Yes donn I do in fact know what the punishment for desertion in time of war is.
Eddie Slovik was the last U.S. soldier to be executed for desertion. His
sentence was carried out near the end of WW II. He was also the only soldier
executed for desertion during WW II and the only one since the America Civil
War. No I have not served in the military. No I do not approve of his desertion.
Once again I wonder if you even read my posts. Did I at any time say that I did
approve of said desertion? For what feels like the 20th time all I have actually
said is that we don't know what was going through his mind when he left his
post and perhaps he wasn't thinking clearly. Unless you know more than
everyone else you also don't know what was going through his head. Does
that completely excuse his actions? No, but it does add context.My
opinion is pretty simple donn. I don't know why he left his post but right
now I'm just happy he's not a P.O.W.
RE: The Wraith, If the current evidence turns out to be true and Bergdahl is a
deserter. Do you know what they do to deserters in a time of war? Do you know
what the UCMJ is? Were you in the military? Do you approve of (his) desertion?
@ DonnDid you hear me once dispute any of that? In any of my posts
do I call him a hero? All I have said is that we don't know what was going
through his mind at the time and perhaps he wasn't in his right mind when
he left his post. I have no idea what kind of character this young man has or
had. I don't know what he was thinking when he deserted his post. However I
am glad he doesn't have to be a P.O.W. anymore regardless of those
reasons.My only other argument was that I thought he had been
punished enough by spending 5 years in captivity and that I was glad he was
home. The real heroes are in fact the men who searched for him both
those who died and those who lived. Please don't put words in my mouth.
RE: The Wraith, A Pentagon report clearly indicates that as early as 2010,the
Department of Defense knew that Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl had, in fact, Deserted his
fellow soldiers by walking away from his post. The REAL Hero's
are those 6 Who lost their lives searching for him.In 1970 I was
guarding airplanes in the jungles of Vietnam and Thailand(USAF infantry). A
member of our Security Police Squadron left his post for less than honorable
reasons, elements of my squadron were sent into harms way to find him. The NCO
who ordered the search, years later was dishonorably discharged for the bad
decision. He put lives at risk for a dubious character.
@DonnThis release of this soldier does not add in any way to the
incentive the Taliban had in capturing Americans. That incentive was set to 11
from the day the war started. They have tried to capture Americans before and
they will continue to do so with just as much effort had he not been released.
Capturing Americans was, is, and will remain one of their top goals.Thanks for the post GR, I thought what you added was great.Not to
mention that anyone who complains he dad "looks" like his captures is
well just plain mean. His dad has stated over and over that he simply stopped
shaving when he son was captured. If anything we should all look at the beard
and think, yeah 5 years is an extremely long time.
@The WraithShould you add to your list that it's also not
important or relevant- how many died looking for him- Or the
parents, wives or children and family of those who died looking for him-
Or those who died capturing the 5 terrorists who are now free- Or the
families of those who died capturing those 5 terrorists- Or the people who
died at the hand of those 5 terrorists- Or those who WILL die at the hand
of those 5 terrorists.Yes, you are right. The only thing that
matters is that he is now "free" despite the evidence indicating that he
chose to leave. Well, at least he did not open fire on his own people before he
RE: The Wraith, ”I'm glad he's out of captivity - regardless of
how or why he was captured.”?Americans are now a high value
target for kidnapping, especially now that such a tremendous incentive has been
established. A Taliban commander told TIME Thursday, “It’s better to
kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people. It
has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an
Wow you people are cold. What was going through this young mans mind when he
left? Was he thinking clearly? Was he experiencing a severe mental breakdown and
not thinking clearly? Or because he left are you so merciless that you feel he
should have just rotted and died there no matter what. I have no idea why he
left but there are a few things I do believe strongly.-He was a
P.O.W. for 5 years, whatever crime he committed he paid for.-None of you
sitting comfortably at home have the right to judge this young man or pretend to
understand what he was going through.-In the posts I read above all I
could see was a total lack of compassion for this young man and for reasons I
can't understand.-I'm glad he's out of captivity -
regardless of how or why he was captured.
Well said, Kay Hunt.I find it interesting how many members of the
American armchair army will judge a soldier based on their surety of how they
would have behaved if they had fought. War isn't a video game, it's
real. Governments make mistakes. War is destructive and full of ugly practices
that harm the innocent. None of us can judge what we would do in a war
situation because we just don't know. Whatever happened to
innocent until proven guilty? You know, one of those great American virtues
that soldiers like Bergdahl are supposed to be fighting for.I have a
suggestion. Let's all be good soldiers and learn to control our emotions
and show a little respect for one of our own -- and a little bit of the Golden
How many more people will be killed because of the release of these
terrorist?Wasn't the twin towers enough?
@ HamathWashington Post, tv stations, other newspapers. I heard
about it on the news. Do a search on Bob Berdahl tweet. It's all over the
place. I paraphrased the tweet but got the gist of it. Apparently it was
directed to a taliban contact which is very disturbing to say the least.
I have been watching the news about Bowe. I knew he had disappeared from his
unit. All the Things that Liberal Ted stated we don't know are true.
There has been a media blackout by the Army and I think for good reason. this
young man needs to heal. And then if he did go AWOL then he needs to stand up
to that. Blaming his father for trying and figure out what his son was going
through is stupid and made by someone who does not understand that every parent
going through this would go through it differently. We don't see
Bowe's mother dressed conservatively but the dad felt a need to connect
with his son on this level. Does he have sympathy for the Afghanistan people? I
would hope we all do. Their country has been torn by war for decades. Let the
military deal with Bowe. And had Bowe died in captivity everyone would be
blaming the President for that.
The media asked the father why he grew his beard. He told them he stopped
shaving it when his son was captured. That not being enough of an answer the
media has now turned it into an article like this. His son is a deserter, he is
a Taliban loving father. I am so looking forward to learning the truth, if that
can be found while Obama is President. I for one am glad Sgt Bergdahl is free.
I hope his parents can be reunited with him soon. I hope he shaves his beard
soon so thie hue and cry will stop.
@ GRYes. That would. Source?
Let's see if the Deseret News censors squash this comment when I use the
word "deserter" like they have in my two previous comments on the young
Sargent. He is a deserter!
It's not troubling to question the fathers intent. This is America where we
are encouraged to ask questions about everything. It's only troubling to
ask questions in countries that suppresses it's people.I
understand learning the language and culture. I get it. But, when he claims to
have to speak to his son Pashtu, because he no longer understands English. He
spent his Pashtu time praising Allah and the cause of the enemy. Then he went
ahead and spoke to his son in English. Does that make sense? Is it bad to ask
a question as to why he spoke English to his son, that he claims can no longer
speak or understand English?His son left a note indicating he is
deserting. In that note he indicated his disgust with this country and the
desire to be among the enemy. The count is at 14 soldiers that lost their lives
"rescuing" this deserter. Now barack released five murdering
terrorists, to kill again. How many lives were lost to get those people? How
many more will be lost when they kill again?Iguess you can go to the
left wing punt of "It's Bush's fault"alloveragain.
There are 2 issues here.1) - a member of our armed services was
being held captive by the enemy and a deal was made to free him.2) - his
status (AWOL?) needs to be determined and dealt with by the military.These are 2 separate issues. How about we give this soldier his day in court
and determine the facts?
Because long unkempt beards are un-American. Unless you have a TV show
Hamath, how about a tweet expressing that he is still doing all he can to free
all the terrorists from Guantanamo and saying that the death of every Afghan
child will be avenged? Does that count for something?
What would you do to get a captive son or daughter back? Learn the
captors' language? Try to look a little more like someone they could relate
to? Learn about their religion? Lobby your Congressperson? Write to the
president? Rally your neighbors? Yeah, I suspect you might do all you could,
and so did the Bergdahls. It has been said that Bowe Bergdahl asked his
leadership about taking a gun or night-vision goggles off base and was told not
to, so he didn't. It has been said that he stated his intention to walk to
Pakistan or India, that his conscience was bothering him for participating in
the war. Desertion is one thing, especially in light of his idealistic
(Quixotic?) mindset. No one has yet accused him of going intentionally into
Taliban custody or of aiding and abetting the enemy. The Army will do its
investigation and make its determination. His parents have suffered for five
years, and they will no doubt suffer more, but what have they done that most of
us wouldn't have done to save our children? Why are we so quick to judge
Certainly criticizing the father for his actions is troubling. He broke no
laws. He sought to build bridges. This is commendable not shameful. Unless
other evidence shows something else, we should not criticize him.
Even if he has converted to Islam, so what? If people can believe
the Bible is the word of God then they can certainly just as well -- and with
just as much justification -- believe the Qu'ran is the word of God
If he deserted his post he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. Having
spent 5 years with the terrorists doesn't mean anything - he WANTED to go
join them if he deserted in search of them.And if its true that 6
brave soldiers died directly or indirectly while searching for him - shame on
him all the more.