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Published: Wednesday, June 4 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

Updated: Tuesday, June 3 2014 10:38 p.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree with the writer. The oncoming rapid decline in biodiversity is a disaster. Here we are on this little planet, sharing our lives with other species whose building blocks of life are IDENTICAL to our own. The plains Indians said that the buffalo was their brother. It's literally true. All of the other plants and animals are our relations. If we lose them we lose our inheritance.

What if we are all alone in the universe? It's possible. It's possible the only other living things in the universe besides ourselves are the plants and animals. It's a terrible thing to snuff them out.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Am I reading this letter in the Deseret News?

It makes one wonder why the right-wingers aren't conservationists when the Bible explicitly tells them they're stewards of the Earth (i.e. representatives of god, having been given stewardship over GOD'S property). Some stewards humanity has turned out to be.

higv
Dietrich, ID

The earth was made for humans we were not made for it. We keep many animals alive that benefit us, cattle, sheep, swine and poultry. Our survival and comfort is essential to what this writer criticizes what he uses. And the right to decide how many children to have is the most fundamental right a couple has no one has a right to tell us to curb the population to "save the planet" or stop having kids.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

Sounds like the Garden of Eden to me. Thanks for the letter.

Hamath
Omaha, NE

@ Ranch hand,

Again,... maybe you should question your own view of this paper. Perhaps it's not as biased as you think it is. Of course all human endeavors are biased, but DN I think does an admirable job publishing stories from many different perspectives. Certainly not perfect. But I believe much better than FoxNews and NBC which are almost painfully biased. That is why I read it all the way here from Omaha.

Hamath
Omaha, NE

Oh... and great letter. I agree. We could learn a lot from our Native American's brothers and sister's views of the earth. We are certainly stewards and an accounting will be asked for one day.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

IF we are such parasites... intent on destroying our host...

Why are most rivers cleaner today than they were just 40 years ago?
Why is the air in SLC cleaner than it was at the turn of the century (when office workers had to change their white shirts mid-day because they would be black from coal smoke in the air and on everything)?

If we are so intent no destroying our host... why are so many people doing so many things to improve... the way we farm food, the way we build, transportation, the way we provide the things humans need to live?

We are more efficient and cleaner in doing this than we have ever been in human history.... and all you can do is complain.

I know we have a long way to go, but at least we are improving. And we do NOT want to destroy the planet... NOBODY wants to destroy the planet.

Different people have different approaches... but we ALL want a planet to live on.

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I know we have a long way to go, but it takes time and we ARE improving.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

2 bits asked...
"Why are most rivers cleaner today than they were just 40 years ago? Why is the air in SLC cleaner than it was at the turn of the century (when office workers had to change their white shirts mid-day because they would be black from coal smoke in the air and on everything)?"

Regulations, that filthy word to most conservatives.
We didn't bury our heads in the sand and do nothing, like the conservatives motto today...NO!
Your right we have a long way to go, but we have to keep moving or we will never get anywhere.
Eventually someone will find a replacement for whale blubber, but we shouldn't wait till there's no whales left.

No One Of Consequence
West Jordan, UT

This is the new voice of population reduction.

How about finding solutions that don't destroy economies?

airnaut
Everett, 00

James Westwater

Fanstastic Letter!
I'm completely shocked and surprised the Deseret News had the courage to print it.

Agreed.

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2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

who says --
"Why are most rivers cleaner today than they were just 40 years ago?
Why is the air in SLC cleaner than it was at the turn of the century..."

Umm, GOVERNMENT regulations, the EPA -- us liberal, tree-Hugging Americans, who put Life ahead of money and profits -- that's who.

Sensible Scientist
Rexburg, ID

While I appreciate the intentions of the letter and understand where in the education world that point of view comes from, I think it's important to point out that it is not objectively true or accurate.

For example, over the past century advances in industry, science, engineering, and technology have reduced the amount of per-person pollution generated. Imagine if we all still had horses and burned coal or wood to heat our homes. Advances using natural resources and industrial processes have made us all healthier. Commercial and industrial practices have made all kinds of activities much cleaner including oil drilling and production, metals mining, electricity production, and so forth. Even though populations have grown, places like Salt Lake City and Los Angeles have cleaner air today than in 1975.

So the trend in the world is not negative as the letter suggests, rather it is positive -- we're getting better (not worse) at protecting the world around us.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@airnaut

Sensible regulations are good. A self-motivated population doing things for the right reason (not just because of government mandates) is even better.

Show me somebody who actually said they want ZERO regulations in this world (not just you ASSUMING they want zero regulations).

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My point wasn't who gets credit for not having to change our shirts mid-day, or less rivers that actually catch fire today (EPA, Obama, Al Gore, whatever).

My point is that we are making progress.... and yet the letter writer and his fans claim the opposite (kinda points at their credibility).

Despite the fact that air is actually cleaner today, and most rivers are cleaner than they were before... we get statements like this from the letter writer...

"Humanity's relentless pursuit of comfort, convenience, material possessions, profit and money, plundering and polluting the environment. Exploiting fellow human beings and destroying the habitat of species after species"....

"We’re behaving like a cancer"....

And statements like these from Marxist and the like...
"The oncoming rapid decline in biodiversity is a disaster"...
"Some stewards humanity has turned out to be"...

Are they reality... or rhetoric?

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

@2 bits "And statements like these from Marxist and the like...
'The oncoming rapid decline in biodiversity is a disaster'...
'Some stewards humanity has turned out to be'...

Are they reality... or rhetoric?"

"...according to a review published on May 29 in the journal Science, current extinction rates are up to a thousand times higher than they would be if people weren't in the picture." - National Geographic Society.

airnaut
Everett, 00

@2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT
@airnaut

Sensible regulations are good. A self-motivated population doing things for the right reason (not just because of government mandates) is even better.

Show me somebody who actually said they want ZERO regulations in this world (not just you ASSUMING they want zero regulations).

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Not until you show me somebody who actually said we want ZERO fossil fuels in this world (not just you ASSUMING we want zero emissions).

I'll support your self-regulating population the very second I see people driving like me at 65 mph when a Utah State Highway Patrol man isn't blocking their lane.

Not just because the Government mandates it...

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I read here on the weekend there aren't enough of us. More of us will fix the problem, won't it?

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If we are individuals who are born, live and then die, we should make the most of our lives for enjoyment. Judging by the world as it is, most if not all people believe this way.

If we are simply one of the many parts of a bigger and more important plan, we should at least consider leaving some of the good stuff for the next generation.

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