Published: Wednesday, June 11 2014 10:11 a.m. MDT
Immigrants (legal) have the right to work. People here illegally have no right
under US labor and immigration laws. There is no shortage of low
income workers, there is a shortage of honest businessmen willing to pay the
market rate for legal labor. If they can't find people to work for what
they pay, it is their responsibility to lure workers with higher wages and
better benefits. Greed has left the farms and moved into the city.
There is no labor shortage only shortage of market driven pay. If Mcdonalds or
any business can not find workers for the amount of money they are offering then
they need to raise the wage and/or working conditions. It is simple economics.
"The U.S. government’s employment of immigrants in detention proves
the point that undocumented workers need legal rights to participate in the
economy, to work and to be paid a market wage – not a prison wage –
for their labors."Certainly use of labor in prison is pure
exploitation - in prison they are not being compensated for the value they add.
It's got to stop. But to say that this freed labor will be paid a
"market" wage working for fast food is open to question. There is ample
collusion among fast food vendors, e.g. McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, etc. as to
what their employees will be paid. In a particular area there will be little
variation. So is this "market" wage a fair wage?If we are
going to turn lose a lot of imprisoned labor to work in fast food, fast food
needs to be unionized to protect workers already there.
I'm not in favor of the minimum wage law, but looking at it logically, if
those low wage jobs were about 15 an hour, then many of our citizens would take
them, which would fill the need of low wage workers, and more importent it would
take away the need for the U.S. to have illegal, and massive amounts of third
world immigrants coming here. American workers should come first before any non
citizen gets consideration on anything. And I will say that I as a citizen
would be willing to pay a little extra for the product or service that the 15 an
hour employee would require.
DN forgot to put Legal in front of Immigrants in the headline, or did they do
that on purpose. This paper is turning into a real lefty.
Undocumented(illegal) immigrants have one right and only one right. That is to
be deported. Immediately.
Come on, at least be honest when writing this stuff.Make sure you
point out the you want to just abandon enforcement of our immigration laws, and
to give the same privileges to people who are criminals by coming here in
violation of those laws as to the hard working, play by the rules legal
immigrants.This is as bad as advocating for illegal drug sellers to
be given licenses as pharmacists.Laws apply to all people (or
should, anyway) and people who break some laws do not get the benefits earned by
those who obey the laws. And, criminals who break laws are supposed to be
punished.What next, amnesty for bank robbers and rapists? If not,
why do you discriminate against some criminals and not others?Legal
immigration is welcome and beneficial, but illegal immigration is a criminal act
to be punished, not rewarded by jobs, welfare, housing, amnesty or anything
There would be no problem if the illegals were not here. If existing laws were
enforced, there would be fewer illegals to add to the problem.Simple
solution....enforce our laws.
The editorial is dead on. I urge a fresh approach to this issue. We need to
make it easy for people to come and provide their services. It will then
reflect reality, encourage a free market system, and cut on the tragic human
impact of the current system.@ RichardB, saying there is plenty of
labor without immigrants is one thing, but it does not reflect reality. Your
entire comment is not correct. I believe it is based on a lack of understanding
of what is going on.Sadly, the analysis of the Cantor defeat, in
that it will shut down any chance of immigration reform, is probably true. The
are few profiles in courage in Congress.
I stand with the majority posting here. Legal immigrants have a right to
participate in the economy AND be paid market wages. The trouble is there are
too many illegal aliens flooding our borders, and our useless politicians have
done nothing about that. Although, one of their constitutional responsibilities
is to protect our borders.
IMO... We need to focus on improving the economy, security, and liberty, where
they live, instead of making a path to America.If we open the
gates... the following 2 situations are the likely outcome.1. If the
best people from that country come (as some people pretend is happening now)...
The less educated, less employable people get left behind and become the
majority. Sure some good people get out... but their country goes downhill.2. If the less educated, less employable people are the ones crossing
the border at night with all their possessions in a grocery bag, who can't
find jobs in CostaRica, Nicaragua, or Mexico... and are willing to do ANYTHING,
and take ANY job, at ANY wage in the US... then they gradually become the
majority in our country, and OUR country goes downhill.We should not
be taking the BEST people from these countries (and leaving the rest of the
population to live with drug dealers and corrupt politicians elected by the
dregs of society). And we should not be taking the WORST people from these
countries.. and turning our country into Mexico, or Nicaragua.
Re: "Immigrants need the legal right to participate in the economy . . .
."Legal immigrants already have that right. They've had it
throughout the history of the Republic. It's guaranteed in the
Constitution. Legal permanent resident aliens have exactly the same right to
participate in the economy as any American.So, the real, hidden
agenda here is amnesty for illegals.It's sad that a
"journalist" would intentionally hide that agenda at the tail end of his
opinion piece, attempting to disingenuously suggest to low-information Utahns
that America discriminates against all immigrants.With the easily
predictable defeat of immigration "reformists," like Eric Cantor,
conservatives will have to be more and more vigilant, making sure the amnesty
issue isn't newspeak-coded or otherwise hidden amongst other high-sounding,
but phony political issues.
Agreed. And let's be honest. You're talking about amnesty. And
you're for it. And you're completely right.
Re: "If we open the gates... the following 2 situations are the likely
outcome."For the record, it's not "if" we open the
gates. The gates are already wide open.Witness the thousands of
unaccompanied children being sent across the wire by desperate Central-American
parents, who are now being dumped by Obama's ICE on the streets of Phoenix
to punish Arizona for standing up to Obama on the amnesty issue.We're in the middle of a new Jimmy Carter-like Mariel boatlift -- just
without the boats.Obama remains committed to booting Carter from his
position as worst modern American president.
Legal immigrants and citizens are able to legally work in this country. However,
no one is "entitled" to any job. It needs to be earned first.Illegal immigrants have no right to any job in this country. Only
the most cold-hearted and greedy would demand that a flood of cheap labor be
imported into this country when millions of our citizens continue to struggle
with unemployment.There's no greater treason than to do
something good (such as give American jobs to illegal immigrants) for the wrong
Everyone posting here stating that, employers need to increase their salaries
for low-skilled jobs, need to understand that those additional salary costs to
the employer will be passed on to them – the additional costs will come
out of your pockets.If you are OK with that, “then knock
yourself out.”This editorial has a good point and I agree with
Just one more thought.Those who are advocating that illegals have no
right to earn a salary here are not facing reality. The reality is this –
there are so many illegal residents here (millions of them) that there is no way
on God’s green earth will they ever be sent back to their home
countries.Please note, I am NOT advocating amnesty. But give them
the equivalent of a work visa, and let them work here as long as they want to
work here, but no path to citizenship without getting in “the back of the
To begin with, we need a definition of terms: illegals are not
"immigrants". Immigrants are those who follow the legal immigration
process and are entitled to seek work and work. While I feel sympathy for
illegals, many of whom have dire circumstances in their home country, I have
more sympathy for the millions of citizens and immigrants who cannot find work.
We do need immigration reform, but it should not include amnesty for illegals.
Let them return to their countries and get in line behind those who have paid
the price to be here legally, many of whom have already been "in line"
for years.Let's provide a rational immigration process that
accommodates real needs for our nation's businesses. The fact is, we will
have no idea what those real needs are until the artificial component of
illegals in the workforce is removed, and we can find a natural balance. In the
meantime, we can each do our part by refusing to employ illegals, or any
contractor who employs them.
It is pretty clear from this and past articles that conservative entities like
Deseret News, KSL, and the Sutherland Institute take a very soft line on illegal
immigration, yet so many conservative Utahns reject this brand of soft amnesty.
Why is that? Because conservatives realize that soft amnesty will encourage more
illegal immigration. It will make the problem worse.
Unemployment is high in the US. Unskilled workers are unable to find work
because illegals have taken the jobs. They are willing to work for sub minimum
wages. When was the last time you saw an American working construction?Don't even try to tell me that American's are not willing to do this
work. I know many unemployed construction workers and every project in town is
staffed with illegal aliens.Dear Deseret News, Please
tell us how our liberty is to be preserved when importing illegal alien voters
from south of the border is a cornerstone of the Liberals plan to destroy this
country? The constitution is hanging by a thread and you are filing that thread
away."Democracy is not a permanent form of government. It can
only last until the people discover that they can vote themselves gifts from the
public treasury. From that point forward the majority always votes for the
candidate offering the most, until the nation collapses from financial
mismanagement. A democracy is always followed by a dictatorship." (Alexis
DeToqueville)I never thought that I would see the day when an LDS
owned newspaper would openly support lawlessness.
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