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Published: Tuesday, June 3 2014 8:00 a.m. MDT

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Esquire
Springville, UT

I think the President's actions will end up as not only the right thing to do, even though it is not enough, but will be approved by the people as long as they get the whole story. Sadly, the carbon energy business, along with their minions, the GOP, will do everything they can to keep us from progress, from moving forward, and from solving a serious problem. It's amazing how a country that was built on progress and innovation has been effectively impeded in recent years by traditional industries with a lot of money who are trying to protect the past instead of letting us move forward. New investment and innovation means more economic activity and jobs. Old jobs may disappear, but new ones will emerge and we will all benefit economically as well as improve the long-term quality of life for us and those who follow. Why does the GOP oppose innovation and progress? Will their short range objectives serve them, and us, in the end? Is it more selfishness and living for the moment?

Reflectere
Utah, UT

"Sadly, the carbon energy business, along with their minions, the GOP, will do everything they can to keep us from progress"

Love the loaded language here. I think the measure is a good thing - but it comes from the wrong place. This should be regulated at the local level. Environmental issues are becoming a stage from which national leaders can usurp monarch style authority across both nations and the globe. Imposing presidential sanctions against energy companies is not a solution. It is not an answer. It is crippling. We need new energy solutions - and those will not come from the Presidency. They will come from the free market.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

It will destroy the energy industry _exactly_ the same way that federal rules about seatbelts and airbags destroyed the auto industry!

And all for what? Cleaner air, cleaner water, jump-starting important new technologies, and a slowing of climate change?

The horror!

SLC guy
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm all for cleaner air in places like Utah! How great would it be to switch our power plants to cleaner sources, then switching to an electric car might actually make sense. Maybe then we could breath the air in the winter without worrying about our health and the health of our children.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

Dear Blue:

You have set up a straw man. The auto industry was not destroyed by air bags and that claim was never made. What air bags have done is make cars much more expensive thereby making it much harder for lower income people (as well as the middle class) to afford a car. I am totally in favor of air bags as an option, but forcing everyone to have them is big brother as his best.

Obama's narcissistic EPA regulations are nothing more than an attempt to please his environmentalist big donors and make himself what he believes to be a big legacy. It may not destroy the power industry, but it will make it much more expensive for low income people and will take a huge toll in our economy in general.

One may be able to live without a car, but freezing in the winter is not an option for most people.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It won't result in cleaner air. Because we are just talking about offsets. So reductions here and there are just offset by increases elsewhere (inside the US or outside).

We all know that China and other countries with growing industry sectors are increasing their CO2 output at rates that will more than offset any gains seen by shutting down American industry. So it's not going to "reduce" pollution globally.

But it may slow the growth. So that is good. But at what costs?

I don't want any Liberals whining in years to come about their kids loosing their jobs... YOU did it!

YOU sold out their future, and the possibility of any job growth in the USA.

Maybe they can move to China, or Russia, or Africa, or South America... to find jobs... Because there will most likely be drastic job CUTS in America and even more jobs LEAVING America in the coming years, as a result of these new regulations.

Remember when your son or daughter tells you their company closed or downsized and they are out of a job... the it was you who did it (and all for political dogma)

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I guess this is Obama delivering on his campaign promise that "Under my energy plan... electricity prices will naturally skyrocket"...

At least he's finally getting around to delivering on some of his promises.

Now if he will just end our racial divide (instead of adding to it each opportunity he gets)...

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Maybe Utah electricity prices won't skyrocket (at least in the beginning).

California wants to get NONE of it's electricity from coal burning plants... maybe Utah can buy the coal burning plants California built in Utah to power the air conditioners and other stuff in LA, and keep generating electricity without having to buy offsets.

We've been burning that coal for years, and suffering with the air pollution they produce, and getting none of the electricity.... we may as well get something for it.

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We should also go ahead with the Green River nuclear power plant. We have ZERO nuclear power in Utah. We will probably need at least a dozen nuclear power plants to replace our current coal and natural gas burning ones.

We also need as much wind, solar and geothermal as possible to help offset power plants that will eventually shutdown.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Obama is at war with coal - he has made this clear. I have no problem trying to clean up coal fired power plants but it MUST be done in a common sense way and not blindly with a sledge hammer. You don't burn one bridge until you have another to go to. The only power generation mechanism that can match the gigiwatt output of a coal fired plant is Nuclear. Nuclear power is clean and light years safer than it was during the 1970's. The Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository in Nevada will safely store the nuclear by-products for 10000 years. However the environmental crazies on the left only want Solar and Wind. This is like trying to replace your car engine with a little battery powered toy engine from from 5 year olds toy truck. Don't try to convince the left wing loonies of this fact however - facts aren't important to these folks....just ideology.

So YES people are going to lose their jobs at power plants and YES your local electric bill is going sky rocket. There will also be black-outs in large cities that depend on the electricty from coal fired plants as well.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"Obama's narcissistic EPA regulations are nothing more than an attempt to please his environmentalist big donors and make himself what he believes to be a big legacy." Always the charge of narcissism - where does this come from? Hannity? Beck? Limbaugh?

Did anybody watch Cosmos Sunday night? Dr. Tyson mentioned the case of Venus, whose atmosphere cannot support life because it is so hot, because of CO2 concentrations being too high.

And let me mention the case of Norfolk VA. Norfolk has a devilishly difficult situation occasioned by rising sea levels. Can any of you think of a reason why the sea level is rising? Think hard. Homes and businesses there flood routinely now. This is just a preview.

Props to President Obama for doing something which has to be done!

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Good job Libs.......now don't complain when you have brown outs that fry your big screen or your air conditioner......or when you receive notice that you can't turn on your heat or air conditioner because of a power shortage....think nothing of the power bill that will look like your Obamacare bill each month.

Obama is a disaster......can you name anything this guy has not failed at?

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Getting back to the question of this article, what are the economic consequences? It depends on what we do to substitute for the fossil fuel supplied base power load. Make no mistake about it, climate warming is a crisis and a dilemma. The whole industrial revolution and post-industrial revolution has been built on and made possible by the burning of fossil fuels, especially coal. If we don't substitute another fuel source capable of providing the base load, carbon emission control is going to be very costly indeed, for the entire world.

The 3rd world, trying to catch up, will have to have help dealing with this situation. I believe nuclear power must be substituted widely for fossil fuels. It clearly has its disadvantages, but what else are we going to do? Solar is not ready - though we should be dedicating resources to make it viable. In the meantime, to control CO2 emissions (absolutely necessary) nuclear power must substitute. There is no other alternative.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ Reflectere, since when is air pollution merely a local issue. It is impossible. And the free market, that chases the short-term profit, is not the answer to almost any regulatory issue. If you had your way, we would still have child labor.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

And the scare tactics of the right continue!

@ truth

"Good job Libs.......now don't complain when you have brown outs that fry your big screen or your air conditioner......or when you receive notice that you can't turn on your heat or air conditioner because of a power shortage....think nothing of the power bill that will look like your Obamacare bill each month."

Then maybe repub controlled companies like Rocky Mountain Power should reward instead of punishing solar panel customers? Maybe our "brilliant" legislature should reward hybrid car drivers instead of punishing them?

The repubs seem to be all about fear and obstructionism and zero about solutions. Sorry repubs, but dirty fuel isn't the answer! Come and join the rest of us in the 21st century!

Rufio
Saratoga, UT

So with the economy still in the tank and struggling to get some traction - lets do what has worked in the past so well - more government regulations.

Back in the 70's, and in almost every decade since, we hear alarmists telling us all that the end is near, acid rain or global warming, man is destroying the earth and doomsday is coming.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

The fact that the President couched the regulation of CO2 as a "health concern" is laughable! Everybody knows that CO2 is harmless to people and animals, and is beneficial to plants.

And he criticizes conservatives as "anti-science"!

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Second Irony of the Day: Our air will be cleaner. Republicans blow their stacks.

conservative scientist
Lindon, UT

If Obama really wants to fight global warming, he should have the EPA slap some serious repercussions on the nations of China and India for their carbon emissions. Perhaps if they can't abide by our U.S. laws (or don't fall under the jurisdiction of U.S. laws), then an invasion of both countries would be justified as we build a mighty U.S. empire and then other countries would fall under the laws of the U.S. and the regulations of the EPA in our righteous crusade to shrink the oceans and cool the planet. Thousands or even millions of lives lost in a war may small beans compared to the global catastrophe that is inevitable with global warming. Since the U.S. emissions cuts will have increasingly minimal effects on total global emissions (especially as the future progresses) and on global warming, why not confront the truly hard questions? How do we force the rest of the world to cut their emissions?

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

@Rufio
"acid rain"

That problem was addressed using a cap and trade system on the responsible pollutants involved.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@Thinkin\' Man
If it's so safe why don't you go sit in a room filled with CO2 for an hour and tell us how safe it is.....except the part where you would be dead.
@patriot
Ya, I remember how the liberals of Utah and Nevada threw a fit about wasted being stored in Nevada, with most of it being sent on trains that move through Utah. Patriot, it isn't a red/blue issue. Nuclear waste is a NIMBY issue.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

@ Thinkin Man

"The fact that the President couched the regulation of CO2 as a "health concern" is laughable! Everybody knows that CO2 is harmless to people and animals, and is beneficial to plants."

Ever stuck your head and tried to breathe what was coming out of your car's exhaust pipe?

Ever heard of the planet Venus?

And repubs ask why they don't have credibility on this issue? Oh Por Favor!

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