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Published: Wednesday, June 4 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

Updated: Thursday, June 5 2014 8:53 a.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"Once again, drastic decisions are being taken without commensurate efforts to achieve a workable consensus in Congress on carbon reductions. "

First, consensus with and within the congress is not possible because Republicans do not believe climate warming is occurring. Do any in the Utah Republican delegation believe such is happening? No. So they are not going to agree to ANY CO2 reduction targets, and the president has to proceed on his own.

Second, the president's plan is NOT drastic - 30% reduction by 2030? Wimpy. This will not do. We have to proceed faster, much faster.

Third, the president should include a component in the EPA plan to produce much more nuclear power. As a practical matter this is necessary, and as a political matter it would make the CO2 targets an easier sell to Republicans, and to the rest of the world.

Fourth, such is the hatred for Obama among many Republicans (equal to the hatred for Hitler during WWII) it is doubtful these extremists will do anything to cooperate with the president on anything. Your encouragement to the president to seek consensus falls on deaf ears, and it should.

high school fan
Huntington, UT

Unfit to lead is probably the best way to describe Obama, does he not realize that the next Administration can undo his actions as quickly as he did them, does he not realize the more alone he goes the crazier it seems to make him, does he not realize that the very people he says he assisting are the very people he is hurting the worst.
Going at things alone has never been a popular way of governing and one can see why with this President. He will have a very tough time blaming this on someone else and therefore his legacy wii be will not be positive. What a strange way to act.

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

Thank You Mr. President!

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

This bas been a known administration objective now for over 5 years..... and congress.... both sides..... has failed to act. With their inaction, there is not platform for compromise. Perhaps this now is catalyst for a legislative "compromise" to codify something palatable for all sides.

You can't compromise if the other side doesn't show up to the table.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

What can you say? The Republican party has been the party of *NO* and won't do anything to govern because Obama is the President. If the other party only obstructs, then you have to do what you have to do.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"We are troubled, however, by the approach that is increasingly emblematic of the way the Obama administration approaches controversial subjects: avoid Congress and charge full stream ahead."

I am troubled by that also. But I am more troubled that roughly half of Congress will oppose anything and everything (controversial or not) that Obama proposes, and for purely partisan reasons.

No two wrongs don't make it right, but, hey, at least be honest enough to identify both sides of the problem.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

The current Congress has proven time and time again that it is incapable of being a productive part of the process. Until this changes, what do you expect a President - any President - to do?

The American voter still has the power to do something about this (in theory anyway). We must return to sending to Congress people who know what "compromise" means, believe it is an acceptable practice, and know how to achieve it in a way that moves the ball FORWARD.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

If there has ever been an imperial presidency, this president makes all others look like rank amateurs.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

American's spend $74,000,000,000.00 each year on soft drinks.

I don't think that spending 1/8th of that amount to curb the effects of global warming will be quite as catastrophic as the right is predicting!

The history of belly aching over taking responsibility for unsafe business practices is a long one, Henry Ford ll predicted that if seat belt laws were passed Ford Motors would "have to close down".

Similar dire predictions were made about laws banning lead in gasoline, eliminating asbestos in building materials, and cleaning up our air and water.

None of the cataclysmic predictions panned out.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The Supreme Court has twice ruled that the EPA has the power to regulate carbon emissions. They're just doing their job here.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

I am a research engineer for a fortune 50 company. I know something about science. I make my living with it.

Greenhouse gases don't create heat any more than a greenhouse does.
Greenhouse gases hold heat in.

Water vapor is the most significant greenhouse gas on the planet. Humid climates don't cool off at night in the summer. Dry climates do. Barstow, Calif. my home town, has humidity levels in the 6% to 10% range. The low temperature in the summer can be up to 35 or 40 degrees below the high in July. Atlanta, Georgia on a hot humid day may only see a 6 degree drop.

The difference between the high and low temperature (temperature differential) is the key indicator for the presents of greenhouse gases. As greenhouse gases increase, the temperature differential will decrease. This is the only piece of data you have to look at. This is the canary in the coal mine.

Having reviewed the temperature differential in Barstow from 1975 to 2010 in 5 year increments, I have concluded that greenhouse gases are not an issue there. All I was was expected random variation. No trend. A similar review of other locations produced the same result.

Global Warming is a fraud.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Maybe the legislature will invite all coal burning plants to seek immunity in Salt Lake Valley.

Mikhail
ALPINE, UT

Isn't it amazing how the chief executive of our land can take unilateral/ tyrannical action and it is all the fault of the Republicans in Congress? Such an attitude, as expressed so regularly by the contributors of these types of comments, is beyond reason (and appears to be organized to obfuscate the facts). Man-made global warming is not a scientific consensus, because it is not based upon true science. The theory is based upon an agenda - an agenda that says that humans are the only problem with this planet (see "Noah," the recent Hollywood production). This is an agenda that has gone on for years, with different issues - overpopulation of the earth, global-cooling, global-warming, climate-change, unequal distribution of resources and wealth.
The issue here is the unilateral action of an executive to "fundamentally change" a system and government that has functioned remarkably well for a couple of hundred years. The agenda is to u-turn the system within this tyrant's elected term. The side-effect will be an impoverished and enslaved people. Smirk all you want - the facts are there.

Mikhail
ALPINE, UT

Also, in case you Democrats have forgotten. The Dems controlled Congress for the first two years of this imperialistic presidency and still control the majority of the Senate. Why don't we elect Republicans to control both houses, so we can see who the real imperialist is. Get off the blame the Conservatives band wagon. The sign on the roadway reads "no outlet."

Invisible Hand
Provo, UT

It sounds like all of you people who applaud the president because Congress won't act on this think that presidents should do whatever he wants. Why even have a congress? Will you be just as happy when a Republican president takes office and reverses all of Obama's mandates, also without consulting Congress? It sounds like you want a dictator, not a president.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Barrel ahead? Are you kidding me? This was way beyond overdue. How much evidence do we need? How much deterioration of our environment must occur? At last, the President showed some courage, took action. If the change is a little painful for some, so be it. Any move forward can have a degree of discomfort. I'm glad the President acted, because Congress certainly won't, particularly as they are owned and controlled, literally, by special interests, including the carbon industry. More needs to be done, and I am eager to see it happen after waiting for way too long for Washington to act.

@ Invisible Hand, your question "Why even have a congress?" made me literally laugh! That's a great question. Congress does virtually nothing, even on stuff they agree on, because they are more concerned that those in the other party might get an edge. Spare me from complaints about Executive authority. I know for a fact (time in Washington) that the GOP believes in a strong executive authority. Their tune will change once they regain the White House. Congress. What a joke.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Huffington Post: 04/2013 "In a stunning development today, the community of global climate scientists announced that the problem of global warming is actually one of global cooling, overturning decades of previously accepted, peer-reviewed science. "We're very embarrassed," said Dr. Melissa Tonnennsen, a climate scientist with NASA, "but we must admit that errors do occasionally occur. We normally discover them, but this one slipped by us for over a century. The climate is still changing -- we got that right -- it's just that everything is going in the other direction."
Told you global warming was a hoax!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Repubs are now complaining about the President not compromising?

Wow.

Maybe the repubs deserve a taste of their own medicine? After all, Obama couldn't have had better teachers of stubborn non-compromizers than those from the right in Congress!

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . the approach that is increasingly emblematic of the way the Obama administration approaches controversial subjects . . . ."

Why compromise? He has the media, the snarky liberal commentators, the international "hate America first" crowd, the know-nothing vote, and a pandering liberal Congress on his side.

Real people just don't count.

Not to Obama. Not to the media. Not to liberal commentators and international haters. Not to a Congress dedicated, above all else, to preserving its lifetime lock on an American political nobility.

Least of all, to Obama and his cohort of doctrinaire liberal true believers in monarchical, freedom-sapping, trickle-down politics.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

This Barker.... you forgot to include the following from the same article... "Policy makers are struggling to adjust to the new information. If burning fossil fuels removes greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, the planet is still threatened with severe climate change -- just a global cooling and ice age -- and efforts to cut the use of these fuels are still critical."

Problem is, we do have evidence that things are changing. By step brother who is a merchant marine for the UK this last summer sailed across a northern passage that has not been open to shipping in recent memory. The ice cap had receded far enough for his ship to leverage this short cut. We also know the antarctic sheet is breaking up.... problem is we don't know why exactly.

But global warming silliness aside, we know dumping pollutants into the air has impact. Whether it be mercury found in water supplies, acid rain, heavy ozone days... it is real. I am not worried about conditions 30 years down the road... we need to clean up todays messes....today.

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