Another article from today said Lee saw the Pope. Maybe he can ask him for
I suppose the illegal contributions made to Obama's first election and
second election don't count? No one seems to have cared enough to make a
big stink about all the irregularities in his campaign not to mention the voter
fraud that occurred when illegals and others voted multiple times. How about
those districts in the battleground states that reported over 100% cast votes
all for Obama and not one for Romney? Luck or corruption. And why is this
businessman now coming forward with his claims? What's in it for him and
why didn't he refuse to comply? Sorry, but this businessman is just as
guilty and should be held accountable for his actions. Aren't we all just
plain tired with the status quo of state and federal politics and campaigning?
The best way to avoid this is by setting a ceiling amount that any candidate can
spend from local politics to federal. It's about time we stop the wasteful
spending we do on campaigns. $1 billion dollars was spent on the last
presidential election and what did it get us? Nothing. It is time to get rid of
all special interest groups, lobbyists.
The good ol' boys club is falling apart....good riddance.
What a tangled web woven by Shurtleff/Swallow/Lee.There is too much
information about their misdeeds for ALL of it to be incorrect.Utah
needs--DESPERATELY---a functional 2-party system.
@sgSo because Obama did it makes it OK for Lee to do it? I love the
morality on display here.
As they say, "the plot thickens."
Sorry sg this isn't about your belief that Obama did wrong, besides
chaffetz/lee would still be investigating if there was a shred of evidence,
there isn't just radio dropouts and their fan base of parrots.
come on Mike. Your Dad taught you that it was the appearance of evil which
counted, and he had the character to resign when that issue was presented by
Love the reading comprehension on display here. The experts on campaign law all
agree Senator Lee will not be affected by the complaint, yet for most commenters
here this is a sign Lee will resign any day now.Donations such as
this are not uncommon in modern politics, and members of both parties are guilty
of it (the Clintons are masters of donation-laundering). This complaint was
filed solely to generate headlines and smear Senator Lee.
It's pretty hard to imagine that Lee would have known about this, but if
for some reason he did, I think he should resign, even though I much appreciate
the great good he's done in Washington D.C.
@FelisConcolorOne more person playing the "two wrongs do make a
right" card. The Clintons did it, both parties do it, so it's OK.
Tell me, during which year of college were you Mike Lee's roommate?
What we all need to know, really know, is that this is not a political party
issue. We have some who are more transparent about it than others, publicly
stating that "corporations are people", paving the way to legalize the
sale of our democracy to the highest bidder. The highest bidders are
corporations and millionaires and billionaires, on both sides of the aisle. Are
they behind Mike Lee? Yes. Are they behind congressmen and women from both
parties? Absolutely. If we truly want to take our country back, as some
contend, we need to be clear about who has taken it away. Money rules. We must
not let it rule in the USA. It is a democracy, which should always mean we have
faith and confidence in the people. If you doubt that those with money are
attacking our democratic principles, a Wall Street Exec actually said that those
with money should get more than one vote, because by making money they
demonstrate, inherently, their higher ability to vote more wisely. That is
being transparent, give the man credit for that, at least.
So many ignore all the corruption going on within the current Federal
Administration, giving pretty much a pass or even defending illegal and corrupt
practices yet they are already jumping all over this. It has not even been
proven that Lee even had knowledge of these actions. The two individuals that
supposedly made the contributions, if they did, they should be first in line for
prosecution. Next, you must prove Lee had knowledge something I have yet to hear
that he did. Therefore HE would not have broken any laws. People need to clean
up their own parties right now instead of looking to attack the other. The left
has no shortage of corruption.
@klangton Except with a one party system it is partisan here in Utah.
If somebody made illegal donations to Sen. Lee's campaign, they broke the
law not him. He should give the money back, but that should be the extent of
his responsibility in the matter.
RE: SharpHooks "Utah needs--DESPERATELY---a functional 2-party
system."Actually it could really use a proportional system so
that minority parties could have a place at the table, e.g. libertarians,
constitutional, socialists, and yes, democrats.
Thank heaven for Senator Lee! He is a leader and some people in his own party
resent that. Anyone can make an accusation. Whether it holds up in court is
another thing altogether. Go Get Em Mike Lee!
If he is guilty, let him be punished accordingly. If he is not guilty, then
it's time to move on.
@klangton, you could not be more wrong, but you stand in the company of most
Americans.The idea that our Republic has devolved into a democracy
is exactly the problem. Democratic rule is mob rule, and elected officials are
now forced to pander to the masses (the mob). Our Founding Fathers understood
the dangers of democracy (mob rule) and they intentionally avoided it by giving
us a Republic. Did you know that U.S. Senators used to be elected by their State
Legislatures, making them accountable to the state they represented, which also
empowered them with the ability to keep the Executive Branch in check. Now
it's a power grab that's driven by money and promises of free handouts
to the masses - Democracy. You should read up on that.
CabezaMan pretty much nails it,, If Lee was to be implicated, I am
confident his home would have been raided as well For the arm chair
QB's here. Innocent until proven guilty!Lets turn up the heat
on jobs, unemployment outside of the benefits window, Obamacare, taxation,
NSA, IRS, VA, plenty of bigger fish to look at. Lee has not been
implicated. Lets hold off on the witch hunt.
Okay, let's try this again. We can solve these problems if we were to go
back to the Republic form of government established by our Founding Fathers.
This would start with the repeal of the 17th amendment. This amendment
superseded Article I and III, Clauses 1 and 2 of the Constitution, which
required senators to be elected by state legislatures. The Founder's intent
was to prevent the federal government from indirectly absconding with the powers
and funds of the states. Imagine the wisdom. The 17th amendment established
direct election of United States Senators by popular vote. That means the
masses, or "mob rule." And that's why we have these types of
problems. Interestingly enough, the argument used to get the 17th amendment
passed was the "risk" or "potential" for corruption when none
actually existed. Well they solved that problem, didn't they. Progressive,
Mike-d, Lee's home was not raided....he short sold it, and we the taxpayers
paid for it.
From their website:"The Alliance for a Better UTAH is a
year-round, multi-issue education and advocacy organization promoting
progressive ideas and causes with earned media and local organizing."Progressive community organizers.True or not, never let a
good smear go to waste.
After Lee is cleared by all the allegations.......I think it's time we vote
the Libs out of our red state! Send them packing to Detroit where they can have
a voice and live under the guidance of their failed ideologies!
Rumors and innuendo are like feathers on the wind. Once stated they are hard to
get back. If the Lee campaign received funds that turned out to be in error,
they should return the funds WITHOUT waiting for some slow acting committee to
"investigate". They should take the highest road possible.Our
political society today is so completely corrupted by power and money on all
sides that it is, to me, really sad. Instead of shouting and blaming, we should
do all what we can to act correctly ourselves. There was a lot of "not
me" or "I don't know" from our children when they were little.
Happily today they have matured to behave responsibly. Too bad that our modern
politicos (from all sides of the spectrum) have never grown up. What a
need we have for real grown ups in modern politics.
No need for this group to go after him. If he is guilty he will turn himself in.
Otherwise it would be amnesty and he wouldn't stand for that.
"Innocent until proven guilty" followed by "NSA, IRS, VA, plenty of
bigger fish to look at" then back to "Lets hold off on the witch
hunt."My head is spinning....its innocent unless proven
guilty.... when your are Republican? Or is it Utahan? Or what is it....
because it seems this only applies to a select group.I don't
agree with Lee's stance on many things, but I doubt he had much direct
knowledge of this. I am pretty comfortable it was the same "power
broker" crowd who was working to effect the elections.... you know the ones,
the guys with the open caucus meetings in their houses deciding who gets to run,
and who doesn't. The good old boy club in Utah needs to be shaken up. Lee
probably was the beneficiary of this... but not engaged with it.
This is another case of a headline that blast Mike Lee - implicating him with
the smear of association. If the commenters would read the article, they would
see that the article is about Jeremy Johnson and John Swallow. This is not an
article about Mike Lee - except to the fact that a group claims that they are
going to do something that they have not done - file a complaint. There is no
statement in the article or the affidavit that Mike Lee sought illegal campaign
contributions. Also, does anyone have a rational explanation as to how a
"short sale" of a house - done with the approval of the lender - is any
way related to illegal activity?I find it extremely curious that the
Senior Senator from Utah is immune to any connection to Mr. Johnson. Given the
fact that Mr. Johnson appears to have attempted to buy political influence,
might his money not have been better spend on the man who has spent his entire
life within the beltway of Washington DC and is one of the more senior
legislators in the country. I find the absence of such allegations to be
@stevo123Please explain to us all how the taxpayers paid for the
short-sale of a home.
That's Ok all the same posters supporting Lee, are the same ones who kept
the swallow debacle going for far to long, declaring "Innocent until proven
guilty." Like Bluedevil pointed out... unless it's Obama,
then rumors and innuendo are good enough for impeachment.
Brave Sir Robin:It appears to me you are playing the same game,
excusing shady campaign financing deals by your beloved Clinton/Obama campaigns
while screaming for Senator Lee's head on a platter.If you have
any proof Senator Lee violated campaign laws, then post it. Otherwise, wait
until the results of the investigation come out -- assuming there even is an
investigation to begin with; according to the article, that is not a
guarantee.This was a smear job by a left-wing activist group, done
for the sole purpose of discrediting Senator Lee. Nothing substantial will
come of it, but then that wasn't the intention. Creating negative
headlines about Senator Lee was the reason for this complaint, and it has
The chickens are coming home to roost.
sg writes, "No one seems to have cared enough to make a big stink about all
the irregularities in his campaign not to mention the voter fraud that occurred
when illegals and others voted multiple times."It's hard to
make a big stink about something that doesn't exist, although some people
have certainly tried. Look at Whitewater. Look at the people predicting
"the demise of marriage".
@Mikhail, the people who paid for Mike Lee's short sale are the depositors
of the bank he stiffed (myself among them). I suppose many of them might have
been taxpayers, too. I know I am.
Oh, joy of joys... We may be able to pull yet ANOTHER person into this pit!...
Some of you Lib nay-sayers need to realize that the candidate rarely knows who
contributed or how much. They employ people for that task. As much as I'm
not that big a fan of Mike Lee, he's not responsible, nor culpable in this.
Maybe those he employed to take care of the finances are. This Johnson guy is
pulling out all the stops to stay out of jail. Next think he'll say is
that he's the illegitimate son of Orrin Hatch.Same thing with
Obama. But then Obama set the bar pretty low.
It is interesting to read the liberal posters here. We have an article about a
person who made illegal contributions to political canidates. There was nothing
stating tht Lee knew anything about the legality issues, yet the liberals are
calling for blood.At the same time when compelling evidence comes up
that there is some highly questionable activities going on at the White House,
those same people ask us to look the other way.Liberals, please tell
us what to do. Do we seek for blood when a politician is implied in an illegal
activity or do we look the other way until the investigations are done?
To all the people saying "I hope they throw the book at him"...Democrat Harry Reid was MUCH more clearly and directly involved in this ugly
incident... why are you not calling for HIS head (and only Mike
Lee's)???I think your partisan motivations are pretty clear on
@ MonkLee would never ask the Pope for repentance. After all, the
Pope doesn't head the "one true church." In fact I remember some
not so kind words about the Catholic Church coming from an LDS leader not to
long ago...@TRUTH"I think it's time we vote the Libs
out of our red state!"We already did. And that got us Swallow,
Shurtleff, $13 million to one of Herbie's owners.
The question is if this transfer of funds occurred?Why do the
investigators simply follow the paper trail? We really do not live in the dark
ages.You simply do not withdraw $150,000 in cash and give it to
different individuals. It is either an electronic transfer or checks to the
individuals involved.If it occurred Mr. Johnson should be able to
give you the names of the individuals who whom the money was transferred and
then check to see if they donated the same amount to Senator Lee's election
fund. Duh! Simple. Do I get a state job now as an investigator?
"Here we go again." Do you see any democrats being pursued by this
group? That's because they are liberals and will support any liberal
cause. The Republicans need a group like this to pursue democrats
in high office in Utah. Oh yeah, come January, there won't be any...good
Let me guess, this is also the same guy who got the investigation going on john
Swallow, our former AG. All these so called investigations do is get the peoples
focus on one thing while our Government is doing another behind our back.
@sg...Only yourself along with the other regular sheep could possibly attempt
deflection by tying in our President. Possibly think for yourself? It is quite
@Michael-D...Feel free to remove your Utah County Blinders any day.
@Truth...Is not time you live up to your handle name and actually find some
"Truth" prior to any more nonsensical partisan posts? Just an idea my
friend. Anything to assist my fellow man regardless of how delusional some
@JohnLocke...Not sure where news is obtained in Irvins. Could you please
identify what current Democrats are in "high offices" here in Utah? How
about the last time Utah had a Democratic Governor? I'll anxiously be
awaiting your response.