"Pepublicans Swallow and Shurtleff are targets in a months long criminal
investigation" this was prominently placed in my opinion to stigmatize them
as Repulbicans. It should have been pointed out in that same sentence that Sim
Gill is a prominent Democrat.Actually it was several paragraphs later when this
crtical bit of information was brought out.
@BigBear. First off I thank your family for their service as I'm certain
you thank mine. Have a sister at The Pentagon and a nephew who is a SEAL.
Second. Not sure what exactly your point is? Do you? Personally, I have zero
hatred towards anyone solely based on their political affiliation rather utter
shock and disbelief that people like yourself and DN News Subscriber continue to
make excuses for these two top police officials just as perfect little sheep
would. Wake up Sir! Like my original post stated this has absolutely nothing to
do with our President, Benghazi, I.R.S. proping, Kenya, or anything else you
hope will just stick. Third. Not sure what you are referring in regards to
"Operation Choke Hold"? Possibly you could elaborate more clearly and
specifically? Fourth. "Liberals putting people out of work and closing down
businesses that support the Constitution"...Obviously that must have been
the latest sound bite on Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Riely or another bastion of
reality journalism. In closing, my suggestion was to become part of the solution
rather then the problem by repeating the same old anti Obama/liberal rhetoric.
As in calling someone a "Neo-Nazi"!
With respect for Martin Niemöller:......First they came for the
Davidians, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Davidian.Then they came for the Polygamists and I did not speak out-- Because I
was not a Polygamist.Then they came for the Republicans, and I did
not speak out-- Because I was not a Republican.Then they came
for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.Does our duty to
obey, honor and sustain the law still apply, when the law becomes the tool of
tyranny, and its enforcers instruments of cruelty?
@jimmytheliberal The very statement of "Neo Conservatives" is in itself
again what the brainwashed wants to say, because they want their way or no way.
Look I believe you have the right to freedom of speech and expression as the
same as I. However the mass majority of Liberals have such hatred towards those
who do not believe in their view points that they would take it to the extreme.
Now as a Constitutionalist the character and beliefs of the person is theirs to
own as long as it does not tread on the constitution. Now lets look at operation
Choke Hold on the second amendment companies. This is your party doing this,
those you voted in. And if you believe in putting Americans and businesses out
of work and business who support the constitution that my past family died to
fight for your very freedoms, then sir i would have to say you might just be shy
of being "Neo Nazi"
follow up to my conclusion -1. This all started with Jeremy Johnson and his
case, which btw I found that even the accused has the right to fair trial,
speedy trial and they have denied him of this, not to mention the seize and sale
of his assets before he was even convicted, and not to mention his bail for his
arrest was for over a million dollars which is in the constitution and far
exceeded the accused crime. 2. Mr Johnson makes his case of evidence and
comes up with recordings of Swallow3. He then has information about Harry
Reid, which immediately a GAG order was placed =(Suspicious) Democrat leader and
buddies of Holder and more.4 Swallow resigns, and now the case on Mr
Johnson is in the dark, and the light is now on the so called Wrong doings of
Shurtleff. Now if you think that this is all coincidence then you are
blind, this administration has done everything in its power to deflect the
American public from scandals related to them, hence the IRS probing, Benghazi,
executive orders, and recently not going to congress to make a trade for
terrorists, which is a direct violation of our American standards.
After learning more how this was treated i am more than disgusted in how they
served these warrants upon Shurtleff and his family. Here we have a man who
served his state, put away countless pedophiles and put into action ways to
catch offenders of minors, dealt with porn issues, fought banks when foreclosing
wrongly on home owners and so so much more in the past. Now if it
was me, and my kids had firearms pointed at them, i would be more than furious,
this is not just a man, nor a threat and never has been therefore Gills excuse
of "He knows how this works" Is another excuse for the fact that he is
the puppet for the AG holder. If you want to know why, i will post below after
spending hours of research on the beginning of this, the how, when, why and the
The actions taken in collecting evidence at theresidences of Mark
Shurtleff and John Swalloware repugnant. A civil society should neither
condone not accept it. Sim Gill needs to be investigated, the people
@D.N. News Subscriber...Once again my highly liberal views are continually
denied by D.N. Monitors in fear of spreading knowledge to their uniformed
masses. Anything to keep them in the dark! As soon as this story became news I
knew you would be hard at work defending these two power players in Utah's
neo-conservative Republican party. Once again yourself and the usual sheep
attempting deflection by tying in our acting President. Remove the blinders my
friends and begin thinking for yourselves rather then having someone (or an
organization) thinking for you. In closing, as I have mentioned numerous times
in retorts to your never ending nonsensical posts how about becoming part of the
solution rather then continually attacking the President. This is clearly an
ongoing problem concerning State politics and has absolutely nothing to do with
the Federal Government but you knew that already!
I find it so ironic that just like Mr. Swallow, Shurtleff tries to make his case
in the court of KSL's Doug Wright show and Conservatives come to drink from
the trough, blaming Obama, Holder, Democrats, etc.If the facts are
in Shurtleff's favor then the court of law, not the court of public
opinion, will decide his fate. Until then, since we all know what happened with
John Swallow after he repeatedly went on Doug's show and told everyone he
did nothing wrong, making your case on the public airwaves is meaningless.Although the presence of weapons and tactical gear was undeniably
intimidating, law enforcement are asked to do a job and have standard procedures
for doing that job. Knowing their lives are always at stake, I don't blame
them for taking extra precautions no matter what the situation. Ultimately, there are no reports of physical intimidation or violence against
any of the Shurtleff family. Just the discomfort of knowing their father is
under scruitiny and has been for some time now.Where there is smoke
there is fire and it would never have gotten to this stage without considerable
bipartisan recognition of that reality.
From the other reports I have read I don't understand why the FBI had to go
in full loaded with assault weapons and body armor. Couldn't they have
knocked on the door first? Why are all of our law enforcement so eager to use
maximum force. They were serving a warrant on a middle aged lawyer not a meth
I find it interesting why federal prosecutors are looking into this spending tax
dollars, while Holder is exempt from all wrong doings and corruption within the
highest power of AG offices. Yet no one will even search his home, office or
anything else because they are afraid of the consequences. If this is a country
of free speech and the right to liberty and wrongful prosecution and civil
rights from being pushed with abuse of powers, what does this say about the
leaders. We have officers killing un armed Americans, and 99% go justified, we
have politicians passing laws without the vote of the public, we are the people
by the people and United we stand,Is this not what this Country is
about anymore? We the people demand answers from Holder, or anyone else, yet a
witch hunt like this is a waste of money and time, especially when we have so
much more corruption in DC.
Finished listening to the Doug Wright show where Mark Shurtleff described the
"Gestapo" tactics used in searching his home. My personal opinion is
that Sim Gill is Eric Holders point man for the Democrat Party to inflict
damage to Republicans. The Obama Admin is getting away with so much
unconstitutional activity on a daily basis that this is just kids play to barge
into someone's house while a child is using the bathroom. We really need to
get to the bottom of this and that may mean connecting the dots of Holder's
justice dept and Sim Gill.
I agree we should get to the bottom of what is happening. It is really
necessary however to have four SWAT type officers ambush Mark Shurtleff's
teenage son and daughter at home with guns drawn while she was using the
bathroom? What threat were they expecting? You give Democrats (Sim
Gill) power and guns through the use of government and this happens. Think
Janet Reno and Elian Gonzoles for example. No wonder the Democrats want gun
control and Republicans don't.
@ MapleDonI sincerely doubt the police "stormed" either
Shurtleff's or Swallow's homes. I'm fairly certain they knocked
on the door, maybe even called as they were driving up and informed both parties
and their attorneys that they were going to serve warrants. And the warrants
were served at 4:30 in the afternoon, not exactly breaking down the
"day" (door?) whenever they feel like. And FYI, some
warrants are allowed to be served any time, day or night, if the judge issuing
the warrants allows it according to the 4th Amendment. Please remember that a
judge must sign off on the warrant before it can be served.
Going all in on my next bet - Sim running for AG as he has shown all of Utah how
much he cares about doing what is right....or is he just another ambitious
politician willing to do anything to create and grab headlines. Is there really
something to investigate or do we have another fishing trip being paid for by
the tax payers?
Welcome to the police state of Amerika. And thanks to the Deseret News for not
telling the full story regarding the storming of Shurtleff's home.Readers of course will continue to support our politsiya and their militarized
tactics.We used to be a free nation where we didn't need to
worry that the government/police would storm our homes at any time. Now we can
all live in fear of a government that wants to know everything you do at all
times and has the full right to break down your day whenever they feel like
it.The only remaining step is to take away our guns.
Some of the comments make it seem like getting a search warrant is a slam dunk.
The prosecutor just can't tell the judge that "something smells fishy
and we need a warrant". They need to make a specific allegation and show
why they think they will find evidence of the allegation if the search is
allowed. Also, thankfully judges of both parties sit on the bench in Utah and
even better they run as non-partisan so no political game playing is likely.
These search warrants come as no surprise. I'll be highly surprised if they
produce evidence of any value to the prosecution after all this time. The
television news anchors I watched last night were breathless over the whole
thing, repeating themselves endlessly. One could mistakenly have thought that
something momentous had occurred. One reporterette complained that as she and
her crew were trampling a neighboring garden and front yard, the neighbor
"deployed" sprinklers to drive them off. Gimme a break. Much ado, but
not much will come from all this.
BYU alum -"I wish we had similar efforts on a national level for
ongoing scandals and criminal dealings."What ongoing scandals
and criminal dealings?Oh you mean the scandalous behavior of
Republicans willing to do serious harm to this nation and attribute it to
@ DN Subscriber"If there are real crimes, then go for it. If it
is just a partisan witch hunt and fishing expedition by SL County Attorney Sim
Gill (not out of the question!)"Did you forget that Davis County
Attorney Troy Rawlings, a REPUBLICAN, is also investigating this matter.
Doesn't seem like so much of a witch hunt when it is a bipartisan
Because these two ran up the conservative banner they get misplaced partisan
support. This is the root of the problem. Talk the Utah talk, then commit
criminal activity and get supported by the team.
I wonder if Caroon has the same amount of confidence in Eric Holder and Obama
that he does Sam Gill.
What do they expect to find this long after the investigations have been made
public. If these guys have something to hide, I would think they have had more
than sufficient time to hide it.
BYU alu: really glad you didn't say or intimate that these charges were
shaky or politically motivated. These seem to be based on solid evidence to
obtain a search warrant. At the national level, the same standard applies: if a
judge sees evidence of wrong doing, they will issue a search warrant. If none
exists, we will continue to be treated to a continuing political dog and pony
show to try to make the other side weaker going into the fall election and the
one in 2016.
Good. Playtime is over. Time to pay the piper
Gosh, do you think these two had enough of a heads up?With all the
good ol' boys and gals they know working within Utah's Criminal
so-called justice system, how could they not have been forewarned?They had plenty of time to remove anything incriminating well before any
search was conducted.
What took so long? These guys are shrouded in suspicion, murky dealings, bad
people, all kinds of bad medicine. Their homes would likely not have any dirt,
if they were smart. But...they dont appear too smart getting to this point. I
smell big trouble here.
If there are real crimes, then go for it. If it is just a partisan witch hunt
and fishing expedition by SL County Attorney Sim Gill (not out of the question!)
then I hope they can sue their false accusers into bankruptcy.As a
previous poster alluded to, even if true, these are piddly charges compared to
the magnitude of corruption and lawlessness we see daily at the Presidential and
U.S. Attorney General level.
Payday loans have been a protected industry with the previous AGs and
legislators not protecting the public who are susceptible to use this business.
Utah doesn't allow gambling but an industry that takes from the poor and
makes rich richer. The Utah GOP even has leaders in that industry.The Feds decided long ago that there were no criminal wrongdoing in this case
with all their resources available. Why are they tagging along now?The two men involved may fight it but the one said he would not resign but
ended up doing that. Above the law is what many people in high places have said
until they lost the high place. This is not good for the state if
what the Salt Lake District attorney validates with the search leads to further
processes. What happened in April 2012 during the GOP convention with the
putting into process of John Swallow as the AG with hidden money will make other
politicians think twice about trying the same act.Who stole the
cookie from the cookie jar?
I wish we had similar efforts on a national level for ongoing scandals and