Quantcast
Sports

Mendenhall tells Texas newspaper, 'We would love to be in the Big 12'

Comments

Return To Article
  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 10, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    RE: Jeremy234

    "I live in Salt Lake and I don't know anybody that follows BYU."

    I live in Wisconsin, but I know at least one person in SLC that follows BYU. His moniker is "Jeremy234". Actually, just by reading the discussion boards in the DNews I've found dozens of people in SLC that follow BYU. They say that they've "moved on" but they obviously haven't. Go Cougs!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 10, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching "Of course they were in the top 5. There usually aren't that many games on Thursday or Friday night...."

    Sure, except that 7 of the 9 BYU games that SportsMediaWatch rated were on Saturday. And, ironically, 2 of the 5 games that Utah played that were rated by SportsMediaWatch were on Thursday. And I don't think either one of those Utah games made the Top 5...

    Poor Utah...in the "P5" and still not able to carry your own market. Must be rough to be saddled behind "mid-major" BYU :)

    Go Cougars!

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    June 10, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    What Bronco said was true. BYU would be good for ANY major football conference. Any conference (or BYU antagonist)that thumbs their nose at BYU is really just showing their true colors; prejudiced against an influential and successful university sports program based solely on their religious affiliation.

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    June 10, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    I live in Salt Lake and I don't know anybody that follows BYU.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    @ truecoug1

    Of course they were in the top 5. There usually aren't that many games on Thursday or Friday night....

    @ Hawk

    Bronco trying to write the Texas newspaper's headline is what made his comments seem like he was begging. IMO

  • OC Fan Orange County, CA
    June 10, 2014 12:24 p.m.

    @Chris B:

    SL Tribune: "BYU football already is better than a number of programs with favored (Big 5 conference) status, and has been for years. Were the Cougars to play in one of those conferences, their record would suffer. But to say they do not belong, on competitive grounds, is bogus, relative to many schools that already are in."

    Just like the U. Their record has suffered, but the U literally belongs in the Pac-12. The Y could compete in any Big 5 conference as well as the U has and will compete. Just as the U's ability to compete will improve in the Pac-12, so would the Y's ability to compete if it were in a Big 5 conference.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 10, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    @MyPerspective

    I'm not sure what your point was in that post, but I'll do my best to respond.

    LoyalCougars was simply citing the SportsMediaWatch article for their numbers and comparing BYU's ratings to other games that were played on the same network and at a similar time as the BYU games. Pretty easy to do; not sure why that wouldn't be credible. It showed that BYU had consistently solid ratings across the board, ranking in the top 5 (and in most cases top 3) of games played during similar time slots.

    I have no doubt that BYU's bigger games had bigger ratings because there is more interest generated from playing bigger opponents. I also have no doubt that BYU's brand and market are what made BYU's ratings score consistently in the top 5 of games played at similar slots.

    My whole point was to show that BYU dominated the TV ratings and markets for the schools in Utah last year, so it would appear that Bronco is justified in saying they bring the Utah and Salt Lake markets to the table, a statement that has sent most Ute fans into a frenzy (which is hilarious).

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    June 10, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    After nearly 200 comments, I'm still struggling to see why Bronco's statements are controversial, how they undermine Holmoe's efforts, or why people are surprised to hear Bronco express a desire to be in the Big 12. Begging? How? Just stating his opinion. I didn't hear a "please, oh, please" anywhere in his interview. While there are BYU fans who seem to be completely satisfied with independence, I think most of us have felt all along that it was the best available option at the time, but with the hope that it would be a temporary solution until a positive and acceptable conference affiliation.

    Kudoes to Tom Holmoe -- I've been VERY impressed with his scheduling efforts and with his overall performance as AD. I'm sure he is pursuing all possible options -- and I would be interested to hear why ute fans think he would be so upset with Bronco's comments. Of course, you will convince me of nothing but how your hatred of all things BYU skews your thoughts and comments....

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2014 4:33 p.m.

    This article still makes me smile. There's just something about Mendenhall undermining Holmoe's athletic dept by jumping up and down and saying...

    "look at me over here. Pick me...pick me! I'm the biggest...I'm the best there is, anywhere. Everyone wants to be me!"

    I love it.

    ...and then there are posts like this:

    truecoug1
    Provo, UT

    "Check out the article "Despite slow start, BYU's ratings solid" on LoyalCougars. It breaks down BYU's TV ratings for 2013 and shows that BYU's ratings were consistently in the top 5..."

    LoyalCougars? Now, there's a credible source. LOL!

    Hey truecoug1, did it occur to you that the viewership numbers you report from LoyalCougars, even if accurate, may reflect the fans of the teams byu played? byu actually had a few compelling games last year.

    I'm sure ND fans would dispute that. I know Utah fans dispute that. Texas? The fact that it was, most weeks, the only game on tv in the middle of the week?

    The only people who would buy into what you are selling, truecoug1, are byu fans.

    Hence...byu is OUT and Mendenahall is begging.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 9, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    @Uteology

    Regarding the Virginia game, I definitely think the storm was a large part of the problem. It delayed the game for a couple of hours, and people on DirecTV only got to watch half of the game, while those on Dish had to get switched over to an alternate channel in order to watch the rest of the game.

    I don't know how the ratings are calculated regarding the ESPN alternate channel, but losing the DirectTV viewership alone would have been enough to result in a dip in the ratings.

    Again, the numbers don't lie: BYU had nearly 14 million viewers last year (average of 1.4 million a game), compared to the Utes' 3.3 million (average of 660K a game). Utah's highest rated game was the BYU game, while that was BYU's 6th highest rated game of the year. The major networks valued BYU enough to show their games 10 times last year, while Utah made a mere 5 appearances.

    So I think Bronco has a definite case saying that the Cougars bring the Utah and Salt Lake markets with them to the table.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 9, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    @Uteology

    Check out the article "Despite slow start, BYU's ratings solid" on LoyalCougars. It breaks down BYU's TV ratings for 2013 and shows that BYU's ratings were consistently in the top 5 (and in many cases Top 3) of college football games on the same network at the same time slot. BYU's brand is doing just fine.

    Remember, BYU's brand got them the contract with ESPN in the first place. It's also nice to know that even when playing smaller name opponents, ESPN still values BYU enough to put them on their networks. It's unfortunate for Utah that even its biggest opponents (Oregon and UCLA) only got the Utes on FS1 and brought in some of the lower ratings for Oregon and UCLA of the season.

    I'm curious what you think of Utah's brand if you feel that BYU's is struggling. BYU appeared on the major networks 10 times last year, and Utah five. What does that say about Utah's brand?

    That's why Bronco is justified in saying that BYU brings the Salt Lake and Utah markets to the table.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 9, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    When the original shake-up started byu rode their high horse into the fray. Now there's no shortage of reasons to leave them out.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs "And geography? Seriously? If geography mattered would WVU even be in the Big 12 to begin with?"
    The author who interviewed Bronco for the Austin paper noted a couple of geography items in a radio interview.

    Its about geography now. The Big12 decided to either expand east or west, but not both. With WV in, that means "expand west" is out. WV's nearest conference opponent is 800+ miles away. Priority is to find WV one or two nearer teams.

    The Big12 is adamant that they will not become "Conference USA", spanning 3 time zones. Geography is an issue against BYU. You say "not a big deal" and that may be true for a money program like football, but it greatly affects the smaller sports. The author noted, if BYU was in Albuquerque instead of Provo, BYU would have a better chance of joining.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2014 1:02 a.m.

    @ CougarSunDevil

    We're talking closer to 30,000 people; not 100. The only person guilty of skewing stats here is from the Grand Canyon State.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 7, 2014 9:14 p.m.

    U-PAC:
    I got tired of reading all the Big 12 stuff but you really discredit yourself saying DeLoss Dodds was against BYU joining. Asked in Feb 2012 as reported by Barry Trammel of the Oklahoman which teams the Big 12 would seek if they tried to expand Dodds said "future Big 12 expansion could target Louisvelle or Brigham Young..." He went on to say his first choice would be ND but we all know that's not happening. It's also a moot point because Dodds is gone. I also read with great interest many of the blogs involving fan sentiment and bloggers like Frank the Tank who still deem BYU the best expansion option at this point. And geography? Seriously? If geography mattered would WVU even be in the Big 12 to begin with?

    Now I'm not saying BYU will ever get in, but I think if I'm the Big 12 I go for the best value. And this is the 21st century where geography isn't as big a deal. Who else brings the bacon? No, not Houston and by all accounts Pitt is happy in their new home (saying nothing of the GORs they just signed).

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    June 7, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    2fer

    "I'm not sure that's true. Utah had a 99% renewal rate on season tickets, again, this year. That doesn't sound like an apathetic fan base to me. "

    This is weak so weak. 99% sounds great! until you realize you're only dealing with 100 people. If you can say and post skewed stats, don't nock others for their posts. Live and let live.

  • BJR Duchesne, UT
    June 7, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    I would hate to see BYU join the pac12. We don't need all the crud that comes with it. They are crude and rude and very self centered. Oregon State is the only decent school in the bunch.Utah fits the mold.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    @ JD

    The hit on Bradford was 100% clean, and was the play where Keeton went down.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    @ CougarSunDevil

    WEAK. So weak.

    CFB > college baseball. That has nothing to do with Utah/BYU.

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 7, 2014 12:05 p.m.

    Here are the facts:

    According to ESPN BYU has 706K fans Nationwide, Utah has around 320K
    LES capacity 64K
    RES capacity 45K

    If the top leagues in the country create a P5 division or what ever it is called, BYU will join one of those leagues or will disband football. Disbanding would probably hurt Utah fans more than BYU fans.

    That is the way it is.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    June 7, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    Adam
    "Bronco is smart enough to know not to convert all of his quarterbacks to other positions and leave his quarterback cupboard bare with only an injury prone starter left to be his signal caller."

    Yeah, he does the opposite. He takes a gritty, DB and a running back and tries to make a quarterback out of them.

  • xam Provo, UT
    June 7, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    BlueCoug,

    That’s actually really good research. You’re the first BYU fan to answer the question. I wasn’t sure I trusted your work but it checks out… I have BYU winning 14 games against ranked teams which is close enough (and better than I realized). I thought it was only around 8-10 wins against ranked teams…. So you have enlightened me.

    The gap in my understanding was in the Lavell era. He had 11 wins against ranked opponents in his 29 seasons and I thought he only had something like 7 or 8. Bronco only has two wins; he hasn’t been able to get his teams up for the big games like LaVell did.

    Still the Utah coaches have beaten ranked teams with more frequency.

    Whittingham = one win vs. ranked opponent every 1.29 seasons
    Meyer = one win every 2.00 seasons
    McBride = one win every 2.60 seasons
    Edwards = one every 2.63 seasons
    Bronco = one every 4.50 seasons

    Back to the point of the article and my original post…. here’s to BYU getting in the BIG12. If they do Saturdays will be much more fun.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    June 7, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    littleperspective

    "Mendenhall has never, and will never, be accused of being the sharpest tool in the shed..."

    Bronco is smart enough to know not to convert all of his quarterbacks to other positions and leave his quarterback cupboard bare with only an injury prone starter left to be his signal caller.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 6:49 a.m.

    The door to gain access to the type of conference to which byu feels "entitled" was slammed shut on byu by the SEC and the ACC. The Pac-12 is flat out beyond byu's reach. The Big10 is the same.

    The Big12 is byu's only hope but outside a lot of groveling by Holmoe and now Mendenhall, byu has done precious little to merit even the slightest consideration. This week Mendenhall effectively declared that independence is not a worthy pursuit. Even Mendenhall sees the futility of the path down which Holmoe has lead byu athletics. How much longer will byu fans be fooled?

    Maybe this year's schedule will be the wake up call?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 7, 2014 5:18 a.m.

    @scott
    Truth in advertising, Stanford finished #10/#12 in 2013, and Pittsburgh was barely ranked, #25, in one poll in 2004. Air Force(8-4) finished higher, #24, in the final AP poll of 1984, than Pittsburgh did in 2004.

    ----------

    No it did not. AF was not ranked, it finished tied with others receiving votes with Notre Dame at #24 with 26 votes. 2004 #25 Pitt had 99 votes.

    FACT: BYU is the ONLY national champion in the modern era to have not beat a single final ranked team.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 7, 2014 5:06 a.m.

    @true

    Virgina's only win over a D1 team on ESPNU and nobody watched:

    Saturday, August 31 0.2 299K 3:30 PM BYU vs Virginia ESPNU
    Saturday, October 12 0.2 353K 3:30 PM Virginia vs Maryland ESPNU
    Saturday, November 23 0.4 542K 12:00 PMVirginia vs Miami ESPNU
    Saturday, November 30 0.2 367K 3:30 PM Virginia vs Tech Virginia ESPNU

    What happened to the BYU's world-wide audience? What happened to the Salt Lake market they dominate?

    Can you please explain why the viewer numbers were so low? Was it because of the rain that no one watched?

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    June 7, 2014 1:53 a.m.

    Hey ZB! Doing well. I never said Utah didn't "earn" their way into the PAC (they did). My point is that right now, Utah and BYU are both living in the margins of relevancy (Utes due to tougher competition & BYU due to indy no-man's land) and for people to get all carried away in a spitting contest is just silly. Both teams have a lot of work to do going forward. Personally, I prefer to discuss the sport of football without all this spitting at each other. Will Wilson be healthy? Who are the best RB's coming back for the Utes? Is Whitt's job on the line this season? Will BYU get better play from their O-line? Can BYU get back to using their TE's more? If Hill's hurt, will BYU be up a creek? (Utes are familiar with that last situation). Why can we not talk about those things? Just a thought. Take care.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 7, 2014 1:05 a.m.

    @ Snack PAC

    I have never tried to argue that Utah has a bigger fan base than BYU. I'm honestly not sure what the point of your post was....

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    June 7, 2014 12:49 a.m.

    2fer

    "This story is much bigger than Mitch Watrous' potential pro career."

    Couldn't have said it better myself. BYU > Utah

    Thanks!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 7, 2014 12:22 a.m.

    I really don't know what Holmoe, Samuelson,the BOT, and their gaggle of lawyers were thinking back in 2011... It's a tragedy actually... When a league that includes OU and Texas come knocking on your door you open it and jump into their arms... you don't step back and "size up the situation"... Of course the Big 12 knew we didn't play on Sunday, yet they still came calling... BYU TV, and athletic financial disclosure is not that important... We are NOT Notre Dame and we shouldn't act like it.

    Sadly, of how our leaders handled this will continue to set BYU Sports back for a very long time... Mendenhall's efforts are to be commended... Too bad Holmoe is not better at stuff like that...

    I still hold hope that someday we'll get in to the Big 12... a much better conference than the pac12 with philosophies better aligned... I suspect it will require some major contrition on our part, representation from BYU that is respected (i.e. Ainge, Young, and maybe Edwards and Rose meeting with their Conference Reps and offering something like a no share distribution on anything but BYU revenue for 5 years).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 7, 2014 12:21 a.m.

    @truecoug1

    Nope. Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas was the reason you were worthy of ESPN. Teams like Virgina, Georgia Tech is why you were worthy of ESPNU, ESPN News.

    You want to compare Oregon-Washington and Oregon-Utah on FS1? When did I claim Utah had better viewership than Washington?

    Saturday, August 31 0.2299K 3:30 PM BYU vs Virginia ESPNU
    Saturday, October 12 0.2 353K 3:30 PM Virginia vs Maryland ESPNU

    BYU had the lowest viewership playing both teams on ESPNU as compared to other opponents playing Virgina and GT oi ESPNU. What happened to your world-wide brand?

    I think you have a hard time understanding that if you had a such a huge market you wouldn't be begging to the Big 12 for 40 years.

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    June 7, 2014 12:00 a.m.

    Sounds like desperation!

    Not gonna happen, you been too difficult and too full of yourself over the years to even have a second look, you only have yourself to blame. Don't think for one minute Oklahoma is going to give you their vote after the biggest cheap shot at QB Sam Bradford a few years ago that ruined his senior year. (Funny how the same thing happened to Chuckie Keeton. TCU has been in a conference with ya before, surely they don't want to that again.

    Who wants a team that is headed to NCAA sanctions, loss of scholarships, no junior high bowl games, and a big fine. Rise and shout, let the air out, the program is lame and boring!

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:45 p.m.

    Wishful thinking to say the least.

    Whatever window of opportunity there was is long gone.

    But, on the bright side we still have BYU TV.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:42 p.m.

    xamiam

    "At least Utah's 08 team beat 4 ranked teams and the 94 team also beat 4 ranked teams. Heck, even Utah's 04 team beat one ranked team, and the '13 team beat a top 5 team."

    If Utah has been so stellar at beating ranked teams, why hasn't Utah been ranked more often?

    The simple truth is, Utah has only had multiple wins in the same season over Top 25 teams TWICE in their entire history, 1994 and 2008.

    In 1994, Utah beat #11/#11 Oregon and #16/#14 Colorado St on the road, #18/#10 BYU at home, and #20/#20 Arizona in their bowl, but even then, the Utes weren't good enough to win the WAC championship, because they lost to New Mexico(5-7) and Air Force(8-4) on the road.

    In 2008, Utah beat #18/#19 Oregon St, #7/#7 TCU, and #25/#21 BYU at home, and #6/#6 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.

    Truth in advertising, Stanford finished #10/#12 in 2013, and Pittsburgh was barely ranked, #25, in one poll in 2004. Air Force(8-4) finished higher, #24, in the final AP poll of 1984, than Pittsburgh did in 2004.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:37 p.m.

    Mendenhall has never, and will never, be accused of being the sharpest tool in the shed but to say...

    "Between myself and my basketball coaches, there’s no two featured programs that have won mores games,” Mendenhall continued. “Our attendance is high enough. And our winning percentage is high enough."

    My basketball coaches?? Does Holmoe know that his buddy Bronko took his job? How embarrassing for byu and Holmoe.

  • Coolhead55 North Logan, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:30 p.m.

    I'm a fan of college football, and have followed both BYU and Utah intently most of my life. I cheer for quality play. I care little for 30 yr old exploits and find the chest beating of fans for both programs an enjoyable side show. The bottom line: give Utah BYU's schedule and they end with a great record and go bowling, maybe a BCS bowl. Give BYU Utah's schedule, and they win a couple of games.

    Does BYU bring anything to a B5 conference? Of course. But do they bring more then they take away? If they did, there would be invites. BYU needs to do more then scream: We are great! It needs to sacrifice and negotiate or swivel in the wind, unprotected by conference affiliation. Utah received PAC12 $10 million this year and will soon get $20-$25 million. And BYU, how much $$ as an independent? If what I hear from BYU insiders is true, the Busby thing has many more shoes that will fall. Lousy timing. What happens if it looses scholarships and is banned from TV if the offenses are deemed institutional? Independence then starves the Cougs. Beg like there is no tomorrow Bronco.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 6, 2014 9:14 p.m.

    Uteanymous

    Game, set, match!

    ----------------

    By the time Utah cracked the AP poll for the first time, in 1994, BYU already had ELEVEN AP Top 25 finishes.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era, Bronco has FOUR AP Top 25 finishes, Kyle only TWO.

    At Utah's rate of ONE AP Top 25 finish every 15.4 years (since 1936), it'll take the Utes another 185 years just to match BYU's current SEVENTEEN.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 8:46 p.m.

    xam

    "You can talk about legacy all you want but there's no history in the Y program of beating top ranked teams. The only one that comes to mind is 1990 when BYU beat #3 Miami..."

    It's cute how jealous Utah fans try minimize BYU's accomplishments, but let's compare:

    Best Win Ever

    In 1990, BYU beat then #1-ranked, defending national champion Miami. Miami finished #3/#3.
    In 2008, Utah beat then #3-ranked, SEC runner-up Alabama. Alabama finished #6/#6.

    BYU over #3 Miami > Utah over #6 Alabama

    ----------------

    Best Season Ever

    In 1984, BYU won the National Championship, finishing #1/#1.
    In 2008, Utah won the Sugar Bowl, finishing #2/#4

    #1/#1 BYU > #2/#4 Utah

    ----------------

    Best Individual Achievement Ever

    In 1990, BYU's Ty Detmer won the Heisman Trophy
    In..., Utah has never won a single national individual award

    BYU's Heisman Trophy > Utah's...

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    June 6, 2014 8:28 p.m.

    xam

    "It would be nice however if any Y fan could also admit the Cougars did it by beating absolutely nobody."

    Seriously, that's the best you've got.

    BYU compiled their 17 AP Top 25 finishes playing pretty much the same WAC/MWC schedule Utah played, except for bowl games, where BYU played as many ranked teams, 16 AP, 17 Coaches, as Utah has played bowls, 17.

    Versus AP Top 25
    BYU 15-69 (18%)
    Utah 15-75 (17%)

    Versus Coaches Top 25
    BYU 16-80 (17%)
    Utah 16-79 (17%)

    The big difference is while Utah was mired in 1- to 8-win seasons from 1972 to 1993, BYU was a perpetual 9- to 13-win team.

    "How many times has BYU beat 2 teams in the same season that finished the year ranked? Never?"

    In 1983, BYU beat #13/#15 Air Force and #17/#13 UCLA, both on the road, as part of their 24-game winning streak culminating in their 1984 National Championship.

    In 1992, BYU beat #24/#22 Fresno St and ur/#25 Penn St.
    In 1996, BYU beat #22/#22 Wyoming and #17/#17 Kansas St.
    In 2012, BYU only beat one ranked team, but lost to 3 others by a total of 10 points.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    June 6, 2014 6:48 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    Why are you desperately trying to ignore the facts that prove that Oklahoma was at the very least equal to Utah's best opponent in 2004, if not superior?

    Oklahoma 2009 played the #22 SOS and finished #17 in Sagarin, #26 in AP, and #29 in Coaches.
    Pittsburgh 2004 played the #66 SOS and finished #55 in Sagarin, #25 in AP, and #28 in Coaches.

    It's funny how Utah fans made a big deal out of #34 Utah finishing ONE PLACE ahead of #35 BYU in Sagarin's 2013 rating, yet you want to completely ignore Sagarin's ratings for

    2009 Oklahoma #17
    and
    2004 Pittsburgh #55

    which obviously indicates that the Oklahoma team BYU beat in 2009 was a vastly superior to the Pittsburgh team Utah beat in 2004.

    Pittsburgh finishing almost FORTY places behind Oklahoma in Sagarin's ratings is also just a simple fact. It's amusing how much that simple fact seems to bother you, to the point that you want to pretend that it doesn't even exist.

  • xam Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 6:41 p.m.

    ND95CA,

    I freely admit BYU has more consistently achieved top 25 rankings. It would be nice however if any Y fan could also admit the Cougars did it by beating absolutely nobody. At least Utah's 08 team beat 4 ranked teams and the 94 team also beat 4 ranked teams. Heck, even Utah's 04 team beat one ranked team, and the '13 team beat a top 5 team.

    How many times has BYU beat 2 teams in the same season that finished the year ranked? Never? I've posted this question a dozen times with no response from Y fans.

    You can talk about legacy all you want but there's no history in the Y program of beating top ranked teams. The only one that comes to mind is 1990 when BYU beat #3 Miami, after that is the win over #17 Kansas State the best win?

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 6, 2014 6:37 p.m.

    @soup

    Utah's 2008 would at the very least finished 11-1 if they had been in the PAC. The 2008 team was strong, healthy and experienced enough to face any team. They would have played in a different BCS bowl though.

    @truthsandwich

    BYU TOOK Bradford out for the season making Oklahoma a much less effective team the rest of the year. BYU beat a very good program and CAUSED that team to under-perform. Saying that the Oklahoma game wasn't meaningful because the team went on to under perform is like saying Alabama was unmotivated facing Utah. Both arguments are hogwash. Just look at how Oklahoma and Alabama did in the seasons before and after the Utes and Cougars took them down.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 6:34 p.m.

    @ CougarSunDevil

    Poor comparison. This story is much bigger than Mitch Watrous' potential pro career. When Utah lost in the NIT that story had about 350 comments.... I guess that makes Utah the most relevant?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 6, 2014 6:33 p.m.

    2fer

    "I don't think Utah is even planning on expanding to 65K. Everything I've heard is between 55-58K, Expansion of RES will be underway in the next few years though, I am sure."

    More than 30 years after LES was expanded to 65K, which would seem to validate the argument that Utah simply doesn't have enough fans to fill a 65K seat stadium

    Average attendance since 2000
    BYU - 61,796
    Utah - 41,956

    Average attendance during the Bronco/Kyle era
    BYU - 61,733
    Utah - 44,339

    Average attendance during the Independent/PAC era
    BYU - 60,884
    Utah - 45,230

    2013 attendance
    BYU - 6 games, 367,349 total, 61,225 average
    Utah - 7 games, 316,361 total, 45,194 average

    Even with Utah playing an extra home game, BYU still drew 51,000 more fans for the season, 6,000 more than the capacity of RES.

    btw, BYU was drawing 46,000+ fans to LES, BEFORE the stadium was expanded.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 6, 2014 6:28 p.m.

    @2Fer

    Utah faces a dismal present.

    All three teams, BYU, USU and Utah have an uncharted future. USU will contend for the most conference titles over the next ten years. I would expect that USU will play in three or four championships and win it at least twice during that span. Utah and BYU won't likely win any conference championships. The reason BYU won't is that they are independent. Utah won't play in one simply because they are at a disadvantage in recruiting that is probably insurmountable.

    USU and BYU will likely play in a bowl game eight or nine times each. Utah should play in three or four. I can't see them making a bowl this year or the next. I do hope they surprise me though. The reality Utah faces is that they are a pretty good mid-major in the third best league (most deep league though). They have improved since the MWC; however the entire PAC12 has done so. You can thank the sanctions on USC for the increased competitiveness of the league. The other teams were rarely ranked before then.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 6, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    @BluCoug

    Why are you desperately spinning off random facts about 2009 Oklahoma's losses? Did someone say they were the worst team in college football? You didn't refute my statement in the slightest.

    All I said was that BYU beat a Bradford-less team that finished unranked. Oklahoma's failure to finish the year ranked is just a simple fact. It's amusing how much that seems to bother you.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 6:06 p.m.

    U-PAC

    Good call acknowledging that the hit that knocked Bradford out of the game was a clean hit.

    I have to disagree with your assessment, however, that "BYU didn't beat OU."

    The score was knotted 7-7 when Sam Bradford was injured. Oklahoma's only score had been set up by a Max Hall interception that gave the Sooners the ball at BYU's 30-yard line.

    On the next to last play of the half, Bradford's incomplete pass from the 18-yard line guaranteed that Oklahoma would have kicked the go-ahead FG to take a narrow 10-7 halftime lead whether or not Bradford had been injured.

    At the half, OU had a 68-21 advantage in rushing yards, but BYU tallied a 224-96 advantage through the air, giving BYU an overall 245-164 advantage. The teams combined for five fumbles (four lost) and 15 penalties. The Cougars held the ball seven minutes longer than OU and Hall was clearly outplaying Bradford before Sam was injured.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    June 6, 2014 5:52 p.m.

    Face it folks-- neither BYU or Utah are anywhere near big time when it comes to winning lately. Yes, even '08 is getting further back in the rear-view mirror. That team may not have been undefeated if playing in the PAC but I dare say, they would kick butt on the Ute teams of the last couple years. This whole comment board is like watching the 5th grade spitting contest. Yes, Utah is in the PAC. Congratulations! Yes, BYU goes to bowls more often. Congratulations! BYU probably would not fair much, if any, better in the PAC than Utah has. The reason both programs hang their hat on those two things is that it's all we've got. Time to man up and start worrying about the future of the team we each cheer FOR and quit spending so much time spitting into the wind at the other guys' team.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    June 6, 2014 5:38 p.m.

    Top story in BYU's page= 154 comments.

    Top story in utah's page= 1 comment.

    Now, who is the more relevant program in Utah?

    BYU

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 5:19 p.m.

    @ Rose Bowl call yet?

    I agree. I don't think Utah is even planning on expanding to 65K. Everything I've heard is between 55-58K, which is a perfect size for Utah right now IMO.

    It is also true that Hill has been slow to expand RES, but worrying about ticket sales is not the primary reason. The new Eccles football facility was first on the list of "needs" for Utah athletics, and it was badly needed. Then a new track facility was built, followed by a softball stadium, and now the new basketball facility, swimming pool, ski facility, and renovations to the JMHC are underway. I believe it was wise to build the entire athletic program instead of just focusing all the resources on football. Expansion of RES will be underway in the next few years though, I am sure.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 5:15 p.m.

    BlueCoug

    re:

    "Oklahoma 2009 played the #22 SOS and finished #17 in Sagarin, #26 in AP, and #29 in Coaches.
    Pittsburgh 2004 played the #66 SOS and finished #55 in Sagarin, #25 in AP, and #28 in Coaches."

    Remember when Utah fans whined about how richly deserving Utah 2004 was of playing for a national championship, when now we see that the best team Utah beat in 2004 was only marginally better, if that, than the Oklahoma team that BYU beat in 2009, a win that Utah fans now label as "insignificant" for BYU.

    The hypocrisy that lives on the hill is truly amazing.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    June 6, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    halftruthsandwich

    "What actually happened is that BYU beat a Bradford-less team that finished unranked."

    What actually happened is that BYU beat a team that lost Bradford for the 2nd half of the game, but, as FACTchequer posted, Oklahoma was still such a formidable team, that the Sooners only lost at #19 Miami 20-21 and to #2 Texas 13-16, even without Bradford. Texas also destroyed bowl-bound Texas A&M(6-7) 65-10, Oklahoma State(9-4) 27-0, and beat Stanford(8-5) in the Sun Bowl.

    Gotta luv the fine lines Utah fans draw between "significant" wins for Utah and "insignificant" wins for BYU.

    Oklahoma 2009 played the #22 SOS and finished #17 in Sagarin, #26 in AP, and #29 in Coaches.

    Pittsburgh 2004 played the #66 SOS and finished #55 in Sagarin, #25 in AP, and #28 in Coaches.

    When the rest of the story is told, it demonstrates how laughable the fine distinctions drawn by the kids on the hill really are.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 4:35 p.m.

    2fer

    "Utah had a 99% renewal rate on season tickets, again, this year."

    That doesn't prove that Utah could fill a 65,000 seat stadium on a regular basis.

    Chris Hill's hesitancy to expand RES is understandable.

    Hill saw what happened at the Huntsman when it became a vast sea of empty red chairs and he can easily envision the exact same thing happening at RES. He doesn't want to waste millions expanding RES only to see it become a vast seas of empty red chairs even more glaring than the Huntsman.

    Who knows how loyal Utah fans will remain if Utah suffers another losing, bowl less season and Whittingham is fired and the football program goes into the same funk that the basketball program endured after Majerus left.

    Hill would look pretty silly expanding the stadium only to see attendance drop to the level it was before 2003.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    @Uteology "Really? Let's see your logic at work:

    Saturday, September 7 0.5 825K 10:30 PM Washington State vs USC FS1

    Saturday, September 141.6 2.53M 10:30 PM Wisconsin vs Arizona State ESPN

    Yeap!! That proves it USC has a viewership problem as compared to ASU, not that FS1 as compared to ESPN."

    You seem to be having a really hard time here. First, the Oregon/Washington and Oregon/Utah games were both on FS1 at the same time, so it was a much better comparison than the one that you gave. (I have never argued that the viewership of FS1 and ESPN are the same. They are in a similar number of households, but ESPN is definitely the bigger name).

    Second, USC (10) and ASU (8) were both deemed worthy to be on the major networks a lot more than Utah (5). That is Utah's biggest issue. These same networks feel that BYU (10 appearances) is a much more attractive name than Utah, most likely because they feel that BYU has a bigger share of the Utah market than the Utes even though Utah is in the PAC 12.

    Go Cougars!

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 4:23 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    "since Bradford was out, your one-point victory over Oklahoma looks a LOT less impressive."

    Nobody is debating that BYU's win wouldn't have been more significant if Bradford had played the whole game, but, by the same token, Oklahoma losing Bradford didn't make BYU's win "insignificant".

    Let's not forget that just a few weeks after the BYU game, Oklahoma only lost at #19 Miami 20-21 and to #2 Texas 13-16, proving that Oklahoma, even without Bradford, was still a very formidable team.

    Football and basketball are vastly different sports when comes to the impact losing one or two players can have on a team. The Bulls losing Jordan was a MUCH bigger loss to the Bulls than the Sooners losing Bradford was to Oklahoma.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 6, 2014 4:08 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    "I feel sorry that Bradford was injured, because I think BYU stood a very good chance of beating Oklahoma with Bradford, and with a healthy Bradford for the remainder of the season, BYU's win over Oklahoma would have been all the more significant."

    I notice a lot of BYU fans seem to love these types of hypotheticals. There are a ton of scenarios that could have happened.

    What actually happened is that BYU beat a Bradford-less team that finished unranked.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 4:04 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    The fact that when the Utes WERE on the major networks, they had substantially smaller viewership than other games at the exact same time slot tells me that Utah has viewership problems, not the networks.

    ------------

    Really? Let's see your logic at work:

    Saturday, September 7 0.5 825K 10:30 PM Washington State vs USC FS1

    Saturday, September 141.6 2.53M 10:30 PM Wisconsin vs Arizona State ESPN

    Yeap!! That proves it USC has a viewership problem as compared to ASU, not that FS1 as compared to ESPN.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    June 6, 2014 4:02 p.m.

    Tomahawk

    "Currently, the Big 12 does not have the SLC market. If BYU was added, they would deliver the SLC market to the Big 12. That is what your coach referred to."

    True.

    Adding BYU to SLC market would also produce an interesting turf war between the Big 12 and PAC 12.

    It would be interesting to see if a BYU-Texas game would draw more than a Utah-USC game if both were played at the same time and both were televised by major networks.

    But none of that negates the follow up discussion debating whether BYU or Utah controls the SLC market, which BYU clearly does.

    From a national perspective, it's not even close, with BYU the clear leader.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    June 6, 2014 4:01 p.m.

    re truecoug1

    {However, just to help U out, here are a couple more articles for you to peruse at your leisure:

    "Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12": CBSSports
    "BYU in talks with Big 12": Salt Lake Tribune
    And then, my personal favorite, from your very own DallasNews: "Report: BYU officials had discussions with Big 12 about joining conference"}

    How exactly did those hypotheticals turn out?

    In Byu's case, where there is smoke... there are mirrors.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 3:58 p.m.

    @ Rose Bowl call yet?

    I'm not sure that's true. Utah had a 99% renewal rate on season tickets, again, this year. That doesn't sound like an apathetic fan base to me.

    As for your history, it's great. Congratulations, and I sincerely hope you enjoy all those memories (assuming you are old enough to remember them). But remember as of right now, BYU is the only team in this state with a past, Utah is the only one with a future,

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 6, 2014 3:53 p.m.

    FACTchequer
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Whose fault was it that the Sooners didn't have a capable backup QB prepared to step in. Injuries happen. It's part of the game.

    -----------

    No one said it isn't. But since Bradford was out, your one-point victory over Oklahoma looks a LOT less impressive.

    It's like the Cleveland Cavaliers saying in 1994 that they were a great team... cuz look, we just beat the Chicago Bulls. Ignorant of the fact that Jordan was no longer on the team at that point and Chicago went on to finish with a much less impressive record.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 6, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    rhappahannock
    Washington, DC

    Like how he said that BYU brings in the entire Salt Lake Market. How true!

    -----------

    Since you clearly don't understand what that means, I'll educate you a little here.

    Currently, the Big 12 does not have the SLC market. If BYU was added, they would deliver the SLC market to the Big 12. That is what your coach referred to.

    Sorry to burst your little bubble, but that remark had nothing whatsoever to do with Utah.

    Whether the SLC market follows BYU or Utah more closely has nothing at all to do with the Big 12.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    June 6, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    xam

    "Neither Oklahoma (8-5) or Oregon State (8-5) finished the season ranked."

    It's interesting when Utah fans cite rankings as the end-all-be-all measuring stick for whether BYU has beaten a worthy opponent, or not, but then act as though BYU's vast superiority over Utah in Top 25 finishes is "insignificant".

    Regardless of what other cherry-picked stats you come up with, it's obvious that a program that has 17 AP Top 25 finishes is vastly superior to a program that only has 5.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    June 6, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    I've been watching the BYU independence thing unfold since 2010. If you look at BYU actions, instead of BYU words, I think its apparent that intercollegiate athletics is not central and probably not significantly important to the overall mission of BYU. I think BYU Idaho and BYU Hawaii decided to terminate athletics because they were largely a distraction and a financial drain at those institutions. My opinion is that BYU Athletics in Provo has continued primarily because it is no longer a financial drain on the institution. If indeed the finances are the primary consideration, then moving back to the MWC won't work, and any move to a Power 5 conference would have to allow BYU Athletics to remain in the black financiallly as a stand alone organization. So, at this point in time, if finances are the biggest concern to BYU's decision-makers, independence in Football and other sports in the WCC may be the only viable option.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    I feel sorry that Bradford was injured, because I think BYU stood a very good chance of beating Oklahoma with Bradford, and with a healthy Bradford for the remainder of the season, BYU's win over Oklahoma would have been all the more significant.

    That said, injuries are part of the game, and using injuries as an excuse, especially in football, is lame.

    NOBODY felt sorry for BYU when Oklahoma State literally targeted Gary Shiede and knocked him out of the game in BYU's first bowl game (Fiesta Bowl 1974).

    NOBODY felt sorry for BYU when Michigan literally targeted Robbie Bosco and almost knocked him out of the game and NOBODY would have excused the loss and still awarded BYU the 1984 National Championship because BYU had lost their starting quarterback.

    NOBODY felt sorry for BYU when Texas A&M literally targeted Ty Detmer and gave him TWO separated shoulders in the 1990 Holiday Bowl.

    And, NOBODY felt sorry for 12-0 BYU when they lost their Doak Walker Award winning running back, Luke Staley, to a torn ACL at Mississippi State, a significant factor in BYU losing a probable undefeated 2001 season.

  • xam Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    DeepBlue,

    Neither Oklahoma (8-5) or Oregon State (8-5) finished the season ranked. BYU's 2009 season is exactly like every other season when the Cougars finished in the top 25 in that they don't really beat any teams of significance. When was the last time BYU be two teams in the same season that finished the year ranked?

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    GoRed

    When Utah "fans" fail to respond to BYU's list of "ancient" awards, it's proof positive that the Utes have absolutely no "history" to fight back with.

    As far as fanbases go, 2/3 of BYU's students come from outside of the state; 90% of Utah's students come from Utah, most from along the Wasatch Front.

    It's obvious that BYU's fan base nationally is huge compared to Utah, and stadium size is further proof that Utah's local fan base is much smaller than BYU's.

    How else do you explain the fact that BYU's stadium has seated 20,000 more fans than Utah's stadium since 1982?

    Despite all of the false claims by Utah fans, Chris Hill knows he doesn't have enough fans scrambling for tickets to waste millions expanding RES.

    What further proof do you need?

  • utesgoingdownthehill Salt Lake City , UT
    June 6, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    BYU is so irrelevant and they are not our rival anymore. But we will spend all our time commenting and analyzing BYU program everyday all day. We are not obsessed at all about Byu because we have new rivals like great Colorado who we never talk about.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "In your long post hyping the OU-BYU matchup, I couldn't help but notice you didn't mention that the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback was not available for half the game. OU was forced to use a freshman who had never taken a Division 1 snap."

    Whose fault was it that the Sooners didn't have a capable backup QB prepared to step in. Injuries happen. It's part of the game.

    Besides, BYU and Max Hall were out playing Oklahoma BEFORE Bradford was injured. The hit that knocked Sam out of the game was the third or fourth hard hit he'd already taken, proving that BYU's defense was neutralizing Bradford.

    As far as it being a "take out the quarterback" play, that's an absolute fabrication.

    Anybody who saw the play (and it was replayed numerous times throughout the game and in post-game sports shows), KNOWS that it was a legitimate, good clean hit. There was absolutely nothing "dirty" about the play. The game commentators never even questioned the hit, and they certainly would have made a huge deal out of it if it hadn't been a clean hit.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    When BYU "fans" start throwing out their ancient 1980's awards at us (back in the leather helmet days), then you know we've got them riled. Bottom line, the fan base Bronco is referring to is not so much a fan base as it is simply LDS Church members. And this may be news to him, but not all members of the LDS Church are BYU fans. There are many avid U of U fans who are devout member of the LDS Church.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    Deepblue "Oklahoma's starting QB was only the 2nd sophomore ever to win the Heisman Trophy."

    In your long post hyping the OU-BYU matchup, I couldn't help but notice you didn't mention that the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback was not available for half the game. OU was forced to use a freshman who had never taken a Division 1 snap.

    Beating OU wouldn't keep BYU out of the Big12, but the "take out the quarterback" play does not go over well in Sooner Land.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 6, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    Uteology

    "BYU got destroyed at home by 7-6 FSU, the same team that barley beat a D2 team home the week before."

    Yet, BYU finished in the Top 12, both polls, and won 11+ games, BETTER than all but two seasons in Utah history.

    It's laughable that Utah fans strain at gnats to find blemishes while completely ignoring the overall picture.

    You're ashamed to compare overall accomplishments, because overall accomplishments prove just how mediocre Utah has been for the vast majority of their 120 seasons.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 6, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    2fer

    "The difference is that Minnesota, Utah, and Duke play games that actually matter..."

    Games that matter for teams at the top of the P5 conferences.

    Unfortunately for U, games like Alabama versus Vanderbilt are largely ignored nationally, unless Vanderbilt happens to upset Alabama. Then, the game is talked about a lot on the sports shows, even though very few non-Alabama/Vanderbilt fans actually watched the game.

    The same goes for Utah. Games versus Stanford, USC, UCLA, and Oregon only draw national interest if Utah happens to upset one of those teams. Otherwise, they're largely ignored nationally.

    Utah's announced television schedule is a good indicator of that:

    Week 1 - Utah vs. Idaho St (PAC Networks)
    Week 2 - Utah vs. Fresno St (PAC Networks)
    Week 7 - Utah vs Oregon St (FOX Sports 1)

    Compare that to USC's:
    Week 1 - USC vs. Fresno St (FOX)
    Week 2 - USC @ Stanford (ABC)
    Week 3 - USC @ Boston Col (ABC/ESPN)

    Or BYU's:
    Week 1 - BYU @ UConn (ESPN)
    Week 2 - BYU @ Texas (FOX Sports 1)
    Week 3 - BYU vs. Houston (ESPN)

    It's quite obvious which teams the national networks really like, and which teams are largely ignored by the national networks.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    @Uteology "To me when USC jumps from 5 million viewers on ABC to around 500K on FS1 implies that FS1 has viewership problems not USC."

    The fact that Utah was only on major networks 5 times (including once again BYU) tells me that Utah has viewership problems, not the networks. It tells me that the major networks don't feel that Utah brings enough value to show their games.

    The fact that when the Utes WERE on the major networks, they had substantially smaller viewership than other games at the exact same time slot tells me that Utah has viewership problems, not the networks.

    The fact that BYU WAS on major networks a total of 9 times tells me that they are valued, much more so than Utah. It tells me that the major networks feel that BYU, not Utah, drives a majority of the Utah market.

    Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

    Go Cougars!

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    311ute

    "Ok, you beat Oklahoma 5 years ago but so did 4 other teams. When was the last signature BYU moment?"

    Your question is so typical of Utah fan thinking, that a brief moment or two, game or two, represent the overall picture.

    2009 was BYU's ELEVENTH 11+ win, Top 25 season, their THIRD such season in four years (2006, 2007, and 2009).

    Utah has only had TWO such seasons in their entire history (2004 and 2008).

    BYU has accomplished more overall AND more recently.

    So beat your chest about upsetting Stanford last season, if it helps you sleep at night, but in the end, the win was meaningless because you weren't capable of beating Washington State(6-7) to qualify for a bowl.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    @U-PAC "Again, Tom Holmoe talked to UT, not the Big 12."

    And again, all of the articles and quotes that I've posted refute that. Feel free to actually read them to find what you're looking for.

    You can believe that BYU is the worst school on earth, full of liars and hypocrites. You can believe that no conference would ever talk to BYU about joining them. You can believe whatever the heck you want. I simply wanted to set the facts straight that it's been well documented that BYU had discussions with the Big 12 about joining.

    Also, I would be very interested in seeing this quote by Tom Holmoe that he never spoke with Big 12 "officials". I KNOW that you wouldn't say something like that without having a source to back it up, so can you please find it for me and list the article it's in? Thanks, Mike!

    Go Cougars!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    @DeepBlue

    Oklahoma also beat ur/#25 Oklahoma St 27-0 and then #21 Stanford in their bowl game to finish #26/#29 in the final AP/Coaches polls.

    BYU finished 2009 destroying then #16 Oregon State(8-5) so thoroughly, 40-22, that it knocked the Beavers out of the final rankings.

    -----------

    BYU got destroyed at home by 7-6 FSU, the same team that barley beat a D2 team home the week before.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    truecoug1
    Provo, UT

    @Uteology

    Not sure what point you're trying to make...

    BYU's viewership numbers are large because they are a valued product by the major networks and so have many games on these networks.

    ---------

    Wrong! BYU vs Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas is a valued product on ESPN/ABC. BYU vs Middle Tennessee, Virgina, GT, Houston is not on ESPNU.

    The point is simple, ESPN more viewers over FS1 not BYU over Utah. BYU numbers are large because they played on ESPN, Utah/Utah State/Boise State/any other team would have had similar numbers had they done so.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 6, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    I'm not going to get in any debates, but it would be amazing to have both the PAC12 and Big 12 in the state of Utah.

    One thing from the article that bugs me though. If WVU needs a travel partner, take Cincy. We live in the information, hi tech age. Does it honestly matter if BYU is a few more miles away? The one Big 12 league official even said that BYU was "the best outside of the 65". I don't know about anyone else but for income and competitive purposes wouldn't you want the best regardless of location? I think a future in the Big 12 is possible but BYU will have to concede just about everything but Sunday play...not sure it will ever happen.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 6, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    U-PAC

    Despite your frantic and emotional put downs and weak straw men, BYU's exclusive contract with ESPN PROVES that BYU is a national brand.

    Do you honestly think that the world-wide leader would sign an exclusive contract and arrange nationally televised BYU games, like BYU's games with Oklahoma and TCU in Dallas Cowboys stadium, if BYU wasn't a national brand?

    ESPN has loved the BYU football program since their first BYU broadcast, which, incidentally was ESPN's very first nationally televised college football game, the BYU-Pittsburgh game that kicked off BYU's 1984 national championship run.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    @ Steven S Jarvis

    Likewise, nobody cares where BYU is playing, except their fan base. The difference is that Minnesota, Utah, and Duke play games that actually matter and effect the standings in P5 conferences, which means that people pay attention. BYU plays 12 exhibitions games every season. Also, Duke was the wrong team to use. The Blue Devils played in the ACC title game last season and they were getting a TON of attention from the national media.

    OU isn't going anywhere without OSU, and I would be surprised to see the PAC-12 take Baylor since they denied the Bears during the last round of expansion. In short, your expansion idea is never going to happen.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    OK, cougs take a deep breath, sit down, and then read the story. Not gonna happen. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    truecoug1
    Provo, UT

    Not sure why Bronco's comments regarding owning the SLC and Utah markets are throwing some Ute "fans" on here into a tissy fit. What did he say that wasn't true?

    2013 TV Numbers (all info from SportsMediaWatch):

    BYU Total Viewership: 13.9 million
    Utah Total Viewership: 3.3 million

    -------------

    BYU had 9 games on national TV: 299 ESPNU, 1.29 E2, 1.26 E2, 313 EU, 358 EU, 205 ENews, 1.97 ESPN, 2.18 ESPN, 2.29 NBC

    Utah had 5 games: 311 FS1, 396 FS1, 1.26 ESPN2, 596 FS1, 747 FS1

    In your head that proves BYU dominates the Salt Lake market? You might want to rethink your logic. To me when USC jumps from 5 million viewers on ABC to around 500K on FS1 implies that FS1 has viewership problems not USC.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 6, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    311ute

    "Ok, you beat Oklahoma 5 years ago but so did 4 other teams."

    It just shows your deep-seated bias that you're so quick to dismiss 2009.

    In 2009, #12/#12 BYU(11-2) opened the season beating then #3 Oklahoma in what was essentially a home game for Oklahoma in the Dallas Cowboys stadium in a nationally televised game.

    Oklahoma had played in the BCS championship game in 2008, losing to Florida 14-24. Oklahoma's starting QB was only the 2nd sophomore ever to win the Heisman Trophy and their roster included 3 of the first 4 players chosen in the 2009 NFL draft.

    As you said, Oklahoma lost 5 games in 2009, all to ranked teams, 4 of them to Top 19 teams by a total of 12 points:

    #12/#12 BYU 13-14
    #19/#19 Miami 20-21
    #2/#2 Texas 13-16
    #14/#14 Nebraska 3-10
    #21/#23 Texas Tech 13-41

    Oklahoma also beat ur/#25 Oklahoma St 27-0 and then #21 Stanford in their bowl game to finish #26/#29 in the final AP/Coaches polls.

    BYU finished 2009 destroying then #16 Oregon State(8-5) so thoroughly, 40-22, that it knocked the Beavers out of the final rankings.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    @Uteology

    Not sure what point you're trying to make.

    First, the report is showing the TV ratings for all of the major networks. It does not include the PAC 12 networks nor does it include byuTV. Since the P12 networks aren't carried by DirectTV, as well as other major carriers, I highly doubt that would change Utah's viewership numbers significantly. BYU's viewership numbers are large because they are a valued product by the major networks and so have many games on these networks.

    Second, what did I say that wasn't true? According to the report, BYU had 13.9 million viewers last year. Utah had 3.3. Even IF P12 networks were included, I'm guessing that Utah's number MAYBE jumps to 4 million.

    Third, you helped to prove my point. The Oregon/Washington match-up on FS1 was on a Saturday at 4PM and had 1 million more viewers than the Oregon/Utah match-up on FS1 held on a Saturday at 4PM. Utah does not bring many eyeballs to the table. BYU does, which is why it can be argued that BYU has a larger share of the SLC market than Utah.

    Go Cougars!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 6, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    UPAC

    "Duane Busby's exploits have certainly been just the kind of valuable "exposure" that Wiscougarfan boasts of. Another top headline from BYU's "partner," cough-cough, the "worldwide leader" ESPN."

    Please don't put words in my mouth. I never boasted of anything. I listed things that BYU wants, exposure being one of them. I believe you're the one that brought that up in the first place. As for ESPN broadcasting sockgate, that is another lie you just made up. Local media ran stories on Busby and possible infractions, ESPN did not (although they may have reported that utah media outlets were talking about it).

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    @U-PAC "A "Cougar Tracks" article holds no credence in the world of reality. Please show me one crumb of "legit" evidence that BYU ever talked to the Big 12. It never happened sir. It is that simple."

    And with that U just lost any shred of credibility I might have been willing to give you. The quote I mentioned from the Cougar Tracks article comes from Tom Holmoe himself in an interview he had given to the media. Greg Wrubell posted the audio as part of the article.

    So unless you're saying that Tom Holmoe flat out LIED about speaking with the Big 12, then U just got refuted, sir.

    However, just to help U out, here are a couple more articles for you to peruse at your leisure:

    "Report: BYU in discussions with Big 12": CBSSports
    "BYU in talks with Big 12": Salt Lake Tribune
    And then, my personal favorite, from your very own DallasNews: "Report: BYU officials had discussions with Big 12 about joining conference"

    Thanks for playing.

    Go Cougars!

  • Juggernaut Cedar Hills, UT
    June 6, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    @ekute

    I couldn't agree more.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    Funniest part about this whole comment section has been watching Utah "fans" come on to a BYU article stomping their feet and saying "No, Bronco, we OWN the Salt Lake market, it's ours, its OURS, I tell you!" Then they justify that by saying "I see PAC 12 stickers around here all the time!", or "Utah's apparel sales are amazing!"

    Fun Fact: In 2013, Utah's game against BYU (Utah's highest rated game of the year at 1.26 million viewers, a late evening Saturday night on ESPN2) had almost as many viewers COMBINED as Utah's games against UCLA (featured on on a Thursday night on FS1, a channel that reaches almost as many homes (90 million) as ESPN; 590K viewers) and Oregon (early evening Saturday game, also on FS1; 749K viewers).

    And yet U really think Utah owns the Salt Lake market? I will concede that there is no way to know if there are more BYU fans in SLC than Utah fans. However, we DO know that BYU dominates the TV ratings for all schools here in Utah, and it's not even close.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    truecoug1
    Provo, UT

    Not sure why Bronco's comments regarding owning the SLC and Utah markets are throwing some Ute "fans" on here into a tissy fit. What did he say that wasn't true?

    2013 TV Numbers (all info from SportsMediaWatch):

    BYU Total Viewership: 13.9 million
    Utah Total Viewership: 3.3 million

    BYU had more than 4 TIMES the viewership that Utah did. Utah's highest rated TV game last year? BYU, with 1.26 million viewers (more than 1/3 of Utah's total viewership).

    Meanwhile, the BYU/Utah game was the 6th highest viewed game for BYU (behind Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas (even after the 1.5 hour delay), BSU, and Washington in the bowl game).

    ----------

    BYU did no such thing. That data shows that ESPN/CBS/ABC has more viewers then FS1/ESPNU. That's not breaking news.

    In fact, Utah State vs Fresno on CBS had equivalent viewership (1.7M) of Oregon vs Washington (1.77M) on. Oregon on FS1 has around 1M viewers same team on ESPN/ABC has around 4 million viewers.

    What's BYU's numbers on BYU-Tv?

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 6, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    U-PAC

    You're just jealous that Utah doesn't have a similar list of accomplishments, but since you were so "enlightened" by Rockwell's list, here a couple more lists you might enjoy:

    All-time 11+ win seasons
    BYU - 11
    Utah - 2

    2009 BYU 11-2
    2008 Utah 13-0
    2007 BYU 11-2
    2006 BYU 11-2
    2004 Utah 13-0
    2001 BYU 12-2
    1996 BYU 14-1
    1985 BYU 11-3
    1984 BYU 13-0
    1983 BYU 11-1
    1981 BYU 11-2
    1980 BYU 12-1
    1979 BYU 11-1

    ------------

    AP/Coaches Football Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17/18
    Utah 5/7

    2011 BYU UR/25
    2010 Utah UR/23
    2009 BYU 12/12, Utah 18/18
    2008 BYU 25/21, Utah 2/4
    2007 BYU 14/15
    2006 BYU 16/15
    2004 Utah 4/5
    2003 Utah 21/21
    2001 BYU 25/24
    1996 BYU 5/5
    1994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/8
    1991 BYU 23/23
    1990 BYU 22/17
    1989 BYU 22/18
    1985 BYU 16/17
    1984 BYU 1/1 National Champions
    1983 BYU 7/7
    1981 BYU 13/11
    1980 BYU 12/12
    1979 BYU 13/12
    1977 BYU 20/16
    1964 Utah UR/14

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan

    4. Spreading the BYU mission. Yes BYU wants others to know about BYU. That's where exposure comes in. BYU is watched in football and basketball by significantly more viewers as independents than they ever were in the MWC (and way more than Utah is getting as members of the PAC12). This exposure is helping in recruiting on a national instead of regional scale.

    -----------

    From what I've seen on Scouts and Rivals your football recruiting is getting worse not better as an independent. As far as basketball, most of the players are from BYU's JV team from Lone Peak High.

    Utah, Woyming, SDSU, etc. fans know about BYU. So do the PAC 12 refs that got pelted with garbage after yet another loss to Utah last year. Just not sure if that's the exposure BYU wants.

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    June 6, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    @ Rockwell

    My point is what has BYU done lately? Sure you have a national championship trophy and a heisman, but so does Army and Navy. I love how BYU fans beat their chests about accomplishments that were 30 years ago!! I am not here to say that Utah has a better history, that's a losing argument. BYU fans like yourself have this delusion of national relevance because you won a national title 30 years ago. Seriously, when was the last big time BYU football game? I can't think of one. Sure, you beat TX last year but so did 4 other teams including an even bigger beat down by ole miss one week later. Ok, you beat Oklahoma 5 years ago but so did 4 other teams. When was the last signature BYU moment? It was 30 years ago!!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    @U-PAC "Tom Holmoe talked to UT, not the Big 12."

    From a D News article "BYU hasn't been invited to the Big 12 'process is ongoing': "Holmoe said the Big 12 has been good to BYU and has not been dropping things out to the media. "We've learned things about them and they've learned things about us and that's a good thing.""

    From the Cougar Tracks article I mentioned before: Tom Holmoe: "We didn't get too far down the road (with the Big 12); we were told BY THE BIG 12 (emphasis added) that we were a team they were interested in, but we didn't even have discussions about television.""

    I think I'll stick with Tom Holmoe on this one.

    "Now, I am not that Michael Romney guy posting on here."

    Sure, I believe you. Just like I believed you when you said the Big 12 never talked to BYU and had zero interest in BYU (roll my eyes).

    Go Cougars!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 6, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    Obviously, even bronco doesn't like that independence thing...But he'll be selling it, come media day.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 6, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    Uteology

    "All I see is "PAC-12 stickers",..."

    That's like never noticing a particular make/model of car on the road until you buy one, then suddenly you see that car everywhere.

    There's a reason why BYU was able to sign an exclusive contract with ESPN, and why Utah would never have been able to negotiate such a deal by themselves.

    BYU is a national brand.
    Utah is a local brand.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    June 6, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    u-pac

    "What conference will entertain the thought of taking BYU, EVER?"

    Stay tuned - "EVER" or "NEVER" is a long time

    It could very well be that BYU will have been invited to the playoffs and a P5 conference long before the Utes play in their first Rose Bowl.

    What undeniable proof do you have, other than your own biased opinion, that that won't be the case?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    @GoRed

    So, Bronco, you claim to have the entire Salt Lake market. Where is your proof? As you drive around most areas of the valley, you see mostly University of Utah flags in neighborhoods displayed as well as U of U decals on cars

    ------------

    Absolutely, I was going to say the same. All I see is "PAC-12 stickers", that some BYU "fans" are so hung up on, all over Salt Lake City. That could only imply that BYU dominates the market?

    While BYU still has a big following, this isn't the 80s where it once owned the market.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 6, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    311ute

    Nice try, but the bottom line is this:

    There are two iconic trophies representing ultimate team and individual accomplishments in major college football, the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy and the Heisman Trophy.

    Both trophies are displayed proudly in BYU's Legacy Sports Hall of Fame.
    Utah has never even come close to winning either trophy.

    You concentrate on "recent" accomplishments, ONLY because U have ABSOLUTELY NO historic accomplishments.

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    Top 25, 11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 11
    Utah 2

    National College Football Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6
    Utah 0

    National Individual Award Winners (Davey O'Brien, Sammy Baugh, Outland, etc.)
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    WAC/MWC/PAC Championships
    BYU 23
    Utah 6

    btw, winning the BYU-Utah rivalry game is only significant for local bragging rights; it's meaningless on a national scale.

    btw2, Bronco has more Top 25, 11+ win seasons during his 9-year tenure at BYU, than Utah does in their entire history. On a national scale, the Utes are nothing but a two-hit wonder, and even your best, was only 2nd best.

  • xam Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    @Wiscougarfan, "No, I won't read at 329 because I have a life"

    Yet here you are going back and forth with multiple Utah fans attempting to prove your points. You have time for debate but no time for insights on your own fan base.

    @Wiscougarfan "based on the number of comments in Utah vs. BYU articles I seriously doubt you have nearly as many trollers on your articles as we (BYU) do"

    There you have it, proof that all is well in Zion. That's the funniest post of the day. Thanks for the laugh.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 6, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    RE: 311ute

    I was simply listing some ideas on "what we play for", I wasn't making any claims about how successful we are/were. But FWIW I loved watching us stomp all over Texas last year, I liked watching us bowling, Doak Walker was in 2001, #5 draft pick was last year. It's good to be a cougar.

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    June 6, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    Cont.

    4) Exposure, ok thats cool. But you are not getting the exposure you think you are. I have lived outside of Utah for 5 years now and I never see BYU being discussed on any network. Yes, you have 2-3 games on ESPN but the others are on ESPN 3 or BYU TV. ESPN/ESPN2 broadcasts up to 12 games a week, don't think your special for securing one of those spots. BYU's exposure is not as large as you think it is.

    5) Last year BYU had 14 players in the NFL, tied with fellow football powerhouses Memphis, Northern Illinois, and Western Michigan. Utah had 33, tied with Auburn and Arizona St.

    6) When's the last time yo beat Utah? 5 years ago. When is the last time you beat Notre Dame? 10 years ago! When does BYU play Notre Dame again? I have no idea.

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    June 6, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    @Wiscougar fan

    1) You speak of high profile games but what happened last year when BYU stomped Texas? It was all about the fall of Texas the firing of the coordinator, it was not about BYU. Also, when is the last time you beat Notre Dame and Wisconsin and when do you play them again?

    2) Go bowling - Of course this is a goal but does it really matter when you don't make it to a big bowl? When is the last time BYU played in a big bowl? 84? Going to a mid to lower level bowl is not an accomplishment. Yes, Utah hasn't gone bowling the last two years but their goal is to win the division and play for a conference championship, not to go to a mid level bowl.

    3) Significant hardware? When's the last time BYU had any significant hardware? 84?

    Cont.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 6, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    RE: xam

    "My guess is that you will not read all 329 because you don't want know the truth."

    No, I won't read at 329 because I have a life. I did read several as I noted earlier and they were almost all in response to BYU haters stirring the pot. They weren't "venomous". The truth is most fans from both BYU and Utah are quite civil but there are a few trolls (from both schools) that aren't. I guess I'll continue living in the "all is well in Zion" (Zion is Wisconsin, right?) because I'm not willing to start reading Utah articles just to prove a point. However, based on the number of comments in Utah vs. BYU articles I seriously doubt you have nearly as many trollers on your articles as we (BYU) do.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    upac

    "what conference will entertain the thought of taking BYU, EVER?"

    It's laughable that you, chris b, michael romney, and all of your other crimson-clad, BYU-hating buddies are so totally obsessed with a program that you "claim" nobody else in whole wide world is even remotely interested in.

    The truth is, the only thing constant is change. What may seem completely out of the realm of possibilities today, could be the next big change.

    Any fan claiming that something will "NEVER" happen, is only voicing their own biased opinion of what they desperately hope will never happen.

    If you truly didn't have any interest in BYU, you wouldn't be spamming every BYU-related article and dragging a discussion of BYU into every Utah article.

    Don't kid yourself, the rabid BYU is your obsession.

    Cheers!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    @GoRed "To BYU fans in general, Bronco's claim to own the entire Salt Lake market"

    Please show me where Bronco said "We OWN the entire Salt Lake market". The ONLY thing he said is that they "have the entire Utah and Salt Lake markets as well as a national following." I took that to mean they would bring the Utah and Salt Lake TV markets to the Big 12, as well as a national following. Utah "fans" are looking really insecure when they put words in Bronco's mouth and take it as a personal insult to them.

    Also, your Arizona/ASU analogy is a poor one, since both of those schools have similar TV ratings and similar followings. BYU dominates the TV ratings compared to Utah.

    Now you're right, there's no way of knowing how many of the viewers of the BYU and Utah football games are local or not. But BYU having 4 times as many viewers as Utah says a LOT about the Cougars' marketing and standing in the state.

    Go Cougars!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    Mark321 "what teams are left in non power conferences you have to admit BYU may be the best or top 3 out there."

    Your comment matches a quote in the Stateman article from a Big12 source “Outside of the 65, they could be the best program out there.”

    The flaw in your theory is that the Big12 would take the next best team (i.e. BYU). The first consideration is geography. The Big12 has said they would expand east or west, but not both.

    Think of this like an NBA draft. Do you take "best available" or "best available for your need"? The Big12 has a big need to find partners in the East for West Virginia, even if that means passing over "the best outside of the 65".

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 6, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    cont.

    4. Spreading the BYU mission. Yes BYU wants others to know about BYU. That's where exposure comes in. BYU is watched in football and basketball by significantly more viewers as independents than they ever were in the MWC (and way more than Utah is getting as members of the PAC12). This exposure is helping in recruiting on a national instead of regional scale.

    5. Seeing players go on to have success at the next level. BYU doesn't done a great job at this as independents but we hope that Ziggy and KVN got the ball rolling.

    6. Beating Utah (or our other almost rivals in Boise State and Notre Dame). I might be alone in this but I really like playing the rivalry games and have hated losing these last few years.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 6, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    RE: U-PAC

    "However, I think my great Y fan buddies thirst to play for a conference championship of any sort."

    Nuts, I had hoped to join the Big 12, but they don't even play a conference championship, so I guess that would be a step down, huh UPAC? Your last post is interesting because you claim that "BYU is playing football for nothing now, other than exposure." I am curious what your team is playing for. I had always thought there was a lot more to college football than "exposure," although I am grateful BYU is getting plenty of that as an independent. Here are a few things I think BYU is playing for...

    1. To win games. And especially high profile games against the likes of Notre Dame, Texas, and Wisconsin. There isn't much better than winning games against great programs (see 1991 Miami, 2010ish Oklahoma, etc.).

    2. To go bowling, preferably in a great bowl. BYU has been bowling every year as an independent and they have played in some great bowl games.

    3. Significant hardware. Trophies for the team and individual are great. They come from having great players, coaches, and winning important games.

    cont.

  • xam Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    Wisconsin Cougar Fan,

    Sorry, 329 not 350, I knew it was somewhere in that neighborhood. My apologies.

    As pointed out, you did not read all 329 comments. Why don't you go back read all 329 and then tell me that Y fans are less venomous than Utah fans as Linus insinuates. My guess is that you will not read all 329 because you don't want know the truth. You can either keep living in the "All is well in Zion" world or you can admit that Y fans are no different than U fans in the venom department. The proof is in ALL 329 comments. Happy reading

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    To BYU fans in general, Bronco's claim to own the entire Salt Lake market would be like Arizona U. publishing in the state newspapers that they own the entire Phoenix market. Don't you think the Arizona State fans (ASU is obviously based in the Phoenix area) would be just a little bit upset by this? Besides the statement being absolutely false, the very idea to go to your former rivals's neighborhood and claim to have all of their fan base supporting them is incomprehensible.

    As far as the reference to Nielsen Ratings, I'd like to see them, specifically in the Salt Lake Market. As far as the 13.3 million claim, where does that refer to? All of the inter-mountain area? All of the U.S.? Either way, it couldn't refer to just the 1 million plus people living in Salt Lake, as those numbers obviously don't add up. Remember, this argument is about Bronco's statement of owning the Salt Lake market.

    I guess if you can't beat us on the field, you try to find other ways to take jabs at us.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    @U-PAC "Don't believe me, just find any quote from anyone that states that BYU ever talked to the Big 12. It never happened."

    From Cougar Tracks: "BYU AD Holmoe on Big East: "There were some uncertainties"", we find this gem from Tom Holmoe (it's also found in other articles: "We didn't get too far down the road (with the Big 12); we were told by the Big 12 that we were a team they were interested in, but we didn't even have discussions about television.""

    Huh...so not only did Tom talk with the Big 12, BYU was told that they were a team the Big 12 was interested in.

    Kind of blows your "The Big 12 has NEVER had any interest in BYU" theory out of the water.

    By the way, I think it's cute that U are having a conversation with yourself (U-PAC/Michael Romney). Keep it up, it's very entertaining!

    "Cheers"!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 6, 2014 10:42 a.m.

    Michael Romney

    Quite frankly, you don't have a clue what actually went on behind scenes in discussions between BYU, Holmoe and the Big 12. You're only guessing, based on tidbits of information that have been published and your owned biased, BYU-hating opinion.

    U-PAC

    "There is zero talk about BYU here in Texas, never has been, other than BYU beating Texas last year and how UT is gonna give the Y some "payback" this September......which they will beat BYU into submission."

    Based on what?

    BYU beating Texas is not exactly something new. Lifetime, BYU is 3-1 versus the Longhorns, with Texas's only win in the short series, a narrow 1-point win in 2012:

    2013 @BYU 40 Texas 21
    2012 BYU 16 @Texas 17
    1988 @BYU 47 Texas 6
    1987 BYU 22 @Texas 16

    Based on the contempt many of the other schools have for Texas, I should think that they would be pleased with beat down the Cougars laid on the Longhorns.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 6, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    RE: xam

    "Hey Linus go check out the Des News story about the Utes loss toe St. Mary's in basketball that blew up with nearly 350 comments mostly from venom filled BYU fans."

    I only read about Utah if it's part of a BYU article so I had never seen this, so I went and checked it out. 1) 329 is not "nearly 350", it's nearly 330, nice rounding error, 2) the first 19 comments are from Ute fans/BYU haters stirring the pot, 3) you're right, more than half of the comments were from BYU fans but "venom" is a bit of an exaggeration. I just skimmed but it looks like nearly all (at least 90%) of the comments were in response to the first page of comments where Ute fans were demeaning BYU and the WCC.

    Let's be honest here. There is only one college sports program in Utah that is worth reading or commenting about, and it's BYU.

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    GoRed
    WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    "So, Bronco, you claim to have the entire Salt Lake market. Where is your proof?"

    You are proof. By you posting on a BYU article shows that you are interested in BYU sports one way or the other.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    June 6, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    @Chris B

    I would honestly like to know who you do consider your rival. If it's not BYU, you don't really have a single viable candidate. What PAC-12 school (meaning players or fans) would see any benefit in promoting a "rivalry" with the Utes? Even Washington State and Colorado fans would politely decline.

    And what's with the Ute fan hypocrisy? Back when you had your two BCS wins, the mantra was "See? Mid-Majors deserve a shot at the big boys! Equal opportunity for all!" You were waving the flag for the have-nots, and admittely doing a great job of it.

    Now it's "Ho ho; silly BYU. The little people of Provo think they are important enough to mingle with giants like us, USC, Stanford and UCLA. How amusing. Can someone fetch me a goblet of something expensive?"

    Is it better to be in a conference than not? Of course. But the sneering, compared to your tune you were singing before the PAC-12 came calling, is a little disingenuous. Consistency would require that, even if you dislike BYU, you would support their inclusion in the national picture.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    @MyPerspective ""Mendenhall said. "We have the entire Salt Lake City and Utah market..."

    Good grief, this absolutely smacks of desperation."

    Again, why does this statement bug Utah "fans"? What did he say that wasn't true?

    Two points: First, there's no way to prove or disprove his statement without surveying everyone in the Utah and Salt Lake markets to find out who they cheer for.

    And second, I'm not even sure that's what he was referring to. I think he was simply stating that BYU is part of, and would bring, the SLC and Utah TV markets, which is true. It is ALSO true that BYU drives the market here and brings a lot more eyeballs than Utah.

    I've already posted the TV numbers for BYU (13.9 millions viewers) and Utah (3.3 million viewers) from last year and it's not even close. So why does that statement bug you?

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    June 6, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    @ U-Pac

    I'm well aware that the Big 12 is content (at least right now) to stay at 10 teams. I think your right to call out Michael Romney about BYU receiving an invite. I don't believe they have, so in that sense your right. Will they ever receive an invite? I don't know we'll see, but to say they never will is going a little over board. You may be right but if the Big 12 is getting left out of the playoff picture because the other conferences are having championships than the big 12 may expand to 12 and with what teams are left in non ower conferences you have to admit BYU may be the best or top 3 out there. I don't think the big 12 will succeed poaching teams from other power conferences. We'll just have to wait and see.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    June 6, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    Gee, once the coach changes position, the BYU fans suddenly find independence not so keen. Participation in a conference, with established recurring matchups adds interest and excitement to a football schedule. Competing for a conference championship is more entertaining than just winning games, hoping to get to a bowl game.

  • xam Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    @Linus "The reason Bronco can claim the Salt Lake market is that so-called Ute fans are so venom filled that they have a greater interest in BYU game outcomes than they do in Ute losses"

    Hey Linus go check out the Des News story about the Utes loss toe St. Mary's in basketball that blew up with nearly 350 comments mostly from venom filled BYU fans.

    Pot meet Linus

  • xam Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    Here's one Ute fan that hopes BYU gets an invite to the BIG12. Go Bronco, go Tom

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    "Mendenhall said. "We have the entire Salt Lake City and Utah market..."

    Good grief, this absolutely smacks of desperation. Statements like this serve well in making byu (since Mendenahll was speaking on behalf of byu) look foolish. Why stop there? Why not just say that the entire universe follows byu sports.

    I have to wonder if Mendenhall was given the green light to speak on behalf of byu. Who's driving the boat at byu anyway?

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    June 6, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    @ Michael Romney and U-PAC

    Your explanation is not good enough. Again it's just opinionated commentary. I want website sources and unfortunately many websites are opinionated commentary much like your comments. A website that has quotes from leading Big 12 officials or from BYU will carry a lot of weight in favor of your argument. Don't make me wait too long. You sound very confident that you have sources so it shouldn't be that big of a deal. Right?

  • sg newhall, CA
    June 6, 2014 9:49 a.m.

    Unfortunately it's not going to happen. BYU is a Mormon school and I really don't think the ACC, SEC or Big 12, behind closed doors, really think highly of Mormons, add the fact that we don't play on Sunday about says it all. In retrospect, BYU should never have gone independent in football. Looking at next season's schedule, it's really an embarrassment. We play maybe, two viable powers and the rest are scraps. Even if the team has an undefeated team, I think the chances are remote that it would be playing for the national championship. Oh well, at least BYU isn't the constant quasi-doormat like the Utes in the PAC-12.

  • lixircat Indianapolis, IN
    June 6, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    A little while ago I was playing with the Sagarin rankings in Excel (I know. I'm a huge nerd who loves numbers). When you take the Sagarin rankings for all teams since 1998, average them, then sort them low to high, a few interesting things pop out. First, it becomes obvious that Boise State belongs in a major conference. They came in 17th with an average ranking of 31. TCU and Utah proved they deserved the invites with average rankings of 37 and 39 respectively. BYU came in at 35th with an average ranking of 40. BYU has an average ranking better than all but 5 schools in the PAC12, BIG10, and ACC. 7 teams in the BIG12 have a better ranking than 40. The next non P5 schools are Fresno and Air Force up in the 60's. Kansas, Vandy, Baylor, UConn, Indiana, and Duke are not in the top 65, some aren't even close. We'll forgive MOST of those schools for their basketball excellence.
    With BYU sitting right in the middle of all the P5 schools rankings, it's absurd to say BYU doesn't belong, unless you're biased by something other than rankings, attendance, and TV ratings.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    June 6, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    @Linus - good point. Here in the local market they did some research, and more NC State fans watch UNC football hoping to see UNC loose, then do NC State Fans watch their own team. In this case, people are watching not to see a team win, but hopefully loose. I think the same could be said for Duke.... a lot of people watch Duke games hoping to see the team loose.

    Back on topic... I wold love to see BYU rejoin a conference. This being independent makes for some really meaningless games.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    June 6, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    I am surprised by his comments now that it is probably a moot point. Where were these statements a few years ago when I think there was more of an opportunity for a big-12 deal?

    Utah was smart and took the deal offered by the PAC-12. Yes, it was not so good in year number one but is so sweet now.

    Go Utes!

  • spokaloo White Salmon, WA
    June 6, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    "BYU is not our rival anymore"

    I will believe that when Ute fans don't flock to BYU articles or rush the field in wild jubilation after beating BYU.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    @U-PAC

    Um, "myopic"? "Me, myself, and I"? Where did Bronco say "I'm the most amazing coach in the history of the world", or, "My philosophies are the best, no one can question them"? I don't recall seeing any of that.

    What he DID say was that he feels like they win enough (BYU's one of a handful of programs to have gone to a bowl game in every year since 2005...I believe Bronco is also top 30 in career active winning percentage), that they own the Utah and SLC markets (which is true, as I showed below), that they have a national fan base, and a great brand. He felt that they would bring great value to the Big XII and would love to be part of that conference.

    Not sure how any of what he said can be construed as arrogant or self-serving. He knows that being in a P5 conference is critical for BYU and he's making his case. Hats off to him for doing it.

    Go Cougars!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    Bluto "BYU should still pull out all the stops to get into the Big-12."
    Isn't there cautionary fable about putting all your eggs in one basket? The last line in the article in the statesman says it best “They should knock on every door possible.”

    I get that the Big12 is popular with Cougar fans after they were snubbed by the PAC. But BYU should still be knocking on the PAC's door... and the B1G, and the ACC, and the SEC.

  • Michael Romney Salt Lake, UT
    June 6, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    Mark321,

    Yes Holmoe says they never received an invite - but that's not the same as Holmoe saying "we never had the chance to join the Big 12"

    The Big 12 would have worked around the sunday issue - or they never would have even engaged in talks with byu. Everyone knows byu wont budge on Sunday and yet the Big 12 still engaged in talks, showing they were open to working a deal out.

    Holmoe is being disingenuous and quite frankly only insults the intelligence of sports fans by saying there wasn't an invite when he should be stating whether he could have made an invite happen or not. If he had played nice and not made demands an official invite likely would have come. If you're really buying the "we never got an invite" which is just tricky wording, I feel sorry for you.

    Cheers!

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    June 6, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    I'd love to have the powers of the Flash, but, it probably won't happen.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    June 6, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    I'll make this painfully simple. Byu will never get an invite to the B12 for geographic reasons.

    The B12 wasn't too upset to see Nebraska & Colorado go. Why then would they invite byu who is further away?

    If the B12 wants Television markets; they should add SMU and monopolize the Dallas market.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    June 6, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    Re: GO RED,

    The reason Bronco can claim the Salt Lake market is that so-called Ute fans are so venom filled that they have a greater interest in BYU game outcomes than they do in Ute losses.

  • SEC Rules Seminole, FL
    June 6, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    You Ute fans have enough to worry about. You are more worried about BYU not succeeding than your own impending doom. There is more than a very good chance that you won't go bowling again this year. Three years in a row, and all the collateral damage that could follow. Worry and comment about that.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 6, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    Not sure why Bronco's comments regarding owning the SLC and Utah markets are throwing some Ute "fans" on here into a tissy fit. What did he say that wasn't true?

    2013 TV Numbers (all info from SportsMediaWatch):

    BYU Total Viewership: 13.9 million
    Utah Total Viewership: 3.3 million

    BYU had more than 4 TIMES the viewership that Utah did. Utah's highest rated TV game last year? BYU, with 1.26 million viewers (more than 1/3 of Utah's total viewership).

    Meanwhile, the BYU/Utah game was the 6th highest viewed game for BYU (behind Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas (even after the 1.5 hour delay), BSU, and Washington in the bowl game).

    So you can argue all you want about apparel sales, flags/decals on cars, etc, but when it comes to owning the TV markets, BYU definitely takes the cake.

    Go Cougars!

  • Kaladin Northern, CO
    June 6, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    @mocoregon - I'm sorry you weren't accepted to BYU. Did you know it's a lot harder to get into BYU if you live in Utah than if you don't? Did you know that Utah kids have to have a higher GPA and ACT than kids from outside Utah? Suggestion - add some sugar to your lemons - lemonade is great in the summer.
    @U-PAC - I believe you on this one. I don't know where the majority of U fans got this idea that BYU was offered a spot in the Big12 but turned it down because of TV contracts. Didn't happen

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 6, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    I'm glad to see Mendenhall out there promoting his team. I don't think there's much chance of an invitation coming, but you have to go for it. I've supported independence from day one-it's definitely better than the MWC-but competing in the Big 12 would definitely be a step up, and one that makes a lot of sense for both sides.

    I love the haters who are questioning BYU's domination of the SLC and Utah markets. If Nielsen ratings weren't enough you could try perusing these discussion boards to see which team people care about. Utah fans read and post more about BYU than they do their own team. The prove is in the pudding. Thanks for "moving on." Go Cougs!

  • mocoregon sherwood, OR
    June 6, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    BYU Football, is now where it is at because it never learned, Hogs get slaughtered pigs get fat. BYU was so full of itself after its contract with ESPN that it thought it was Texas. Each year, there will be fewer and fewer nonUtahians who care less and less about it because frankly, its' your school now and look what you have done. BYU has turned itself into UofU at Provo. Look at the numbers. The LDS church spends 100s of millions on the Utah Kids for High School Seminary,and institute. Shuns the nonUtah kids from attending BYU, gives Utah Kids more than their percentage share of seats at BYU all the while telling the rest of us, go to local schools we have institutes. There are more kids a Utah Valley's institute program the all the institute programs in the NW. Or go to BYU Idaho, which is ranked at the bottom of the bottom. BYU sadly, your being treated this way because of what you have become.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    June 6, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    @ Ironman - Bronco didn't say it was about money FOR BYU. He said it was about money for the BIG12 - BYU would generate a lot of revenue for the conference.
    @UPAC - keep dreaming, BYU athletics won't go away unless all sports move to Sunday which can't happen because of the NFL. Also, a "me myself and I complex" REALLY???!!! Do you think other universities have not tried to sell themselves the same way - do you think the U went to the PAC10 saying, man all the other universities are so great, I mean, look at BYU. No!!! They talked about 2004 until they were red in the face.
    @ChrisB - glad to know you still love your "non-rival" so much still
    @JeffUte - LOL I've lived in Virginia and nobody ever said a word about the U. The only reason people say anything about them to you is because they know you are a U fan. I live in Colorado and the only time the U gets mentioned is when Colorado plays them. This is PAC12 country and NOBODY cares about U

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    June 6, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    @ Michael Romney

    What sources do you have that BYU turned down an invite to the Big 12? I surely would like to know. Holmoe says that they never received an invite. Opinionated commentaries won't due as sources. BYU is very hush hush about these kind of things, so I'm curious to know how you know? Big 12 hasn't shed any light to the media whether or not they invited BYU to join.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    June 6, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    Our new rivalry with our brother Colorado is good and our other big brothers in our conference like to play us a lot because they like us and it helps their record and that’s why they invited us to join and not byu so the Big 12 won’t call byu because of it. We will have a good games against Colorado and Idaho state this year and it will be fun!

    Go Utes!

  • Foxtrot Mountain View, CA
    June 6, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    I would like to be Bruce Wayne....

  • mdemann Murray, UT
    June 6, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    @GoRed
    The comments here are Bronco's proof. BYU has the Salt Lake Market. BYU and Utah fans follow BYU sports. Just look at how many utes are here hanging on everything BYU.

  • Ironman SANTA CLARA, UT
    June 6, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    "There’d be a ton to offer the Big 12 because it’s a money-generated world right now."

    I recall when the mission of BYU sports was to promote goodwill and positive exposure for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

    Now it is about the money, huh Bronco?

    Maybe instead of "Pride", "Excellence", and "Character" on the back of your team jerseys, you should have "Show Me the Money".

  • still_thinking Draper, UT
    June 6, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    @Chris B
    100 years of tradition creates a rivalry, not a recent conference switch. If Utah and BYU weren't rivals then 80% of the comments on BYU articles wouldn't be by Utah fans.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 6, 2014 7:28 a.m.

    @GoRed

    "Where is the proof that BYU dominates the SLC and Utah market"...you ask?

    Nielson Ratings!!

    This fact is not even debatable.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 6, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    In life, so many opportunities only come around once.

    BYU had a shot at the Big-12 and passed. They were foolish.
    There seems to be no indication that the Big-12 will expand and even if they do, they're looking East. Cincinnati, CFU, South Florida.

    However, BYU should still pull out all the stops to get into the Big-12.

    -Offer up their network and facilities to the league for sports programming.
    -Pay to play...Boosters...make the league an offer they can't refuse..
    -Petition ESPN to redo their contract.
    -Pay visitors travel costs.
    -Offer to join without sharing revenue for 10 years, BYU does not need the money.

    The problem with BYU, is that for years, they have just sat back and waited for opportunities to come to them. While other Universities aggressively sold themselves for better opportunities.

    Suspend the humility/arrogance and offer what you must to make this happen.

    If BYU joined their league they would be....
    #3 in attendance-football (Top 25 Nationally)
    #1 in attendance-basketball (Top 10-20 Nationally)
    #2 in Academics
    #3 in Sears cup
    Tradition only surpassed by Texas and Oklahoma.
    Eyeballs...A National fanbase (we know, not akin to Notre Dame)

    Sadly, it's most likely Independence or MWC.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    June 6, 2014 7:11 a.m.

    I think it is wishful thinking on the part of BYU to have any chance of getting into any BCS conference. The day they announced they would be going independent was the day that any real conference affiliation went out the window. That decision will haunt BYU for years to come. Added to that their no play on Sunday position, no conference would want to deal with the burden of complying with their rules while trying to always make them the exception in scheduling them. Part of the problem has to do with their TV contract as well. Overall, BYU has dug themselves into a big hole with no reasonable way to get out.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    June 6, 2014 6:50 a.m.

    I'm a Ute fan, but it saddens me to see this kind of kowtowing and pity seeking from Coach Mendenhall. Nobody made the Cougs an independent and nobody is required to fight for them. Also, there are some wonderful kids at BYU. If you are going hat in hand, you might want to mention that a big reason you would be a boon to a conference is because you feel you are an outstanding academic institution with good people in your student body and strong alumni support. Don't go on about money and branding and how recognizable you are. That's a little needy. Bottom line? We in the big boy conferences will decide when and where. You just keep plugging away and do your best. We'll call.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 6, 2014 6:43 a.m.

    @2ferFlinching

    NOBODY cares who Minnesota, Duke or Utah are playing save their respective fan bases despite their being in a "power" conference.

    The bigger picture for BYU isn't defined on a local stage. Its a world stage. BYU IS the most recognizable college team in Africa, Asia and South America. They are among the top recognized college teams in North America and Europe. Locking into a conference doesn't change or enhance that. Besides the Big12 is VERY vulnerable right now.

    The PAC12 in the next round of realignment SHOULD grab Baylor, get Texas, Oklahoma and one more team to go to 16. B1G should grab the Kansas Schools. The SEC should get Texas Tech and Oklahoma State. Its a few years still before this may happen (next round of TV negotiations).

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    June 6, 2014 6:30 a.m.

    I think Bronco is sort of goofy but I applaud his effort in selling the BYU story. I for one want to see BYU in a tougher conference to humble the fans on the difference between MWC conference and a big boy conference.

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    June 6, 2014 6:04 a.m.

    @hoosier87

    There are A LOT of people outside of Utah that follow the Utes. I live in Richmond, VA and I definitely don't have enough hands to count the number of people I either watch the games with, or who record the game that live in my neighborhood alone. Everyone out here knows about the Utes and the interest is growing. One breakout season will do it for them. The exposure from being in the Pac12 is tremendous. Don't talk until you know what you are talking about.

  • Spoons Lake Tahoe, NV
    June 6, 2014 5:28 a.m.

    @ Chris B - Colorado vs. Colorado State

    BYU has the attendance and the fan base, but the reality is that they will not play on Sunday. I commend them for this and wish all Christian universities would do the same. BYU is being excluded due to their religion and anytime you are left out because you are different it hurts.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 6, 2014 5:14 a.m.

    "Two Big 12 sources told the American-Statesman on Thursday the idea of adding BYU has little support for various reasons. Some league presidents and athletic directors believe BYU is too difficult to work with." -- Brian Davis (American-Statesman Staff)

    I think dealing with ONE Texas size ego is bad enough, adding BYU to the mix will make things twice as bad.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 6, 2014 12:59 a.m.

    "Mendenhall said, " "We have the entire Salt Lake City and Utah market as well as a worldwide following because of the church. There’d be a ton to offer the Big 12 because it’s a money-generated world right now. You’re talking about an amazing kind of brand."

    1. "entire Salt Lake City" Church members represent less than 50% of the population of SLC(and there are at least 30 Mormons in my tailgate party!
    2. (entire)... Utah market. - Something like 60% of total populations are Mormons.
    3. "worldwide following"... playing that card?
    4. "an amazing kind of rand"... The Collegiate Licensing Company's top selling institutions List the Y at number 48. The University of Utah is number 28. (And Utah was the highest ranked PAC-12 school! Now that is amazing!) The figures were from the 18 month period of &/1/12 thru 12/31/13.)

    If you have any doubt about Coach Mendenhall's credibility... just ask TCU.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    June 6, 2014 12:46 a.m.

    You know... for BYU to get into the big 12 they probably should quit beating Texas. That was not good for Texas or the league last year.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    June 6, 2014 12:37 a.m.

    I don't blame Bronco for practically begging the Big 12 to invite BYU. I mean, it's quite obvious that Bronco is not a fan of BYU being an independent. He made a comment a couple years ago that he would prefer being in a conference. I don't blame him! Being in a conference definitely has it's benefits such as giving member teams something to play for (conference championships). Independence on the other hand, there is nothing to play for except a mediocre bowl game.

    BYU needs to get into a conference now more than ever. If the Big 12 invites them, great! But they need to consider rejoining the Mountain West. The MWC at least offers BYU an automatic berth in the Fiesta Bowl if the Cougars are the highest ranked mid-major conference champion. Independence doesn't have that luxury, unless of course your Notre Dame (automatic Orange Bowl berth, if qualified).

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    June 6, 2014 12:31 a.m.

    There's still an outside chance BYU can get in. It revolves, however, around the Sunday issue.
    Unfortunately, even in this religiously conservative area of the country, such as Texas, football comes before God and family.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 5, 2014 11:52 p.m.

    So, Bronco, you claim to have the entire Salt Lake market. Where is your proof? As you drive around most areas of the valley, you see mostly University of Utah flags in neighborhoods displayed as well as U of U decals on cars. There are only occasional BYU flags, decals, etc. throughout the valley. By the same token, in the Provo/Orem area there are mostly BYU signs, stickers, etc. with occasion University of Utah flags, etc.

    For Bronco to make his assertion that the Salt Lake area is his is preposterous. It shows a distorted view of his own school's self importance. And it's totally false.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 11:49 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    I respectfully disagree. BYU is no longer the most important game on our schedule, but they will always be our rival.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    June 5, 2014 11:41 p.m.

    But what happened to independence being the greatest thing ever?

    Seriously though I hope this happens. Having both the Big 12 and the Pac 12 would be great for the state, and it would make football season more fun.

    Here's hoping the cougars make it into the big leagues.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 5, 2014 11:34 p.m.

    No one is going to take a team that dictates what days they will and will not play on. Thats just the way it is. Look on the bright side, a bowl vs. the winner of the National, or is the the American, conference awaits. BYU has a great chance of beating Quaker State in the Miami Beach Bowl; and that rocks!

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    June 5, 2014 10:49 p.m.

    The underlying unspoken is whether Bronco had the backing of Holmes for this interview and comments or is he stepping out and public ally going againstl Holmes. If he is fronting for Holmes then game changer, BYU wants a conference, if not fronting then a break between coaches and administration which will spill over into players and recruiting. BYU may not be able to ever play in a major bowl game the way things are unfolding.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    June 5, 2014 10:40 p.m.

    One more indication that BYU recognizes the need to be in a Big 5 conference to accomplish it's goals.

  • Michael Romney Salt Lake, UT
    June 5, 2014 10:39 p.m.

    A few years ago the Big 12 offered by the lifeline of a lifetime as a one and only time offer to join the Power Conferences and be relevant. What did Holmoe and byu tell the big 12? "Give us what you give Texas because we deserve it"

    And now byu has no one to blame but themselves that they will NEVER be relevant ever again. But don't be upset brothers, there is nothing wrong with being a mid-major for the rest of time, well, as long as the church decides to let the football team remain.

    Cheers brothers!

  • Hoosier87 American Fork, UT
    June 5, 2014 10:34 p.m.

    I like this move - I think the BIG12 is the way to go.

    Independence has been great - love the exposure and the scheduling. But with the playoff system, it's way too beneficial to be in a power conference.

    And before all these Utes coming crying about what Bronco said, you got to realize its the truth. BYU has always been and always will be a bigger, better draw than the Utes could ever dream of being.

    Utah is a regional draw only - barely that! Who outside of Salt Lake even follows the Utes? BYU on the other hand has an enormous fan base - and growing.

    The Big12 needs to add BYU and soon. I'd also love to see the Cougars play Big12 basketball - that would be fun. Especially with these dominate recruiting classes Coach Rose is bringing in!

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    June 5, 2014 10:31 p.m.

    There is just one thing preventing byu from joining the Big 12: The Big 12 does not want to invite byu.

  • Mexican Ute mexico, 00
    June 5, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    Props to Coach Roscoe for doing that.

    Those BYU fans that would choose to remain independent over joining the Big 12 must be smoking a substance that is prohibited by the Honor Code...

    Having lived in Texas I could see where BYU could enter that league. There would be a big rivalry with Baylor (Mormons vs. Baptists) that would be rather lovely.

  • Proud Ute ,
    June 5, 2014 9:59 p.m.

    Just wish Bronco wouldn't beg.
    It's Holmoe's job to do that.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    June 5, 2014 9:32 p.m.

    Good for Mendenhall for saying what is true. From a visibility standpoint BYU is a no-brainer. BYU is competitive in most sports and brings a huge audience. The Big12 would be fortunate to get a school like BYU.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 9:30 p.m.

    See this is proofs we have the entire utah and Salt lake city markets.

    And this comment proves you are a ute masquerading as a Y fan.....

    How big is the rice bowl ETBASS?
    ...and how many years ago was it that you only filled it once every two years?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 9:21 p.m.

    @Two for Flinching

    byu is not our rival anymore. byu's rivalry game is against middle Tennessee this year.

    There isn't a single power conference team that is rivals with a non-power conference team, other than Notre Dame.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2014 8:57 p.m.

    @ Steven S Jarvis

    I'm not sure you understand the reality with what is happening in the world of CFB. Taking independence over the Big-12 is crazy. Your own coach is, very wisely, promoting BYU to the Big-12. Also, I think playing games in a P5 would be better for exposure because the rest of the CFB world would be paying attention. Nobody is gong to care, or even notice, when BYU travels to Murfreesboro later this year.

    Honestly, I hope BYU gets in. It would be great for football in this state as a whole, and it would bring a great new dynamic to the rivalry.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 5, 2014 8:34 p.m.

    See this is proofs we have the entire utah and Salt lake city markets.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 5, 2014 8:32 p.m.

    Going to the Big12 is a step down in exposure and a step up in competition. BYU does have a solid record against those teams though (save TCU).

    I would rather be independent thank you.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    June 5, 2014 8:23 p.m.

    Props to Bronco for stepping out and promoting the program. TCU and WVU were some really bad adds to the Big 12. They should have gone for BYU, Louisville, and Pitt in the early going.

    Like how he said that BYU brings in the entire Salt Lake Market. How true!

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    June 5, 2014 7:52 p.m.

    Good to talk up the option of joining the Big-12. Sure there is a lot of talk from Ute fans that it will never happen but coach talking it up won't hurt...besides it will give the haters something to dwell on.

    Smart move coach.

    Goooooooooooo Cougars