I would think the problems BYU has with the passing game remains an O-line
problem. I would propose that better recruiting, conditioning, strengthening
and coaching of the O-line is #1 for BYU. #2 is the D-line. BYU is getting
torched by opposing teams passing attack because BYU presents zero threat from
their pass rush.If BYU could maintain their current levels of
recruiting with the skill positions (QB, RB, receivers, DB) and linebackers, but
greatly improve their O & D-line recruiting, then we would see dramatic
improvements. But in the back of my mind, I do worry about the
Don't turn the season around they'll need more than recruiting. No one
wants to sign on to a loser, even for a full ride scholarship...
I guess BYU will plan on getting the Redlands rejects, heaven knows with their
current recruiting strategy that nobody who is being recruited by anyone else
will choose BYU. The arrogance of the cougar coaches during recruiting is really
a shame for those people who really do like byu and want to play there.
JustGordon: BYU has actually done very well in their recruiting. Where they
need help is in the brain trust they call coaches. Last year BYU recruited some
top receivers, yet that doesn't do any good when BYU has all but abandoned
the forward passing game in favor of the run. If the QB is going to carry the
ball all of the time, BYU won't even be able to recruit decent runners. To
prove my point, in the first three games of the season EVERY first down play BYU
ran was a running play. That has hardly changed in the last three games (talk
about consistent play calling!) The number of pass plays over ten yards for BYU
is probably less than 5% of the number of plays they have run, and lately the
"other" team has run more plays than BYU has.
I think it is a smart move, but weren't we told that this years team would
be a "vast improvement" because of better receivers? Having great
receivers is only good if you use them. With Bronco's "run first"
mentality and inability to hold on to players like Olsen (QB), you get the
feeling that BYU should have a "camp" to evaluate better coaches, IMHO.
Something has to be done to improve the recruiting in Provo. Mediocrity is a
gentle term to describe recruiting results over the last four
years…confirmation of such is easy to see as injuries pile up,
replacements disappoint and loses mount.
Stringer BellHenderson, NVThe only thing similar between BYU and
Penn State is that their colors are blue and white.And the fact they
are the only two schools in the country that have had basically every award you
can have for players given.
Poor choice of words by Bronco about coming to "our" camp at Redlands.
Will probably get him in trouble with the NCAA. Good thing Dick is out there to
"Just another humiliating loss to a so-so UW team at their bowl
game..."LOL at your delusion spin.BYU lost 16-71 to
a 9-4 Washington team that finished #25 in the final AP poll.If
Washington was only "so-so", what does that say about the unranked
Oregon State(6-6), unranked Arizona(7-5), unranked USC(9-4), and unranked
Washington State(6-7) teams Utah lost to.btw, BYU is 4-5 versus
Washington; Utah is 0-8.Before calling a team "so-so", maybe
you try beating them once in your lifetime.
Scoreboard is great, especially when talking local smack on these boards. But
when it comes to national relevance, name recognition, etc., BYU is the winner.
A little part of me died when I saw the UofU get an invite to the PAC, and then
to have lost so many head-to-heads in the last several years, but I don't
ever question why I'm a Cougar fan. That's the bottom line. You all
like your Utes. We like our Cougars.Go BYU!
@HedggieI seriously doubt letting someone sleep on a couch and/or
giving them a meal will amount to sanctions. Comparing Penn State to what
happens at BYU is laughable. One involved something so heinous. The other was
"The only thing similar between BYU and Penn State is that their colors are
blue and white"-stringer bell-Actually bYu will be
viewed very similar once the NCAA investigation is released.Yes, it
will be disturbing to hear when the news breaks. It will take generations for
the black clouds to clear over Penn State. For bYu? think rexburg
ekuteUtah's history: THREE ranked conference champions and only
TWO 11+ win teams in their entire history; BYU's history:
FOURTEEN ranked conference champions and ELEVEN 11+ win teams.It's quite obvious which team has a rich history of national
accomplishments and which team only has a couple of highlights.
Bluto, Your comment "Ute Nation are "Posers with
Patches"...that's it" was spot on and has me smiling. Thank you for
your proper description. I think the PAC 10.2 may require the utes to place that
on their uniforms. What a fantastic idea. You should lock up that phrase.....
"That's BYU's history...And the U's?"Beating
@Just the spun fax,An average is the best indicator of how the teams
have been. Picking and choosing which games to include and which not to? Kind
of destroys the whole notion of "average"LOL
@EkuteBYU hates to lose; however you twisted the quote for your own
nefarious purposes. Utah playing against BYU is like Utah's superbowl.
Think about it. Utah doesn't play in bowls anymore. The only games they
have gotten up for the past five years have been when they played BYU. It meant
that Utah could beat BYU which they usually did. What it also meant is that
they typically lost other games that they had no business losing. Playing BYU
has always been Utah's biggest and most important foe, hence the Utes got
up for the game like it was their superbowl. If only BYU got up to the extent
Utah has for the game BYU would have won those nailbiters instead of losing
them.I know that BYU being a bigger, more established program just
festers in a lot of Ute fans craws. Let it go. Its unhealthy spending all day
in front of a computer screen just to make the first comment on BYU's
articles. Enjoy your own team's special-ness, get out and take a breath of
@U-PAC"Utah and other big time schools"?Nobody
beyond 2700 South would ever consider Utah a big time school.That is your
delusion.Good luck with that.Big Time College Football
programs have a Consensus National Championship, dominate their Conference for a
generation or more, produce a Hall of Fame Coach, who revolutionized the game
itself, produce Hall of Famers, Super Bowl and NFL MVP's and Consensus
All-Americans, not to mention National Award winners i.e. Heisman, Outland,
Maxwell, Walker and Baugh Trophies, to name a few.That's
BYU's history...And the U's?Ute Nation are "Posers
with Patches"...that's it.
Chris B,It's ok, they find comfort in Utah's "average"
domination. They also seem to think that's it's better to lose your
"Super Bowl" than to win your "bowl".
LonestarBYU hasn't beat Utah by more than a touchdown in over
18 years. 0-4, 9/12 = facts. Where does all of the superiority come from?
Current players weren't even born yet during the Lavelle years of success.
CB"Why did you include the average of only 14 of the last 17
games?"He was averaging the 14 of 17 close games , which is much
more accurate in a showing a trend than using outliers.14 of 17 (80%
of the games played) is certainly not "cherry picking"
@lonestar,Why did you include the average of only 14 of the last 17
games?LOL!Talk about cherry picking!
u-pacUtah's "dominance" is only a crimson fog induced
hallucination - 14 of the last 17 games (since 1997) have been decided by a
touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, with Utah winning a
slight 8 of 14 majority of those games.Average score in those 14
games:BYU 20.1, Utah 21.0Average margin of victory:BYU +4.0, Utah +4.6Utah's wins over BYU only seem
bigger to U because BYU has once again become your bowl game.
Did I just read a U-PAC endorsement of Michael Romney? And it's based on
his hatred of the LDS church and obsession with BYU football? That's
instant credibility right there! Welcome to the discussion, Michael, and
"cheers" (cheers? hmmmm. Reminds me of my then-little girls'
Harry Potter "all things British" obsession/phase of the
'00s....).The only aspect of ND and PSU that Dick is comparing
to BYU is using a recruiting tool of assisting in other program/conference
camps. Is that really worthy of ridicule and derision? Especially when it was
pointed out that the ute coaches have done similar camps? Kudos to Bronco for
being open to trying new techniques in gaining recruiting inroads. Amazing how
some or you let you hatred completely cloud your logic and reason. Go Cougs.
As a Ute fan I have to say nice move by BYU. Hopefully Utah will do the same.
@UPACYou've already posted 7 or 8 times in an vain attempt to show
relevance for your Utes, while attacking BYU.BYU is BYU, and apparently
they are still keeping you up at night.BYU will do things their way,
always have, so fret not, they'll be just fine.Let's see if your
Utes can win a single Conference Championship in any men's sport, in the
next 10 years.BYU will certainly always be the first choice for LDS
athletes, especially over a perennial losing cellar dweller.Ask Indiana,
Vanderbilt or Northwestern, those are your kindred programs.Now where can
we find the Utes on TV?
@U-Pac, Robroy said that no one cared about MR(Michael Romney) and his opinions,
and I thought you weren't Michael Romney? Ya, no one was
UPac, don't think anyone cares about MR and his opinions about sports or
u-pac"The "Power Egos" at BYU are not relevant in
BYU's current downslide?"Laughing out loud at the spin.BYU has played in a bowl every season during the Bronco era, including
last season after playing a more difficult schedule than any schedule Utah has
ever played prior to 2013.The team that is really on the downslide
is Utah.Since 2008: 13-0 #2/#410-3 #18/#1810-3 ur/#238-5 (4-5) unranked5-7 (3-6) unranked, no bowl5-7
(2-7) unranked, no bowlApparently, the only ones who can't see
the undeniable downward spiral of Utah football since Utah's peak in 2008
are those living under that crimson bubble on the hill.
U-PACThe "significance issues" you think of only as
negatives, are, in fact, the very traits that attract many athletes to BYU.---------------Michael RomneyAt least BYU has
managed to beat Notre Dame a couple of times, and nearly beat the Irish on their
home field the same year Notre Dame played in the BCS championship game, which
is more than can be said of the Utes who were demolished in their only
appearance at South Bend.Needless to say, we'll never see the
Irish visit that tiny little stadium on the hill.
Y Grad / Y DadRichland, WATake the camps to SEC and ACC country,
they shouldn't care. We're not P5 stuff anyway, right?--------Absolutely right.
Make no mistake:U-PAC = Michael Romney(Don't fool
yourselves.) Welcome to the game, Buster. Nothing to hide from here. You're
sports-related posts are just as welcomed as anyone else's. Don't take
DN's board rules personal. We look forward to most of your comments to be
on the BYU articles as well. Where else would a true Ute fan post?? ;)Go Cougs!
Upac's concern is touching. BYU will be just fine. And please explain and
provide proof how it is you know that kids who have NFL aspirations will choose
u over BYU. You are starting to sound like chris b. Maybe you are one in
BYU has to do all possible, within their standards, as the Power-5 conferences
move as fast as possible to be able to buy players.
No they are following us.
Lot's of schools seem to do this, but with much less noise. It's the
marketing and exposure that they have created in doing this that impresses me. I
have read about this in other publications than local utah news. Solid work,
congrats coaches and athletics media!
When comparing byu to Notre Dame and Penn State, its all talk for byu.
You'd think they would act like them on the field before making any
comparisons, but not byu fans. Cheers!
For the naysayers like Romney and whoamisir: All I can say is that the camp will
be 30 minutes away from this avid fan and his kids. Perfect way to spend a day
off. Also, BYU doesn't have the football budget that PSU and ND
do. We're not claiming the ability to match their camps. We're just
doing what we can to make a difference in our recruiting efforts and hopefully
grow a deeper football squad. BYU should definitely take advantage
of its SoCal presence, including soliciting help from church member families to
identify talent, both LDS and non-LDS. Go Cougs!
The only thing similar between BYU and Penn State is that their colors are blue
Does anybody really believe that byu participating in a camp in Southern Cal is
like Penn State and Notre Dame invading SEC territory? There are camps all over
the country and many schools from all over participating. Name dropping to
deflect attention from current issues.
Boy the P-5's are really the Power Egos. Clearly afraid of competition and
creativity. What a bunch of elitists afraid of blue collar workers. The
P-egos' are single handedly destroying whats good about college football.
Very smart...So funny to see the elitists squirm when anyone
attempts to burst their cartel.Go Penn St., Go Notre Dame, Go BYU.With 1 million Latter-Day Saints in California alone, this is rich
territory for recruiting.
whoiamsir"What no mention of Utah..."This is an
article about BYU's recruiting plans, what makes U think you're even
relevant to the topic?----------------rhappahannock"Nice to see coach Mendenhall and BYU get out in front. Hope the camp
works out well. Texas would be another great place to help with camps, and
perhaps Florida one year as well. Great way to reach out to recruits."Couldn't agree more as BYU seeks to expand its national footprint.
I like it. Now we need a camp in Texas.
It is great to see BYU taking the opportunity to step up it's recruiting
effort in Southern California.....and the idea of spreading out across the
nation in Texas and Florida, Ohio, Oregon and Arizona!!!Unlimited
opportunities for the Blue and White! Go Cougars!
My first reaction to the heading was - Oh no, was there a scandal at ND I was
not aware of?What no mention of Utah - who's coaches
participated last year and this year in a similar camp in Southern California.
BYU would do well to have the LDS church conduct an all ward, stake, district,
area, etc football camp - chances of success would be much greater.And thank you, Mr. Harmon for the insightful, in-depth, reporting of the
alleged violations. At least you referenced it "or not". Years of
covering the BYU sports program with all the contacts and resources at your
hand, your silence on the subject is unique.
At this point the broken rules probably didn't amount to anything heavy,
just something like sleeping on a couch. I have a hunch that BYU won't
make much of a ballyhoo of it and will say something like the investigation has
been completed and forwarded to the NCAA. I wouldn't be surprised if the
coach/recruiter is no longer on staff.As far as this new recruiting
technique goes, I doubt it can hurt. BYU has plenty of exposure but sometimes
flat out misses recruiting players that had they been aware of may have wound up
at the Y.
"In other words, with Kelly and Franklin donning their respective Notre Dame
and Penn State logos, caps, shirts and personalities..."I got
really excited about BYU's and Bronco's participation right up to
reading that last word. When I think about Bronco's personality the word
"wooden" comes to mind. I remember that radio commercial he and Kyle
Whittingham did together about donating cars for some charity organization and
Bronco's reading of his lines reminded me somewhat of Rocky Balboa trying
to do TV endorsement commercials in Rocky II.I hope he brings his A
Nice to see coach Mendenhall and BYU get out in front. Hope the camp works out
well. Texas would be another great place to help with camps, and perhaps
Florida one year as well. Great way to reach out to recruits.
Take the camps to SEC and ACC country, they shouldn't care. We're not
P5 stuff anyway, right?