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Dick Harmon: New BYU football recruiting strategy following footsteps of Notre Dame, Penn State

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  • David Centerville, UT
    Nov. 6, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    I would think the problems BYU has with the passing game remains an O-line problem. I would propose that better recruiting, conditioning, strengthening and coaching of the O-line is #1 for BYU. #2 is the D-line. BYU is getting torched by opposing teams passing attack because BYU presents zero threat from their pass rush.

    If BYU could maintain their current levels of recruiting with the skill positions (QB, RB, receivers, DB) and linebackers, but greatly improve their O & D-line recruiting, then we would see dramatic improvements.

    But in the back of my mind, I do worry about the coach positions.

  • goodnight-goodluck S.L.C., UT
    Oct. 26, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    Don't turn the season around they'll need more than recruiting. No one wants to sign on to a loser, even for a full ride scholarship...

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Oct. 13, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    I guess BYU will plan on getting the Redlands rejects, heaven knows with their current recruiting strategy that nobody who is being recruited by anyone else will choose BYU. The arrogance of the cougar coaches during recruiting is really a shame for those people who really do like byu and want to play there.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Oct. 12, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    JustGordon: BYU has actually done very well in their recruiting. Where they need help is in the brain trust they call coaches. Last year BYU recruited some top receivers, yet that doesn't do any good when BYU has all but abandoned the forward passing game in favor of the run. If the QB is going to carry the ball all of the time, BYU won't even be able to recruit decent runners. To prove my point, in the first three games of the season EVERY first down play BYU ran was a running play. That has hardly changed in the last three games (talk about consistent play calling!) The number of pass plays over ten yards for BYU is probably less than 5% of the number of plays they have run, and lately the "other" team has run more plays than BYU has.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Oct. 12, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    I think it is a smart move, but weren't we told that this years team would be a "vast improvement" because of better receivers? Having great receivers is only good if you use them. With Bronco's "run first" mentality and inability to hold on to players like Olsen (QB), you get the feeling that BYU should have a "camp" to evaluate better coaches, IMHO.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 10, 2014 4:22 a.m.

    Something has to be done to improve the recruiting in Provo. Mediocrity is a gentle term to describe recruiting results over the last four years…confirmation of such is easy to see as injuries pile up, replacements disappoint and loses mount.

  • Utehaterforlife West Valley, UT
    Oct. 9, 2014 12:20 p.m.

    Stringer Bell
    Henderson, NV
    The only thing similar between BYU and Penn State is that their colors are blue and white.

    And the fact they are the only two schools in the country that have had basically every award you can have for players given.

  • Alpiner Alpine, UT
    Oct. 3, 2014 10:09 p.m.

    Poor choice of words by Bronco about coming to "our" camp at Redlands. Will probably get him in trouble with the NCAA. Good thing Dick is out there to publicize.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    June 4, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    "Just another humiliating loss to a so-so UW team at their bowl game..."

    LOL at your delusion spin.

    BYU lost 16-71 to a 9-4 Washington team that finished #25 in the final AP poll.

    If Washington was only "so-so", what does that say about the unranked Oregon State(6-6), unranked Arizona(7-5), unranked USC(9-4), and unranked Washington State(6-7) teams Utah lost to.

    btw, BYU is 4-5 versus Washington; Utah is 0-8.

    Before calling a team "so-so", maybe you try beating them once in your lifetime.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    June 4, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    Scoreboard is great, especially when talking local smack on these boards. But when it comes to national relevance, name recognition, etc., BYU is the winner. A little part of me died when I saw the UofU get an invite to the PAC, and then to have lost so many head-to-heads in the last several years, but I don't ever question why I'm a Cougar fan. That's the bottom line. You all like your Utes. We like our Cougars.

    Go BYU!

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 4, 2014 5:31 p.m.

    @Hedggie

    I seriously doubt letting someone sleep on a couch and/or giving them a meal will amount to sanctions. Comparing Penn State to what happens at BYU is laughable. One involved something so heinous. The other was very minor.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 4, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    "The only thing similar between BYU and Penn State is that their colors are blue and white"

    -stringer bell-

    Actually bYu will be viewed very similar once the NCAA investigation is released.

    Yes, it will be disturbing to hear when the news breaks. It will take generations for the black clouds to clear over Penn State. For bYu? think rexburg

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 4, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    ekute

    Utah's history: THREE ranked conference champions and only TWO 11+ win teams in their entire history;

    BYU's history: FOURTEEN ranked conference champions and ELEVEN 11+ win teams.

    It's quite obvious which team has a rich history of national accomplishments and which team only has a couple of highlights.

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    June 4, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    Bluto, Your comment "Ute Nation are "Posers with Patches"...that's it" was spot on and has me smiling. Thank you for your proper description. I think the PAC 10.2 may require the utes to place that on their uniforms. What a fantastic idea. You should lock up that phrase.....

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 4, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    "That's BYU's history...And the U's?"

    Beating byu.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    @Just the spun fax,

    An average is the best indicator of how the teams have been. Picking and choosing which games to include and which not to? Kind of destroys the whole notion of "average"

    LOL

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 4, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    @Ekute

    BYU hates to lose; however you twisted the quote for your own nefarious purposes. Utah playing against BYU is like Utah's superbowl. Think about it. Utah doesn't play in bowls anymore. The only games they have gotten up for the past five years have been when they played BYU. It meant that Utah could beat BYU which they usually did. What it also meant is that they typically lost other games that they had no business losing. Playing BYU has always been Utah's biggest and most important foe, hence the Utes got up for the game like it was their superbowl. If only BYU got up to the extent Utah has for the game BYU would have won those nailbiters instead of losing them.

    I know that BYU being a bigger, more established program just festers in a lot of Ute fans craws. Let it go. Its unhealthy spending all day in front of a computer screen just to make the first comment on BYU's articles. Enjoy your own team's special-ness, get out and take a breath of fresh air.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 4, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    @U-PAC

    "Utah and other big time schools"?

    Nobody beyond 2700 South would ever consider Utah a big time school.
    That is your delusion.
    Good luck with that.

    Big Time College Football programs have a Consensus National Championship, dominate their Conference for a generation or more, produce a Hall of Fame Coach, who revolutionized the game itself, produce Hall of Famers, Super Bowl and NFL MVP's and Consensus All-Americans, not to mention National Award winners i.e. Heisman, Outland, Maxwell, Walker and Baugh Trophies, to name a few.

    That's BYU's history...And the U's?

    Ute Nation are "Posers with Patches"...that's it.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 4, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    Chris B,
    It's ok, they find comfort in Utah's "average" domination. They also seem to think that's it's better to lose your "Super Bowl" than to win your "bowl".

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    June 4, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    Lonestar

    BYU hasn't beat Utah by more than a touchdown in over 18 years. 0-4, 9/12 = facts. Where does all of the superiority come from? Current players weren't even born yet during the Lavelle years of success.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 4, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    CB

    "Why did you include the average of only 14 of the last 17 games?"

    He was averaging the 14 of 17 close games , which is much more accurate in a showing a trend than using outliers.

    14 of 17 (80% of the games played) is certainly not "cherry picking"

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    @lonestar,

    Why did you include the average of only 14 of the last 17 games?

    LOL!

    Talk about cherry picking!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    u-pac

    Utah's "dominance" is only a crimson fog induced hallucination - 14 of the last 17 games (since 1997) have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, with Utah winning a slight 8 of 14 majority of those games.

    Average score in those 14 games:

    BYU 20.1, Utah 21.0

    Average margin of victory:

    BYU +4.0, Utah +4.6

    Utah's wins over BYU only seem bigger to U because BYU has once again become your bowl game.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    June 4, 2014 7:17 a.m.

    Did I just read a U-PAC endorsement of Michael Romney? And it's based on his hatred of the LDS church and obsession with BYU football? That's instant credibility right there! Welcome to the discussion, Michael, and "cheers" (cheers? hmmmm. Reminds me of my then-little girls' Harry Potter "all things British" obsession/phase of the '00s....).

    The only aspect of ND and PSU that Dick is comparing to BYU is using a recruiting tool of assisting in other program/conference camps. Is that really worthy of ridicule and derision? Especially when it was pointed out that the ute coaches have done similar camps? Kudos to Bronco for being open to trying new techniques in gaining recruiting inroads. Amazing how some or you let you hatred completely cloud your logic and reason.

    Go Cougs.

  • Mexican Ute mexico, 00
    June 3, 2014 10:49 p.m.

    As a Ute fan I have to say nice move by BYU. Hopefully Utah will do the same.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 3, 2014 6:45 p.m.

    @UPAC
    You've already posted 7 or 8 times in an vain attempt to show relevance for your Utes, while attacking BYU.
    BYU is BYU, and apparently they are still keeping you up at night.
    BYU will do things their way, always have, so fret not, they'll be just fine.
    Let's see if your Utes can win a single Conference Championship in any men's sport, in the next 10 years.
    BYU will certainly always be the first choice for LDS athletes, especially over a perennial losing cellar dweller.
    Ask Indiana, Vanderbilt or Northwestern, those are your kindred programs.
    Now where can we find the Utes on TV?

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 5:59 p.m.

    @U-Pac, Robroy said that no one cared about MR(Michael Romney) and his opinions, and I thought you weren't Michael Romney?

    Ya, no one was fooled

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    June 3, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    UPac, don't think anyone cares about MR and his opinions about sports or religion.
    Cheers.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    u-pac

    "The "Power Egos" at BYU are not relevant in BYU's current downslide?"

    Laughing out loud at the spin.

    BYU has played in a bowl every season during the Bronco era, including last season after playing a more difficult schedule than any schedule Utah has ever played prior to 2013.

    The team that is really on the downslide is Utah.

    Since 2008:

    13-0 #2/#4
    10-3 #18/#18
    10-3 ur/#23
    8-5 (4-5) unranked
    5-7 (3-6) unranked, no bowl
    5-7 (2-7) unranked, no bowl

    Apparently, the only ones who can't see the undeniable downward spiral of Utah football since Utah's peak in 2008 are those living under that crimson bubble on the hill.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    U-PAC

    The "significance issues" you think of only as negatives, are, in fact, the very traits that attract many athletes to BYU.

    ---------------

    Michael Romney

    At least BYU has managed to beat Notre Dame a couple of times, and nearly beat the Irish on their home field the same year Notre Dame played in the BCS championship game, which is more than can be said of the Utes who were demolished in their only appearance at South Bend.

    Needless to say, we'll never see the Irish visit that tiny little stadium on the hill.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    June 3, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad
    Richland, WA
    Take the camps to SEC and ACC country, they shouldn't care. We're not P5 stuff anyway, right?

    --------

    Absolutely right.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    June 3, 2014 2:26 p.m.

    Make no mistake:
    U-PAC = Michael Romney

    (Don't fool yourselves.) Welcome to the game, Buster. Nothing to hide from here. You're sports-related posts are just as welcomed as anyone else's. Don't take DN's board rules personal. We look forward to most of your comments to be on the BYU articles as well. Where else would a true Ute fan post?? ;)

    Go Cougs!

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    Upac's concern is touching. BYU will be just fine. And please explain and provide proof how it is you know that kids who have NFL aspirations will choose u over BYU.
    You are starting to sound like chris b. Maybe you are one in the same.

  • gharmons Helendale, CA
    June 3, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    BYU has to do all possible, within their standards, as the Power-5 conferences move as fast as possible to be able to buy players.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 3, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    No they are following us.

  • behonest Lake Stevens, WA
    June 3, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    Lot's of schools seem to do this, but with much less noise. It's the marketing and exposure that they have created in doing this that impresses me. I have read about this in other publications than local utah news. Solid work, congrats coaches and athletics media!

  • Michael Romney Salt Lake, UT
    June 3, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    When comparing byu to Notre Dame and Penn State, its all talk for byu. You'd think they would act like them on the field before making any comparisons, but not byu fans. Cheers!

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    June 3, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    For the naysayers like Romney and whoamisir: All I can say is that the camp will be 30 minutes away from this avid fan and his kids. Perfect way to spend a day off.

    Also, BYU doesn't have the football budget that PSU and ND do. We're not claiming the ability to match their camps. We're just doing what we can to make a difference in our recruiting efforts and hopefully grow a deeper football squad.

    BYU should definitely take advantage of its SoCal presence, including soliciting help from church member families to identify talent, both LDS and non-LDS.

    Go Cougs!

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    June 3, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    The only thing similar between BYU and Penn State is that their colors are blue and white.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 3, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    Does anybody really believe that byu participating in a camp in Southern Cal is like Penn State and Notre Dame invading SEC territory? There are camps all over the country and many schools from all over participating. Name dropping to deflect attention from current issues.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    June 3, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    Boy the P-5's are really the Power Egos. Clearly afraid of competition and creativity. What a bunch of elitists afraid of blue collar workers. The P-egos' are single handedly destroying whats good about college football.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 3, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    Very smart...

    So funny to see the elitists squirm when anyone attempts to burst their cartel.
    Go Penn St., Go Notre Dame, Go BYU.

    With 1 million Latter-Day Saints in California alone, this is rich territory for recruiting.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 3, 2014 7:04 a.m.

    whoiamsir

    "What no mention of Utah..."

    This is an article about BYU's recruiting plans, what makes U think you're even relevant to the topic?

    ----------------
    rhappahannock

    "Nice to see coach Mendenhall and BYU get out in front. Hope the camp works out well. Texas would be another great place to help with camps, and perhaps Florida one year as well. Great way to reach out to recruits."

    Couldn't agree more as BYU seeks to expand its national footprint.

  • Blue Rampage Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2014 12:46 a.m.

    I like it. Now we need a camp in Texas.

  • alphablue Provo, UT
    June 2, 2014 11:51 p.m.

    It is great to see BYU taking the opportunity to step up it's recruiting effort in Southern California.....and the idea of spreading out across the nation in Texas and Florida, Ohio, Oregon and Arizona!!!

    Unlimited opportunities for the Blue and White!

    Go Cougars!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 2, 2014 10:40 p.m.

    My first reaction to the heading was - Oh no, was there a scandal at ND I was not aware of?

    What no mention of Utah - who's coaches participated last year and this year in a similar camp in Southern California. BYU would do well to have the LDS church conduct an all ward, stake, district, area, etc football camp - chances of success would be much greater.

    And thank you, Mr. Harmon for the insightful, in-depth, reporting of the alleged violations. At least you referenced it "or not". Years of covering the BYU sports program with all the contacts and resources at your hand, your silence on the subject is unique.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    June 2, 2014 9:19 p.m.

    At this point the broken rules probably didn't amount to anything heavy, just something like sleeping on a couch. I have a hunch that BYU won't make much of a ballyhoo of it and will say something like the investigation has been completed and forwarded to the NCAA. I wouldn't be surprised if the coach/recruiter is no longer on staff.

    As far as this new recruiting technique goes, I doubt it can hurt. BYU has plenty of exposure but sometimes flat out misses recruiting players that had they been aware of may have wound up at the Y.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    June 2, 2014 9:04 p.m.

    "In other words, with Kelly and Franklin donning their respective Notre Dame and Penn State logos, caps, shirts and personalities..."

    I got really excited about BYU's and Bronco's participation right up to reading that last word. When I think about Bronco's personality the word "wooden" comes to mind. I remember that radio commercial he and Kyle Whittingham did together about donating cars for some charity organization and Bronco's reading of his lines reminded me somewhat of Rocky Balboa trying to do TV endorsement commercials in Rocky II.

    I hope he brings his A game

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    June 2, 2014 8:57 p.m.

    Nice to see coach Mendenhall and BYU get out in front. Hope the camp works out well. Texas would be another great place to help with camps, and perhaps Florida one year as well. Great way to reach out to recruits.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 2, 2014 8:21 p.m.

    Take the camps to SEC and ACC country, they shouldn't care. We're not P5 stuff anyway, right?