market wage – not a prison wage – for their labors."

Certainly use of labor in prison is pure exploitation - in prison they are not being compensated for the value they add. It's got to stop. But to say that this freed labor will be paid a "market" wage working for fast food is open to question. There is ample collusion among fast food vendors, e.g. McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, etc. as to what their employees will be paid. In a particular area there will be little variation. So is this "market" wage a fair wage?

If we are going to turn lose a lot of imprisoned labor to work in fast food, fast food needs to be unionized to protect workers already there.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

I'm not in favor of the minimum wage law, but looking at it logically, if those low wage jobs were about 15 an hour, then many of our citizens would take them, which would fill the need of low wage workers, and more importent it would take away the need for the U.S. to have illegal, and massive amounts of third world immigrants coming here. American workers should come first before any non citizen gets consideration on anything. And I will say that I as a citizen would be willing to pay a little extra for the product or service that the 15 an hour employee would require.

U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

DN forgot to put Legal in front of Immigrants in the headline, or did they do that on purpose. This paper is turning into a real lefty.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Undocumented(illegal) immigrants have one right and only one right. That is to be deported. Immediately.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Come on, at least be honest when writing this stuff.

Make sure you point out the you want to just abandon enforcement of our immigration laws, and to give the same privileges to people who are criminals by coming here in violation of those laws as to the hard working, play by the rules legal immigrants.

This is as bad as advocating for illegal drug sellers to be given licenses as pharmacists.

Laws apply to all people (or should, anyway) and people who break some laws do not get the benefits earned by those who obey the laws. And, criminals who break laws are supposed to be punished.

What next, amnesty for bank robbers and rapists? If not, why do you discriminate against some criminals and not others?

Legal immigration is welcome and beneficial, but illegal immigration is a criminal act to be punished, not rewarded by jobs, welfare, housing, amnesty or anything else.

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

There would be no problem if the illegals were not here. If existing laws were enforced, there would be fewer illegals to add to the problem.

Simple solution....enforce our laws.

Esquire
Springville, UT

The editorial is dead on. I urge a fresh approach to this issue. We need to make it easy for people to come and provide their services. It will then reflect reality, encourage a free market system, and cut on the tragic human impact of the current system.

@ RichardB, saying there is plenty of labor without immigrants is one thing, but it does not reflect reality. Your entire comment is not correct. I believe it is based on a lack of understanding of what is going on.

Sadly, the analysis of the Cantor defeat, in that it will shut down any chance of immigration reform, is probably true. The are few profiles in courage in Congress.

IMAPatriot2
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

I stand with the majority posting here. Legal immigrants have a right to participate in the economy AND be paid market wages. The trouble is there are too many illegal aliens flooding our borders, and our useless politicians have done nothing about that. Although, one of their constitutional responsibilities is to protect our borders.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

IMO... We need to focus on improving the economy, security, and liberty, where they live, instead of making a path to America.

If we open the gates... the following 2 situations are the likely outcome.

1. If the best people from that country come (as some people pretend is happening now)... The less educated, less employable people get left behind and become the majority. Sure some good people get out... but their country goes downhill.

2. If the less educated, less employable people are the ones crossing the border at night with all their possessions in a grocery bag, who can't find jobs in CostaRica, Nicaragua, or Mexico... and are willing to do ANYTHING, and take ANY job, at ANY wage in the US... then they gradually become the majority in our country, and OUR country goes downhill.

We should not be taking the BEST people from these countries (and leaving the rest of the population to live with drug dealers and corrupt politicians elected by the dregs of society). And we should not be taking the WORST people from these countries.. and turning our country into Mexico, or Nicaragua.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Immigrants need the legal right to participate in the economy . . . ."

Legal immigrants already have that right. They've had it throughout the history of the Republic. It's guaranteed in the Constitution. Legal permanent resident aliens have exactly the same right to participate in the economy as any American.

So, the real, hidden agenda here is amnesty for illegals.

It's sad that a "journalist" would intentionally hide that agenda at the tail end of his opinion piece, attempting to disingenuously suggest to low-information Utahns that America discriminates against all immigrants.

With the easily predictable defeat of immigration "reformists," like Eric Cantor, conservatives will have to be more and more vigilant, making sure the amnesty issue isn't newspeak-coded or otherwise hidden amongst other high-sounding, but phony political issues.

E Sam
Provo, UT

Agreed. And let's be honest. You're talking about amnesty. And you're for it. And you're completely right.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "If we open the gates... the following 2 situations are the likely outcome."

For the record, it's not "if" we open the gates. The gates are already wide open.

Witness the thousands of unaccompanied children being sent across the wire by desperate Central-American parents, who are now being dumped by Obama's ICE on the streets of Phoenix to punish Arizona for standing up to Obama on the amnesty issue.

We're in the middle of a new Jimmy Carter-like Mariel boatlift -- just without the boats.

Obama remains committed to booting Carter from his position as worst modern American president.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

Legal immigrants and citizens are able to legally work in this country. However, no one is "entitled" to any job. It needs to be earned first.

Illegal immigrants have no right to any job in this country.

Only the most cold-hearted and greedy would demand that a flood of cheap labor be imported into this country when millions of our citizens continue to struggle with unemployment.

There's no greater treason than to do something good (such as give American jobs to illegal immigrants) for the wrong reason.

VST
Bountiful, UT

Everyone posting here stating that, employers need to increase their salaries for low-skilled jobs, need to understand that those additional salary costs to the employer will be passed on to them – the additional costs will come out of your pockets.

If you are OK with that, “then knock yourself out.”

This editorial has a good point and I agree with it.

VST
Bountiful, UT

Just one more thought.

Those who are advocating that illegals have no right to earn a salary here are not facing reality. The reality is this – there are so many illegal residents here (millions of them) that there is no way on God’s green earth will they ever be sent back to their home countries.

Please note, I am NOT advocating amnesty. But give them the equivalent of a work visa, and let them work here as long as they want to work here, but no path to citizenship without getting in “the back of the line.”

aceroinox
Farmington, UT

To begin with, we need a definition of terms: illegals are not "immigrants". Immigrants are those who follow the legal immigration process and are entitled to seek work and work. While I feel sympathy for illegals, many of whom have dire circumstances in their home country, I have more sympathy for the millions of citizens and immigrants who cannot find work. We do need immigration reform, but it should not include amnesty for illegals. Let them return to their countries and get in line behind those who have paid the price to be here legally, many of whom have already been "in line" for years.

Let's provide a rational immigration process that accommodates real needs for our nation's businesses. The fact is, we will have no idea what those real needs are until the artificial component of illegals in the workforce is removed, and we can find a natural balance. In the meantime, we can each do our part by refusing to employ illegals, or any contractor who employs them.

Big Bubba
Herriman, UT

It is pretty clear from this and past articles that conservative entities like Deseret News, KSL, and the Sutherland Institute take a very soft line on illegal immigration, yet so many conservative Utahns reject this brand of soft amnesty. Why is that? Because conservatives realize that soft amnesty will encourage more illegal immigration. It will make the problem worse.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

Unemployment is high in the US. Unskilled workers are unable to find work because illegals have taken the jobs. They are willing to work for sub minimum wages. When was the last time you saw an American working construction?

Don't even try to tell me that American's are not willing to do this work. I know many unemployed construction workers and every project in town is staffed with illegal aliens.

Dear Deseret News,

Please tell us how our liberty is to be preserved when importing illegal alien voters from south of the border is a cornerstone of the Liberals plan to destroy this country? The constitution is hanging by a thread and you are filing that thread away.

"Democracy is not a permanent form of government. It can only last until the people discover that they can vote themselves gifts from the public treasury. From that point forward the majority always votes for the candidate offering the most, until the nation collapses from financial mismanagement. A democracy is always followed by a dictatorship." (Alexis DeToqueville)

I never thought that I would see the day when an LDS owned newspaper would openly support lawlessness.

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