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Published: Friday, June 6 2014 6:15 p.m. MDT

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Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Corvette

Groups that oppose homosexuality aren't allowed in the days of 47 parade either. So sorry, no sympathy for "discrimination" there

And does anyone know when the heterosexuals are having our pride parade? I want to parade the streets to scream to everyone I am straight.

Oh wait, no I don't. And thankfully neither do the rest of heterosexuals either. We aren't like that. And I'm "proud" of that.

Wilf 55
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

In terms of a positive image for Mormonism, "Mormons Building Bridges" has done an incredible job worldwide. Their participation has been in news outlets all over the world. But the Church has systematically been destroying that image by its campaign against same-sex marriage. Also in the news worldwide.

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

One the one hand, I love that Pride has become a big celebration, with GLBT people and friends and allies all enjoying the day. I love that corporations are willing to embrace and support the gay community as a whole, and members of the community.

On the other hand, I hate the loss of connection with the history of the Gay community. The first Pride happened in New York City one year after the Stonewall Inn - a small bar that had Transgender and Gay patrons - was brutally raided yet one more time, with the difference being that some of the Transwomen said "enough is enough" and stood up to the thuggish behavior of the police.

We need to remember the past, remember the brutality of treatment, the fear and hiding. If we forget it can happen again all too easily.

But for today... enjoy the sun and the fun and the very, very visible community.

Macfarren
Dallas, TX

Is it not called "Gay Pride" anymore?

A Scientist
Provo, UT

I admire Ms Munson for her seemingly quixotic passion, and hope that her noble efforts are not an exercise in futility against the hegemony of dogmatic religious prejudice.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

Its a shame that LDS people and other Christians who have a different point of view on moral issues have to be forced to lose their jobs and freedom of expression by the gay community. Few conservatives would deny our gay brothers and sisters any constitutional right. Gay citizens can love who they wish and live their life style in freedom. Where we are concerned is that a different definition of marriage has to be legally forced upon us and that if we object to that then we will be singled out and punished for exercising our right of freedom of expression. If amendment 3 was too broad then lets work for a better amendment that recognizes fundamental rights for all citizens who have committed relationships, but also one which respects the point of view of those who have certain moral convictions.

Really???
Kearns, UT

@Christopher B

When you are constantly harassed, belittled, and have laws banning you from doing things because you are straight, then I will be the first in line to get the city to allow you to have a heterosexual pride parade. When you get disapproving looks or even get threatened with physical harm because you are holding hands with the one you love, then I will stand by you to get a straight pride festival.

I, too, long for the day when we won't need events like this, but from some comments I see that it may be a long time before that happens.

Sneaky Jimmy
Bay Area, CA

If you see injustice get up, stand up. I would hope kind, loving people of all faiths would follow Ms. Munson's example. Step out of your beehive and march on Sunday.

MoNoMo
Fair Oaks, CA

Meckofahess,

Below is a quote from the ruling in WI yesterday striking down that states ban on same-sex marriage.

"This case is not about whether marriages between same-sex couples are consistent or inconsistent with the teachings of a particular religion, whether such marriages are moral or immoral or whether they are something that should be encouraged or discouraged. It is not even about whether the plaintiffs in this case are as capable as opposite-sex couples of maintaining a committed and loving relationship or raising a family together. Quite simply,this case is about liberty and equality, the two cornerstones of the rights protected by the United States Constitution."

Utahwoody
Salt Lake City, UT

“Gay Pride was not born of a need to celebrate being gay, but our right to exist without persecution. So instead of wondering why there isn’t a straight pride movement, be thankful you don’t need one.” - unknown

EstoPerpetua
Holden, MA

@Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT

" Where we are concerned is that a different definition of marriage has to be legally
forced upon us"

You are entitled to your opinion which is about religious marriage but marriage licenses
are civil licenses, not religious. Why should taxpayers have to spend all of that extra
money to create new licenses just for LGBTs?
" but also one which respects the point of view of those who have certain moral convictions "

Why is this a moral issue? God created all genders and as science has proven, it is as
natural to be gay as it is to be straight, I should know, I was born gay. Just as people
learned that the world is not flat they are continuously learning about who humans are and
that loving one another is very important for us to continue our advancement into the
future.

brotherJonathan
SLC, UT

@Christopher.. Freedom of speech is a protected right. Whether you are for or against something, the right to protest and march must be guaranteed to all citizen members. That is why anti-war or anti human rights groups like the KKK can voice their opinions. Even if the majority believes they are dead wrong and without moral justification. It turns out anti-war marches of the Vietnam era were justified and moral. So public opinion is just that, current opinion based on status quo operations...Public opinion often is not necessarily based in logic and the best course for society to follow.
Equality under all laws are our only true protection for freedom and liberty to rule our government and the laws that govern the USA. We are not equal under laws at this time. Bribery and slavery-based drug laws violate constitutional powers over all laws. We citizens can't see/comprehend this truth, because those laws are ingrained in status quo operations. Which means our individual instinct mechanism is blinding us to our true current reality. Once we understand that instinct mechanism is Satan: we will fight for our right of choice to do what is best.Truth.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Meckofahess

Your freedom of expression is untarnished. The fact that you were able to make your post without any sort of legal consequence is proof of that. However, I disagree with the majority of your post. This is not a morality issue, it is a legal one. The only person who defines morality is you, and the only person you can define morality for is yourself. Which means you do not have a right to apply your definition of morality to anybody else. Many lawyers have tried to prove that allowing same-sex couple to marry would be a detriment to society, families, children, religions, etc., and not a single person has succeeded. I suggest we all live and let live.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

Hi Meckofahess,

Re: the definition of marriage: It won't change for those of us who don't share your view, so I think the distinction that your side sees must be addressed by your respective religions. Trying to do this at the secular level only creates the "separate but equal" condition, which won't pass Constitutional muster and then we're back where we started. Do you have another solution?

Re: being punished for your objections to SSM: No one has been ILLEGALLY punished for expressing these views. However, as an atheist, I am acquainted with the LEGAL punishment that expressing an unpopular view can garner. I simply don't know how to prevent such behavior from feeling like this. For social creatures, it IS punishment to be subjected to public disapproval and rejection. So we form our subgroups where our views are accepted and, when willing to take the heat, we go out to the larger group and try again.

But this is not persecution and there is nothing in our laws that says you or I are entitled to be protected from it. Thank goodness, I say. Your thoughts?

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

@Christopher B: "And does anyone know when the heterosexuals are having our pride parade?"

When I was a teen people would sarcastically ask, "So when I White History Month?" The proper answer was, of course, "January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, and December."

Hetero pride is you and your wife walking down the street holding hands without fear of being called names or being attacked.

Hetero pride is being able to put your wife's picture on your desk at work and not fear being fired or harassed.

Hetero pride is having your wife accompany you to a medical appointment without worry that the doctor or nurse will mistreat you because of your relationship.

Hetero pride is knowing that nobody has voted to outlaw your marriage.

In 1968 transgender women and some gay men got tired of being brutalized by the police for simply existing. The result was the Stonewall Riot, and the following year the very first Gay Pride Parade in New York City. Gay Pride says we will not be mistreated, we demand our civil rights, we celebrate who we are.

Understands Math
Lacey, WA

@Macfarren wrote: "Is it not called "Gay Pride" anymore?"

Most celebrations nationwide are simply called Pride events in order to be more inclusive: Not just for gays, but lesbians, bisexual, transgender, asexual, and all others that are gender and sexual minorities.

CB
Salt Lake City, UT

REALLY!
Some of those same actions are directed against the Straights by the Gays, don't kid yourself.
And when people, who for religious reasons chose not to join in their celebrations because of
their religious beliefs, then the Gays should, like the religious, be required to take
sensitivity courses about those beliefs that they are committed too. What is 'good for the goose, should be equally good for the gander'.

dmcvey
Los Angeles, CA

@ Christopher B If your heterosexual pride parade was really about being proud of being heterosexual no one would care--but everytime there is a "straight pride" event it's really about being anti-LGBT.

EJM
Herriman, UT

I read all the angry comments on here by people of both "points of view". Here's a thought for you all: "You realize you have control of your life when you stop trying to BE in control, or acquire it.".

Mayfair
City, Ut

Two For Flinching said " I suggest we all live and let live."

Thats how it used to be, LGBT went about their lives, & did what they wanted, & nobody knew, & nobody cared.

We all just "lived and let live".

But apparently that wasn't good enough....
And so now we are where we are today--bitterly divided......when if everyone would have just lived and let live, all the bitterness and animosity between to the two camps wouldn't even exist.

I for one would LOVE to go back to how it used to be. To how I would see the gay men who lived 2 apartments down & how we would great each other or help each other carry things etc & we were just all humans living our lives. Now, especially with the Lesbians I know, they are sarcastic and take extra care to give some blatant PDA's when they see us coming.
It really was better back when no one was trying to be overt, or in-you-face, when we were all just happy to live & let live.

Wherever you are, I miss you 2 nice guys & those days, let me tell ya.

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