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Published: Thursday, June 5 2014 8:37 p.m. MDT

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Furry1993
Ogden, UT

Not that I've seen. From what I have seen, the only thing that affects Romney's view on anything is how much money he can make from it.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

It seems ridiculously disingenuous for people to be spouting off about the need to "provide a path to citizenship" when there is and always has been such a path.

The problem is that, like many other functions of our bloated, inefficient and ineffective federal government, the process to navigate and actually take that path is overly complicated, time consuming and cumbersome in many other ways. Which, of course, is one reasons desperately poor but normally law-abiding people (and many others who are NOT law-abiding) justify breaking the immigration laws as currently constituted. That is a shame and one part of why we desperately need real, intelligent and comprehensive immigration reform.

Nevertheless, in the meantime, we **must** enforce our current laws, if only to preserve the sanctity of law that has formed the basis of our country and helped us make it a place where other people are desperate to take part.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Which of Romney's positions on immigration shall we compare it to?
There's the pre-2012 position.
Then there's the 2012 campaign position.
And now there's the Utah Compact position.
I suppose it depends on the audience.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I would say that the fact that his father immigrated from Mexico the the US, lived on government assistance for a good portion of his youth, that those factors probably weigh on his opinion and position. It could be also as a church leader he understands that borders are constructs created by man, not God, and that our stewardship to each other is not limited by some artificial line drawn across a map.

But I get it that such a notion is very offensive to some who think because they live north of this line, they think they are a blessed people, and have no responsibility to those who live outside these lines. Were all Gods children, just that God loves and cares about some more than others.... or something along those lines.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I'm a human... Romney's a human.
Religion affects MY views... I would assume it affects HIS views.

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I think he loves everybody, including Hispanics (I've heard him say that). That does NOT mean he will disregard our laws so they can break them if they want. That's not love. That's pandering.

He said we need to have a "path to citizenship"... I assume that would be a LEGAL path. Not just sustaining the status quo and let them skirt the law as long as they can without getting caught, and IF they get caught... just set a court date and let them move to another community and do the same thing.

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I think he understands how the economy works, how businesses work, how jobs work.

He realizes that when we have a glut of illegal workers willing to accept lower wages and get paid under the table (so it doesn't have to be reported to the Government)... it tends lower EVERYBODY's wages AND Lower the government's tax revenue (because they dont pay taxes on income paid under the table, and they need a valid SS# to pay income taxes, SS taxes, etc).

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

It's easy to call for "immigration reform" without specifying the details.

I thought self-deportation was the central pillar of Romney's plan. Or has he flip-flopped again?

sg
newhall, CA

I like Romney, but I disagree with him immigration position. We don't need reform, we just want the laws enforced. What is wrong with enforcing the laws? I'd rather in go in the red protecting our country from the invasion of illegals than letting them stay. I don't buy into the anchor babies or the young children (from infant to young adult)that it's not their fault. Tough. They are illegally here. Their parents knew exactly what they were doing when they snuck into our country. It is NOT our responsibility to give them a better life if they can't find it in their own country. They should remain in theirs and take steps into making it a better place rather than come here and turn America into one of their own countries. As far as Romney's religion playing a part in his switch...of course it is apparent by all accounts made by the Church leaders that we are told to be more Christ-like and understanding in our approach to immigration. Those of us who love this country believe in the adherence of its laws.

SLars
Provo, UT

You can't reward people here illegally with jobs, or you invite millions more to bypass our laws, come here illegally, and steal id's, social security numbers and perjury. Not to mention the people dying in the desert and breaking up of more families.

Only enforcement of the laws will solve these problems in a compassionate way for everyone.

The Wraith
Kaysville, UT

Holy cow I'm going to agree with 2 bits.

How could religion not affect his views on immigration. A persons religious views would affect almost everything they have a view on. A persons nonreligious views will affect almost all of the views they have. A persons deeply held views on great movies likely affects their views. A persons favorite music will affect their views.

I don't know 2 bits, did we just answer the headline with too much of a meta answer? I mean it seems obvious that his views are reflected by his religion. Perhaps we were too literal in our answer.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

The headline is a very naive question. Does Rev. Jeremiah Wright affect Barach Obama's view on releasing Sgt. Bergdahl? One's philosophy, be it religious or secular, determines one's position on everything. There is no hegemony on immigration issues within LDS doctrine so if you want to know, ask Mitt Romney, but don't take a poll.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

Beginning of sarcasm and fake outrage // He is free to believe in empathy but it should not affect his policy views. We aren't a theocracy. If he wants to live in a theocracy he should go to Iran! / End of sarcasm and fake outrage.

The Wraith
Kaysville, UT

@Hemlock

It's a little like asking: "Does a person's worldview have an impact on their views of the world?"

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Flip flop flip flop!

I have no idea what Romney's view on immigration is. What time is it? This morning it was one way, this afternoon was another, and tonight? Boy it's changed again.

Mitt will do and say anything to get people to like him.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Lots of comments saying "enforce the existing laws".

If that is your position then you are advocating deporting over 11 million people. PERIOD.

Is that reasonable? Is it even doable? Think about it.

Bumper sticker positions are easy. But not always realistic.

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Immigration reform will NOT get done before the 2016 election. It would be seen as a win for Obama. And we know that will never be allowed.

Heck, I predict we will be talking about Immigration reform in 5 years. Neither side will get everything they want, and hence, nothing will pass.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I think the Mitt you see now is the real Mitt, because he isn't being advised by Neocons trying to appease the far right fringe. I am willing to bet he doesn't care if he is branded as a RINO.... in fact, if he is, he should wear it as a badge of honor.

The Republican Party needs to be led by pragmatic people who understand how to get things done.... not talking heads trying to excite peoples emotions by emphasizing feelings of self superiority. Mit became a good business many by knowing to get, you must give a little as well. Something the current Republican leaders just doesn't get.

ECR
Burke, VA

Many of those posting comments here have rightfully expressed frustration and even anger at the idea of granting a pathway to citizenship for those who have entered the country illegally. There is certainly justification for those feelings and those who have stated that our current laws should be enforced are absolutely right.

But there is a larger problem that needs our attention and upholding laws and taking a hard stance toward those who have broken the law in the past will not solve that problem. Some estimates are that as many as 12 million illegals currently reside in our country. Many of them work in jobs that serve our needs and we are happy they are there to do those jobs. My expereince is that these are some of the hardest working people I know. But how long will we force them to live in the shadows, allowing them to use our government services without allowing them to pay legal taxes on the money they make in order to support those servicews. A pathway to citizenship is the ONLY way to resolve such a huge problem. What is the alternative? Rounding up 12 Million people and bussing them back to the border?

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Obama doesn't enforce the immigration laws we have now! What good will MORE useless laws do? Don't tell me how Obama has deported more illegals than any other President because its another lie! Obama just released thousands of illegal aliens from prisons, most with criminal records onto the streets! Where did he get the authority to do that?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Instead of deporting the illegal immigrants, how about we deport Americans who know the immigration laws yet still employ illegally? They value money over following the rules and laws of our country.

Deport the illegal business owners and the illegal immigrants will have no incentive to come and stay here.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

OK DN monitor --
I didn't see what was wrong the last 2 times,
but I'll try again anyway...

Flip-Flop-and back to Flip.

This was why I could support him in 2008,
but could not in 2012.

Which Mitt Romney?

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

LDS Liberal. Which Mitt Romney???? Which Barrack Obama? The campaigning Obama or the real Obama? The ACA promises Obama or what we got Obamacare lies Obama, period?
The VA Obama or the real VA scandal where veterans died Obama?
The most open administration in history or the real lies, secrecy and cover-ups Obama?
The IRS abuses that outraged Obama or the real covering up and denying Obama?
The Benghazi Obama(we will find and punish those who did this and the tape lies) or the real Obama?
The fast and furious Obama or the real covering up Obama?
The Syria "red line" Obama or the Putin's stooge Obama?
The 5 war criminals back on the battlefield Obama or the excuses Obama?
I fear your liberal ideology has poisoned your view of the real Obama! What Obama says and what he does is usually totally opposite, period!

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