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Published: Sunday, June 8 2014 3:35 p.m. MDT

Updated: Sunday, June 8 2014 10:06 p.m. MDT

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Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

Congratulations Utah!!
You've come a long way, baby!

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

What, parade in SLC? Do it in San Francisco but here

Bob K
Davis, CA

It seems some of the tone has changed on the DN, and for the better.

This article shows more acceptance of the idea that Amendment 3 will be gone than anything we could have read here until recently.

Where I quibble is the major influence given to Mormons Building Bridges, which has yet to prove that it is not simply an unofficial tool of the church, meant to keep Gay mormons in the fold, rather than recognize that they have choices.

Quote from recent article:
"Mormons Building Bridges seeks to 'amplify the church's message. We send people to the Mormons and Gays website, we use the talks of General Authorities from our general conferences, we use the scriptures.'"

Since only church information is given, I suggest that "Mormons Digging a Moat Around Their Gay Members" is not an unfair play on the group's name.

I also remember when the Prop 8 organization was "not a part of the church".

I am glad that the Pride celebration in Salt Lake was so joyous.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

My 16 year old daughter and I walked with the Capitol 13 group today. We had an absolute blast both at the festival yesterday and in the parade this morning. My 13 year old could not come thus morning but plans on walking with us next time. It was wonderful. It has been an absolutely fantastic pride weekend.

A1994
Centerville, UT

I can't help but note the irony of "Mormons Building Bridges" out on the Sabbath day at a parade. How deeply do they believe in their religion?

21MOM
Keaau, HI

"Christlike love is the greatest need we have on this planet in part because righteousness was always supposed to accompany it. So if love is to be our watchword, as it must be, then by the word of Him who is love personified, we must forsake transgression and any hint of advocacy for it in others. Jesus clearly understood what many in our modern culture seem to forget: that there is a crucial difference between the commandment to forgive sin (which He had an infinite capacity to do) and the warning against condoning it (which He never ever did even once)." Jeffrey R. Holland

intervention
slc, UT

@A1994

They probably believe at least as much as someone that would ignore the counsel of thier prophet to not questions other faith.

@dws coug
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Bob K
Davis, CA

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT
"What, parade in SLC? Do it in San Francisco but here"

--- But the church wants all the Gay mormons to stay. Do you want them to leave?

A1994
Centerville, UT
"I can't help but note the irony of "Mormons Building Bridges" out on the Sabbath day at a parade. How deeply do they believe in their religion?"

--- Actually, they are working the religion by putting up the pretense that staying in the church does not make Gays into 2nd or 3rd class citizens.

The folks who drove to California from Utah in 2008 knocked on doors and demonstrated on Sundays, as well. Same thing, just a bit less cleverly hidden from its church origins.

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

Each State has an interest in seeing successful families. Unfortunately since the sexual revolution of the 1960's too large a percentage of families have deteriorated through divorce, and irresponsible, out of wedlock sexual relationships.

Rutgers sociologist Professor David Popenoe writes, "the burden of social science evidence supports the idea that gender-differentiated parenting is important for human development and the contribution of fathers to childrearing is unique and irreplaceable." He then concludes: "We should disavow the notion that mommies can make good daddies, just as we should the popular notion that daddies can make good mommies. The two sexes are different to the core and each is necessary; culturally and biologically;for the optimal development of a human being."

This is why 34 states specified the long held definition of marriage as the union of a man and a woman, Many doing so by amending their constitutions.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I support the free speech rights of citizen to peacefully assemble and demonstrate for, or against, anything they like.

However, I still oppose same sex marriage and most of the other stuff represented by this "festival."

Is this a wonderful country, or what!

jrp7sen
Logan, UT

I'm Mormon from Logan, and attending school at BYUI. I support gay marriage and gay rights and protection. I couldn't attend the parade today unfortunately, but many of my friends from Logan and here at BYUI took the time during mid-terms to celebrate and be a part of this. Love will win. I will always support love, commitment and family- even when my church does not.

A1994
Centerville, UT

@Rocket Science

In other words, a family with a mother and a father is the most ideal of circumstances under which to raise a child. Makes sense to me.

5th Amendment
Salt Lake, UT

@A1994
Taking your optimal parenting rationale to a logical conclusion, empirical evidence at hand should require that only rich, educated, suburban-dwelling, married Asians can marry while excluding all other heterosexual couples. The absurdity of such a requirement is self-evident.

Every major professional organization in this country whose focus is the health and well-being of children and families has reviewed the data on outcomes for children raised by lesbian and gay couples, including the methods by which the data were collected, and have concluded that these children are not disadvantaged compared to children raised in heterosexual parent households. Organizations expressing support for parenting, adoption, and/or fostering by lesbian and gay couples include (but are not limited to): American Medical Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Psychiatric Association, American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, American Psychoanalytic Association, American Psychological Association, Child Welfare League of America, National Association of Social Workers, and the Donaldson Adoption Institute. It’s the quality of parenting that’s being offered. When these factors are present: good mental health, good parent-child relationships, warmth, stimulation, structure, and the availability of resources. Then we’re going to have a child who will be healthy.

MurrayGuy
Murray, UT

I love the the rants and hate in here. The LDS Church is your scapegoat for your anger and your vitriol. This is why we will never have a civil discourse, people mock the "Mormon building bridges" as a stunt and routine. You expect people who have held to opinions and beliefs to change over night? Rather than accept that people can evolve and learn to evolve, in other words "be human" you cast them as bigoted and shortsighted. Gay marriage is not an easy thing for many of us, and I admit it has taken me a long time to realize that how others choose to love is does not affect my beliefs. Nor does it detract that people I have come to know and respect are gay and are just the same as I. So, please give the rants a rest, let history fall where it may, and let those of us still coming to terms with changes have that time.

equal protection
Cedar, UT

Many undoubtedly voted for Amendment 3 because of sincerely held religious beliefs that homosexuality is wrong or that gay marriage conflicts with doctrinal teachings. For them, the ban ensured that their “strongly held values” are “reflected in the law.” However, those beliefs cannot justify State-sponsored discrimination. “The same Constitution that protects the free exercise of one’s faith is the same Constitution that prevents the state from either mandating adherence to an established religion or ‘enforcing private moral or religious beliefs without an accompanying secular purpose. Some people also have “sincerely held religious beliefs” against interracial dating and interracial marriage. The Constitution prevents the State from enforcing such beliefs and simply recognizes that such views cannot deprive citizens of their constitutionally protected fundamental rights.

"Prejudice rises not from malice or hostile animus alone. It may result as well from insensitivity caused by simple want of careful, rational reflection or from some instinctive mechanism to guard against people who appear to be different from ourselves.”

BoringGuy
Holladay, UT

It's great to see Salt Lake giving the gay community the respect and dignity it deserves. A year or two from now, after the Supreme Court overturns gay marriage bans in all 50 states, our gay brothers and sisters in Utah will be able to get married in every county. It's going to be awesome!

Sqweebie
Salt Lake City, UT

A whole weekend of people acting full of themselves and boasting.

Pride is an inwardly directed emotion that carries two common meanings. With a negative connotation, pride refers to an inflated sense of one's personal status or accomplishments, often used synonymously with hubris (wiki)

dictionary:a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.
2.
the state or feeling of being proud.
3.
a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.

Laura Bilington
Maple Valley, WA

@ Rocket Scientist, 34 states amended their constitutions because of animus toward gays and heavy lobbying by fundamentalist Christian and LDS churches. I doubt that one voter in 100 knew who David Popenoe was.

You can always find one person out of dozens who will agree with you, even if you are claiming that the moon is made of green cheese. Neither Popenoe nor Regenerus have much of a reputation among sociologists.

Bob K
Davis, CA

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT
"Each State has an interest in seeing successful families. Unfortunately since the sexual revolution of the 1960's too large a percentage of families have deteriorated through divorce, and irresponsible, out of wedlock sexual relationships.
Rutgers sociologist Professor David Popenoe writes...."

..... Yep, let's quote old articles by a die hard who teaches in a middling college in a State that has marriage equality, which is very popular, except among the conservative catholics he represents.

Let's ignore that orphanages are overflowing -- Gay families help give homes to hard to place kids.

Let's ignore that people are entitled to get married and never have children.

Let's forget that individuals may have Constitutional rights, and some churches do not agree, but they do not own the Government, even in Utah.

Divorce spoils families
Lack of commitment spoils families
Poverty spoils families.

Gay people marrying adds to the list of stable families.

Stubborn people who want to stop others' rights do not exactly enhance the Christian church.

Lightbearer
Brigham City, UT

Re: "I can't help but note the irony of 'Mormons Building Bridges' out on the Sabbath day at a parade. How deeply do they believe in their religion?"

The parade was held on a Sunday, so Sunday was the only day they could participate.

"And [Jesus] said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath."

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